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You pay the fine or you go to court to prove 1. the beer was not yours 2. your kid was not drinking beer on said date at said time. Hell, the brand of beer he was drinking is the same as the brand you have at home, so you are responsible, so you're guilty as charged. Any more clear on how this is ridiculous? |
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I don't know where you live, but here most ISP's have dynamic IP's. Also, there is no such thing as tracing the history of an IP. Impossible to do. Even if you get the MAC address of a router, I personally don't know any site tracking the MAC address of a router. Do you know any? Same goes for the PC Micro. Also, many home users have a wireless router nowadays. Many have their Wireless router open and not protected. I don't know where you live, dude, but here 9 out of 10 of my neighbours have a Wireless connection. So, yes, it's very possible that any guy with a notebook can use that connection and download a torrent. It will definitely win the case. . |
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Best thing to do is 1. Make sure to raise your kids not to steal...apparently a lot of people have missed that one lately 2. Make sure to show them what is happening. All the publicity going around about people getting in trouble for being on pirate sites is a GREAT deterrent. You parents of young adults can start by showing them my TGP's and tell them that is where they need to be for their free porn fix and to become future PAYING customers. 3. Your teenage adult kids downloading porn and you getting nailed with a fifteen hundred dollar bill to settle it will be the LEAST of your problems with young adults. God knows I was more than a handful for my parents and grandparents from age 16 to....oh shit, I'm still a fucking handful for them and I'm damn near 50. lol |
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In case anyone wonders of my stance, I'm all for fighting piracy but this way is NOT the way. I understand copyright holders seeing it as a way of fighting back, and probably 90% of those IPs are guilty, but jeeese, what the fuck happened until innocent until proven guilty. Blackmail is not that. And porn copyright holders sending out these emails is tantamount to just that. We all know in the eyes of the average joe, pornography is taboo and that many a divorce would happen if Mrs X knew about Mr X's fetishes... hence these letters getting sent out are blackmail and shit scum like ACS:Law are pure thugs praying on this as a source of income from their clients. More shameful is if some of those clients are thinking the same way rather than genuinely believing it is combating piracy.... |
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*That* is exactly how the law should work. Not send a letter saying "We've evidence you downloaded CP. Please show up on Sunday at the prison for 1 month's detention or risk going to court, losing and facing 5 years term" |
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In your example the kid IS guilty of taking the beer from the parents house which makes the parent guilty of providing alcohol to a minor. What the parent failed to do is provide proof ( receipt etc ) that the minor bought the alcohol somewhere else which they couldn't because the kid didn't :) |
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No way they want their computer brought into court and have experts go on that hard drive and prove them guilty. The current laws have tied our hands to do much of anything to the pirate sites. But this is sending a message out there. Remember, this whole mess isn't OUR fault. We didn't steal shit. We didn't destroy the industry. We didn't teach hundreds of millions of people that they didn't need to pay for our product. We have been raped to the ground. It's time to "re-educate" people. There will be consequences for a person's actions. A pornsite is $30 a month. Less than a dollar a day. And yet they still want to steal it? It's time to take back our business. This has destroyed many people's lives already in our industry. Think of how many employees of companies have already lost their jobs. Or how many affiliates have had to walk away from making a living trying to sell porn when it's already free. Those are people's LIVES. With families who depended on them to bring home the money to pay for rent, food, etc. I have no sympathy for the people stealing. None. |
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I don't blame kids for taking drugs, I blame the dealers and those much further up. The police take a similar action, but when presented in front of them of someone doing drugs, they are obliged to take action, of course, but otherwise most of the effort is aimed higher up the pecking order. This is going in totally the opposite direction, and so will never deter anything - it will simply mean there will be a constant chain of income, since there will always be those that download stuff they got from a torrent. This is not a source of income folks. |
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Torrents are a whole different kettle of fish, since yes, they are actively seeded by those downloading, so off their radar legally. |
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It's not "professionals" It's the people who are getting nailed right now with these settlements. Matter of fact...they make it easy, they IDENTIFY themselves as the one who did it and all the little thieves on sites like pornbb say "thanks" for it. It's like picking up candy off the ground. These thieves have been so brazen about it because they thought nobody could do anything. And yes, it IS an income source. My attorney get a percentage of the win, I get the rest. That's money off my content that I was NOT getting paid for. And it's adding up nicely thank you. |
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yeeeeey.. we are going to win. Win, win.. Fuck them haters. Im Batman and you're Robin.. |
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This is out of your league brother. But glad to see you took time out from your "five minutes a day" of working that you bragged about to me to stop by and troll. :thumbsup |
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If they are using software made by whatever-that-company's-name-is for mass picking IPs on files with keywords XYZ, then no, make your profit as you want and bask in the glory that it was made through no investigation but by mass mailing generated from a computer algorithm. And to hell with those that were innocent but whose lives were wrecked. |
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The only person who would have their lives "wrecked" would be the thief who thinks he can fight it and ends up with his hard drive being examined by professionals in court. THEN he's gonna pay big time including court costs. |
