No silly :1orglaugh I am proposing the industry themselves is going to facilitate the goods, either through affiliates or on their own.

With the stuff out there, there is no longer a need to rip it, and the goods(Watermarked, and all pointing to the site of course) will become marketing tools.

The few out there that will take them for their own money making uses, are a minority who are easy to track and prosecute in comparison with the people the industry is going after now.

It's rather futile as well. Let me illustrate:

I am Joe Blow, and download a juicy vid that was ripped from the In the VIP member area, and I quite loved it.

The next week a attorney letter drops on my door saying that the owners of In the VIP are suing me for the illegal downloading of their stuff. Now that's a company I will certainly buy a membership from :upsidedow NOT! My sentiments would be GFY, I will never ever purchase your stuff, not even if you're the last porn provider on earth.

So not only will you be fighting a battle you can't win(See my other replies, for my reasons of thinking this), you also successfully alienated a possible buyer.

This is the same for the Music and Movie industry. Their actions are more and more causing the drop in sales.

So what exactly your "idea" is? To switch to live shows? That's some awesomely fresh and brilliant idea indeed.

sites that surfers actually want have no problem selling.

I am not a CD with a scratch on it so I won't keep repeating myself. Read my previous replies and you will find out.

I am not reinventing the wheel if the old one isn't broken. I just slightly shift focus and presto, my nemesis is now my ally and brings me sales.

In this regard you can compare it to drugs like cocaine and crack.

If it became legal today, all the pushers would be out of business.

Maybe you should read what I wrote earlier. I ALREADY TRIED THAT.
Put my vids on the biggest tube there is: Pornhub.

MILLIONS of people watching the vids for free. They are watermarked, AND Pornhub has a text link with their affiliate code to me above each vid.

SIX sales in 4 months.

THE ONLY PEOPLE WHO CAN PROFIT OFF OF PIRATE SITES ARE THE PEOPLE WHO OWN THE SITES AND SELL PRE-PAID DATING AND CAM SPOTS. AND THAT MONEY IS FACILITATED VIA THE HUGE TRAFFIC THAT COMES TO SEE THE "FREE" PORN.

All your other talk is just the same theoretical crap that gideongallery spewed.

We have all tried to figure out a way to make money via pirate sites. And it DOESN'T work. If it did, we would all be rich and hiring new employees and ramping up production.

It's just annoying as hell to keep reading guys who DO NOT produce content and DO NOT own a paysite to try and tell those of us who are in the trenches how things "work"

Your theories don't hold up against my real world experience dealing with piracy.

wolfshade, consider this: if I created a tube or torrent site dedicated to ripped live shows, let the "users" upload and share with others, then put my ads on the website to sell other products. Maybe thousands others will do the same and in the end all live shows end up available for free minutes after they are finished.
The Live Show sites will react the same way (if not, point me to one who allows it) as the producers of pictures/movies today. Would it be fair, if I just said "adapt or die", "you can't stop it". Of course not, but the logic goes both ways, right?

I don't think you get the big picture and think long enough into future here. First of all, no economy can survive if everyone are stealing from another. Second, the websites hosting torrents or fileuploads are not doing it for "free". They live off by selling ads, bandwidth and by scaring their users to buy fake privacy services. But if everyone jumps off the websites and into real free encrypted networks, then all income is lost for these websites too. Maybe that's a good thing, because it will cut off some motives and reduce the sharing. I think most producers today prefer pirates hiding underground, rather than the "business" models today.

You know what's even more annoying. YOU ASSUMING that everyone who isn't in agreement or on board with you DOESN'T produce anything or own anything.

indeed...

I'm in the trenches fighting piracy every fucking day of my life for the couple of years or so, sending thousands of DMCAs, coordinating efforts with other producers, webmasters and content protection companies etc etc. I know first hand what piracy is, and the scale of it and how hard it is to fight it within the current legal environment.

We're also actively testing new ideas for content protection - and there's one that we tried a couple of weeks ago which proved scaringly effective (no that's not encrypted streaming) and cheap and easy to implement. I'll post all the details here at GFY as soon as the beta testing period is over.

We're also working on making all the anti-piracy tools that we developed in house over the years publicly available FREE of charge, to help other producers to effectively find and take down their content from thieving sites.

See the difference? People who're doing real industry job and real fight on piracy, do always have concrete answers, unlike pro-piracy surfers spouting nonsense about "old ladies" whose feeling are hurt, or bubbling some vague theories about "getting ahead of the game" while being unable to explain wtf exactly they're talking about.

Do me a favor and shut the fuck up. You are a useless piece of crap to this forum and to this business in general. You are now number two on my ignore list. And from seeing the stupid shit you spew all over GFY, I'm probably one of the last serious people in this business to get around to putting you on ignore.

Looks like I'm helping your business "strategy" of alienating everyone in this business. Good job! You're a complete joke. Goodbye clown. I'm done with jack-asses like you. This ignore feature kicks ass!

And by the way YOU STUPID FUCKER :1orglaugh it's pretty goddamn easy to spot who does and who doesn't own a paysite by reading what they write. Unlike you, I'm actually in this business and know and talk to other paysite and program owners. Now fuck off clown.

Point proven.

I own rights to my own content. Run my own paysites. Still in this business and have been for 10 years now.

But because I don't agree with you and your tactics, I'm a stupid fucker with no business being here.

Get back to pimping out your big titted whore of wife, as you call her. :1orglaugh

You damn Pirate!!!


:1orglaugh

Please don't encourage the clowns. Some of us are deadly serious about how we make a living and the work we do. He is not.

No sir you should re-read my original reply as I was not talking about promoting your vids to to sell access to your member areas for more vids I am talking about focusing on LIVE material(Like those cam spots). Use vids to promote that.

Ergo, if Pornhub wouldn't make sales how do they make money?

For the record I have owned paysites, and I have produced content as well and my "theory" has already been proven in chatrooms, on Facebook type sites and other social places where giving the free stuff resulted in sales to the live stuff.

lmao twice

Then you would be in the wrong, and in a position where it is very profitable for the rightful owners of the content to milk you for any penny you got, as opposed to the Joe Blows they are suing now.

Different ball game and definitely a fight one can win.

But I guess in a few months when my shit is up and running we will have the answer though. I do have some content lying around I own and I intend to use it as I previously posted. We will see what it does to sales :)

get him Robbie. Tell him about your resume and how he is nothing, just a surfer. Hit him where it hurts. Go after his e-feelings.

You're free to invest your time and money into the product, then heavily watermark it and make it freely available. If you do not believe that it doesn't work, just try it and see how far it gets you.

It's been tried many times by many companies (we tried that too) and no, it doesn't work. Ot simply reread Robbie's post, it sums it up pretty well, I have nothing to add:

http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showth...9#post17551529

Oh come on Robbie, the guy is dissagreeing with your pov thats about it.

What would GFY be without entertainment like this ;)

Oh and don't get me wrong I also am serious about how we make a living. Just not agreeing with going after the end user this way. I told Michael Klien the same in public on a panel in Amsterdam.

Feel free to put me on ignore since we don't own any paysites either!

Cheers ;)))

DMCA is not fighting piracy, its and every day job of any e-goods producer and/or distributer.
WTF is coordinating etc etc... Can you please enlighten me how your etc etc is fighting piracy?

Since that is what I am working on, we will indeed see the results in a couple of months. :)

Yeah...he got me.

You shoud check out his "bio" - only a self absorbed douchebag would write something like this and put it online for people to see. He's a two bit pimp who plays in a garage band.

Robbie was born November 23rd 1961 in Florida. Began taking lap steel guitar lessons at
8 years old. Played schools and churches as a child. At age 15 picked up "standard" 6 string
guitar. In 1978 played first "professional" gig with band "AIRCREW".