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Please download the torrent circulating from their fuckup and load the emails into thunderbird and read them. This is down right deception with the $$$ profit signs reaming from the seams. Not content protection. Yes, maybe those wanting to protect their interests thought they were getting a duty, but there are at least 2 emails from content producers that clearly questioned the CEO of the validity of his sources, to which he replied "it's a tried and tested route" This lawfirm saw a niche and fucking ran with it and to hell with the false positives. 4chan picked them up in their aptly named operation. It wasn't at all to something to protect pirates, but to expose those profiting from shady practises. |
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The only solution to piracy is going to be some way of locking stuff up so it isn't shareable to start with. Chasing after something once it's already out on the internet is futile. But then i'm not convinced with the blackmail pay up or we tell your wife side of things that you actually want the free distribution to stop. Obviously you never copied music tapes or did anything naughty in your life. You're demanding compliance with the law from other people over piracy with a completely clean slate of you own on EVERY other possible offence that they might actually think is too bad for them. Quote:
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But if you think about it...why is this happening? Go to PornBB Dot Org and you'll see why my blood is boiling. This is something that people have brought down on themselves. Everybody thought it was just great to destroy OUR lives and our finances. But now that it's turning around...suddenly it's all so unfair. The only reason that an unscrupulous person would have an inroad to profit off of this is because THIEVES made the entire situation a reality in the first place. Not me. Not Paul Markham. Not anybody who actually produces pornography. We have been robbed blind. We certainly didn't want that. But I'm not gonna just stand by and not do anything. I've already tried going after the site owners. They hide behind the "safe harbor" and pretend they don't know that content is stolen while they make money off or all of our work. We couldn't get them. But going after the very people that make up the traffic sources of those pirate sites? Well...what happens if people are too scared to go to a torrent and download porn? Or too scared to go to PornBB and put up links to entire paysite rips that they've uploaded no rapidshare? I'll tell you what happens. Those sites lose their traffic and their profitability. And then they die. This is going to be a lot more effective than you might think at first glance. And the negative publicity of the whole thing is also going to open the eyes of the courts. And just may push through legislation and treaties amongst countries to finally stop copyright infringement and put an end to the whole mess. If rapidshare or megaupload were told that they were going to be blocked in the U.S. if they provide these full scenes of pornography to the "innocent children" of the U.S. for instance...you bet your ass they would clean that shit up instantly. This is the kind of thing that could bring that to pass. Enough publicity and this out of control shit will change. It would never change to HELP us of course. But to stop the outrage of the religious right when they discover that thousands and thousands of full scene porn sites are being offered for free with no restrictions to kids? Things are gonna change. |
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Mainstream x-sells are what caused the new visa and mastercard rules. NOT porn. Sales dropped to the ground when every program I tried to make a sale for has their entire members area ripped for free on megaupload or rapidshare and the links to all the scenes nicely linked up and arranged for you at porn bb by...you guessed it...surfers. The same surfers we are going after now. |
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Never did that. Never would. That would just destroy sales to something. And not only that, it's STEALING. I am very liberal in my views. I think a person should be able to do what they please as long as they aren't hurting someone else (getting high for instance, or watching porn) But a thief? I was raised to believe that stealing is wrong. I have no tolerance for stealing or people stealing or people trying to justify stealing by saying "everybody does it" |
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I'm not trying to justify anybodies behaviour. Modern attitude of accept no responsibility for anything you have done as it must be someone else's fault really pisses me off. I'm just offering a different perspective hopefully to encourage balanced thought rather than people being completely fixed on an idea in a way that sounds almost like religious zealotry. <- and before you blow your top and put me on ignore with Damien that's not supposed to be insulting. |
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In your eyes, where does the problem lie? In people ripping porn DVDs and uploading them to torrents? Or the more humble, but equally destructive uploading/seeding of movies downloaded from sites? If the first, then join the boat of the MPAA. If the second, join the "other" boat! I personally think this industry is suffering from the latter, not the former. In which case, the industry has to change how it distributes its media. I'll give you one example - I'm working with a client where media is only available via streams. And I'll tell you that stream is protected to the hilt so that only the hardcore of the hardcore can "rip" it (read screengrab of the movie as it plays). Now a member signs up, they have access to all that content during their membership. On membership cancel, they can still login and will still have access to all the content *that they viewed as a paying member*. Therfore no need to download movies - it's open for them for life, if they viewed it during their membership. However, the entire library is still available via thumbs etc, and on every chance, an upsell is shown if they try to view a movie they are not allowed to see. The re-engangement by the old member into full membership is huge. BTW, I came up with this idea myself and implemented it for the client and they are well-pleased with the results). No downloads that can be seeded, full access to the videos they wanted to see in the first place, with the benefit of upsells on content they want to see but no longer have access to as they are not an active member. Win win. And no content distribution via the torrents as it's practically impossible. If an industry wide-type of approach to porn is taken, then theft will diminish the same as your idea, but without casualties. DVD ripping however, is a whole different kettle of fish. Leave that to the MPAA. |
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Can I just vent here for a minute - put me on ignore if I offend you!