1979-1982
Played clubs throughout the Tampa Fl. area and mastered the craft of entertainment.
Moved to Ft. Pierce, Fl. in 1981 to study for a college degree in music. Kept the band
AIRCREW together and began playing in Ft. Pierce, Stuart, Cocoa Beach, Delray Beach,
and surrounding areas on the East Coast of Florida.

1983-1987
Graduated from college with degree in music. In '83 signed with King Music, Inc. and
began touring the Crown Lounge and Big Daddy's bar circuit. Moved to Miami in '83 to
be in the middle of a HUGE music scene that was there at that time. In 1984 formed a
new band..."LIX". Moved to Ft. Lauderdale. That year LIX went on a 2 week tour
of PERU courtesy of CBS Records of South America.
Lix signed with K&Marz Productions and played the "A" circuit rooms from Miami to West
Palm Beach and all points in between. Left the band in 1986 and formed "D-Tour". In 1987
formed the band "Silent Partner" and signed with Fantasma Productions, Inc. and continued
to play before thousands of people 7 days a week up and down the East Coast.

1988-1993
Joined the South Carolina based band "SUBWAY" in late '88. Moved to Myrtle Beach, SC.
Subway was the number 1 band with Showtime Entertainment, Inc. and traveled the
entire country. Moved to Atlanta, GA. SUBWAY disbanded in late 1990. Moved to Columbia, SC and the remaining members including Robbie
formed a band called "THE ESSENCE" which became the houseband at the SHANGRI-LA
rock club in Columbia, SC and later took the house job at the DYNASTY rock club in
Augusta, GA.
In 1991 Robbie returned to Florida and formed a band out of Orlando, FL. called
"SWEET MERCY". After playing a couple of months in Florida working with OMNI
Entertainment, Inc. Robbie took the band to Showtime and CMC Entertainment and once
again began touring the country.
In 1993 the bottom fell out of the club scene. Drinking laws became stricter and
people started listening to Rap and stopped coming out to clubs. It had become
an industry that was no longer viable for a band or a booking agent to be able to
fill 7 days a week. So Robbie moved to Easley, SC and hooked up with local Greenville,SC
band THE OATH.

1994-1998
Played with the Oath and the band actually defied the odds and were able to work more
than just weekends! Actually began touring from Florida to Maryland at a time when most
bands were packing it in! In '98 Robbie decided that 20 years was long enough and "retired".

1999-2002
In late '99 Robbie, now fully re-charged began putting out "feelers" to see if perhaps
he might want to play again. Joined local Greenville band KID COLT. After a stint as
the house band at De Walkers in Greenville the band began playing all around the Upstate area of South Carolina. In 2002 the band re-tooled itself and was re-named "TRAILER
PARK TRASH". The band had a very successful run and was playing steadily until...
TRAGEDY BEFELL ROBBIE!
On May 12th 2002 Robbie was in his Jeep Wrangler when it flipped 7 times! Robbie's neck
was broken as well as both arms. It was uncertain whether he would be paralyzed. Robbie
spent most of the month in the hospital and on May 29th finally came home. Barely able to
walk and sporting a neck brace and two full arm casts it was a very discouraging time.
Determined to come back Robbie began going to the gym everyday and piece by piece,
little by little began putting himself back together. In July the neck brace was removed as
well as the arm casts and Robbie began seriously re-habbing his broken body. Robbie had
dropped from 205 pounds to a weak 183! But by August Robbie had miraculously re-gained
all his weight and former physique by working through the pain at the gym. In August
of 2002 Robbie defied all the odds and returned to the stage with the Oath! After performing with The Oath through November of 2002 Robbie had to regretfully step aside because of conflicts in scheduling.

2003-2008
March 2003 sees Robbie deciding to come back out and play live again! Recruiting Tony G, who was formerly of The Oath/Party of Four Band, Robbie also got Claudia for lead vocals and formed a trio with the drums and bass sequence This trio had an extremely successful run throughout the Southeast.

2008-???

Sept. 2008 Robbie finally leaves the Southeastern U.S. and moves to Las Vegas! Purchasing an old VS-2480 Roland 24 track studio which replaces his Pro Tools studio set up, Robbie begins working again on original music. And now he and Claudia-Marie are busy shooting music videos for their music and playing occassional gigs in Las Vegas.

Hey Robbie, can you name a few tubes or sites that you personally sued? Or do you just do " etc, etc" thing like the other guy?

We already do cams. And we already stream our own cam show every week all in-house with no 3rd party.

And "have owned" doesn't mean much in what we are facing today.In case you didn't notice all the studios, sites, programs, etc. cutting production, firing employees, and even going out of business And yes, I'm already doing everything you described. Been ahead of the curve on every facet. That's why I still do well.

But I'm not blind and I see how drastically decreased things are. And while doing social networking and live interaction is the only way to survive this shit on a day to day basis...the money being made is a FRACTION of what it once was in this business.

Owning a paysite a few years ago compared to what is happening right now can not be compared.

Please understand that guys like me are doing everything to monetize the current situation. And NOW we are also actively doing something about piracy. And it IS working.

Unless you are right here looking at my numbers and talking to my people then you are just theorizing what will and won't work.

I had 99% of paysite owners tell me two years ago that protecting my content "wouldn't work" too. It would be "hacked", it would "piss off my members"

Guess what? It worked. And claudia-marie.com just had the most successful month of all times this month (sept.), and that is saying something.

Meanwhile...as an affiliate to other programs...I can barely make a sale because their entire members areas are ripped.

Change is coming. One way or another. And I'm going to do everything I can to facilitate it. And your comments that insinuate I'm wasting my time are THEORETICAL. I'm the one doing it and seeing the results. You are the one making theories.

If you really want to speak with authority, then open a paysite NOW and see what happens.

I've never claimed to and never have "Sued" a site. I explained that very carefully in my posts. We are going after their surfers. Hustler led the way on that one. And they are ramping it up even more.

You need to really read my posts instead of just trying to play "gotcha"

I'm not really sure why you are even here. You told me you only work 5 minutes a day. And that you spend the rest of your day away from the computer because you're so smart and so cool. So why are you in this conversation? Oh, I know...to argue. Got ya. Boy that's smart and cool. :1orglaugh

i always speak about myself in the third person.

Awesomely hilarious resume. I love how he wrote it in the third person.

Oh it did. Worked out very well for you fella... :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&s...AAAqgQFT9BUlV8

http://www.warez-files.com/show-claudia-marie-avi.html

Done Roald you are now on ignore. And I am BEGGING you to put a redirect on your Claudia-Marie page. Send it all to your goddamn Brazzers account. Your smart ass remarks toward me have reached my limit. I told you I have no time for clowns. Now fuck off.

Im sorry if I don't spend 8 hours a day posting here. My life is sad, Robbie.

Why don't you try those links out "Fella"

You don't have a clue do ya?

So, how many "surfers" have you successfully sued?

Who's the clown?

http://tptrash.com/vegas/tptrash2010.jpg

I don't know man... you always seem to be here when I'm here. So you must. Even though you claimed that you only work 5 minutes a day. I'm doing three things at once here on my end. What are you doing besides trolling?

with Pete> did Pete fucked CM or not?

http://hotfile.com/dl/30481186/dd516...large.mpg.html

did she get drilled with big black cock?

http://hotfile.com/dl/17218159/cca7c... Dick.avi.html

fucked by a boxing teacher?

http://hotfile.com/dl/17064587/56eb0..._Ring.wmv.html

5 minues at a time. More less.

Robbie, I think you have some DMCAs to write. Get busy.

I was about to ask.
Didn't you say something about your lawyer getting a cut of settlements? You must have had at least one? .. or?