This isn't aimed at anyone at all, but like Robbie said a few posts back, x-sales were going on for years and it wasn't until the mainstream started it that visa cut it all up and put an end to it. The MPAA took a route to send out demands to old ladies and movie rippers to make good on their copyright holdings that went by the wayside as it got too much bad publicity. The adult industry seems to be waking up to take the same route, reaping the same negative attraction. Copyright protection aside, why can't we as an industry just stick to no bullshit, non-devious, honest sales marketing to achieve goals? has it really become such a bottom-scraping $-starved industry where deceptive tactics have to be implemented to earn a living? People keep saying adapt or die, but there are some who are inventing to adapt yet the industry seems to be self imploding covering those efforts. I've posted more in this and the other thread than I have in over a month, so I'll stop ranting now |
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Btw, I always wondered why more sponsors don't tap their affiliates for identifying pirate content. If you have to, offer a struggling affiliate $200 a month to comb places like pornBB and send you a daily email which could immediately go to the normal legal process (DMCA takedowns, etc). I'm sure quite a few would do it. If not struggling affiliates someone would. |
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So on average day, how much time do you spend on forums? 4-5 Hours? |
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It's either fuck around on GFY or sit there babysitting a task on my computer while I stare into space. lol |
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It's painfully obvious what happened there for any one who's in the trenches doing real industry job, producing and selling PORN and not spouting some theories that do not have any ground in real world. But OK, she's doesn't belong to our world and doesn't know what we all know. Can't really blame her. Probably she'd never have had to face the reality if that poor little sucker the boyfriend of hers who's fantasizing about being gang ass raped by a shemale police squad wan't too cheap to buy a membersip, and support people who're shooting that stuff for him, and downloaded his fix from a torrent istead. What's really amazing is that people who are buyng into this bs "oh my husband would never do it" excuse, they're posting this nonsense at the industry board, industry that made FUCKING BILLIONS selling memberships to those guys who would "never do it", never download shemale or bbw or barely legal teen porn etc etc. But of course, "never". :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh My banking account says otherwise though. |
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The answer to your questions is, NOTHING fucking happened to the innocent until proven guilty concept. They're sending them fucking LETTERS for Christ's sake, not sentences. If they're wrongly accused they can prove they're innocent in court, or just flush that letter down the toilet. |
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Robbie: Piracy sucks Everyone here: Yes Robbie: I think blackmailing people like this thread is about is a good idea Anyone sensible: No Robbie, it's not. The company is just trying to extort money from anyone. Read the emails that were leaked. Added to which, this story is about top 40 music piracy, not porn. Robbie: People that download porn are bad and I think blackmailing them is brilliant! Damian: Robbie, blackmailing people isn't good. Robbie: YOU ARE ON IGNORE YOU PIRATE Sigh. |
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Here is an eye opener for you - all people blindly pushing their agenda with holier than thou attitude end up on ignore sooner or later. borked at least tried to call for some kind of "proper investigation" before sending letters, which was kinda the voice of reason. Now your attitude is that ALL settlement letters sent by anybody, no matter how it is done and where the data is coming from, are "blackmail", because the article above says so. Millions of people will be "wrecked", their lives ruined, but here goes DamianJ, the savior of the world. |
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that is just one example.. you can add another monster of illegality like extreme-board dot org or any file sharing site. And nobody seems to be caring or taking those guys down. Even PAYPAL is processing and suporting extreme-board dot org... they have a section where a lot of people donate money via paypal on a daily basis. INCREDIBLE.. . |
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Your own posts show where your heart is. Now post how you think we can limit the damage of pirating on content owners to show you have a clue. I'm sure many hear have not heard it, so they are waiting for your knowledge. |
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a) no blaze of glory, I just think blackmailing people for profit with no agenda at all for stopping piracy is bad. You, Robbie and Paul Markham think it is good. b) I asked Robbie if he was doing blackmail letters, so I was interested to learn his approach. c) I am not wondering why I am on ignore. I am pointing out it is a rather ridiculous stance to take when someone points out why you are wrong about something. Quote:
I think sending someone that pays the bill of an IP address demanding money to settle is blackmail. I've thought that since Davenport Lyons tried it on in the UK. I think courts will too, which is why a) not a single case I know of has actually gone to court and b) there are judges that are not stupid that have realised it is blackmail. Quote:
I am yet to see anyone in this thread present an arguement that says "hiring a company to knowingly extort and blackmail for profit with no interest in stopping piracy is good because..." Feel free to finish the sentence. |
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