Hi nose I will now cut you off to spite my face.

Roald, we can form a club. IgnoredByRobbie.com

Moving over to good live shows will have two good effects.

One is the extra turn on that it's actually happening somewhere in the world and not just another canned scene.

The other is, if it's also done like a chat site with low price one to one web cam chat rooms it will remove one of the elements funding Tubes.

Yes in the short term this will hurt affiliates web cam sales. But the recovering of paysite sales will soon replace that.

Test....

Pete is in a scene she shot with Naughty America

The other two scenes are old ones that I originally put on the site as .wmv's in 2007 when we first opened. Those old .wmv's are the ones I send removeyourcontent after. The first year we did things the way they were always done.

Then when I saw what was happening I stopped it. Took a lot of work, research and testing. But quite frankly stopping our new scenes from being available for free almost instantly was the best thing I ever did financially.

The final straw came when we shot our first DP scene. I just KNEW it was gonna kick ass on new sales. I put it up. And ONE HOUR later it was all over the torrents and file share sites.

That's when I went to work.

And again, you can theorize this and theorize that. I'm telling you what happened.

If it didn't work...I would have done something else. I try everything and I move fast. I listen to what people say and I test it myself. I'm a one man show and a hard working quick working person.

So trying to google up our content is a joke to me. I do it everyday. Checking links, seeing what's out there. And in over 2 years there is not ONE high quality/high res version of our new vids. Not one.

If you don't think that isn't a game changer, then all I can say is that is theorizing. I see the numbers.

pwnage!

it's not even hard, is it?

gold jerry gold ...

Well, I was talking about the moral paradox, not the size of the bank account. If it's ok that A steal from B, isn't also ok that B steal from A, using same "model"?

That would be none of your business. But thanks for asking. :)

Damian you know I could make another really smart remark on his post saying to cut of our traffic but I am not. And I won't do so either, having fun with Robbie on GFY will not affect the business done ;)

About 99% of the time I completely dissagree with Robbie and his POV on how things should be done but you have to admit the guy is passionate about what he does :2 cents:

Hooray!

:glugglug

Oh Robbie. So much bullshit.
I bet you tell some funny stories when you get drunk.
You'rea true village idiot and imaginery cowboy..
Times up big guy. Got to go. Keep up the bs... I mean good work. Go get those videos removed.

Funny, I was looking at the Alexa stats the other day for myfreecams.com compared to some other pay live sites and there seems to be a connection there :)

Wow man. You aren't the brightest guy are you. "Go get those videos removed"
LOL!

Did you not comprehend anything I said? You are a lousy troll.

As far as telling you who, what, and how many people are settling...that is none of your business.

I'm on here giving out information to HELP my fellow people in this business. To give them some ideas on what can and can't be done.

Why don't you ask Larry Flynt how many have settled with Hustler? I'm using the same guys. I'm sure Larry will tell you it's none of your business either.

This is about sending a message. And your posts are directed at trying to ridicule that.

And if you ridicule the people who are actually fighting against piracy, then by default you are praising the ones who are stealing from us all even if that's not your intent.

To you this is funny trolling. Hah-hah But to me it's not funny. This is serious shit. I want every paysite to start protecting their content, and start going after thieves.

You re-educate the public on this and let them know it's risky to go to a pirate site...well then you are taking away the ONLY thing that a pirate site makes money on: the pre-paid ad spot.

And that pre-paid ad spot for cams and dating is 100% predicated on TRAFFIC. Let the media keep publicizing what is happening and we will see that traffic go WAY down.

Then we are hurting the actual sites themselves.

That's what I'm in this thread for. To try and show other paysite owners what I and some others have done and to encourage them to have a look at it too.

Not sure why you're in this thread. You haven't said one thing that was beneficial or contributes to anything. You're just yucking it up.

Cool. I suppose some people get off on that. Lots of fucked up people in this world. I've said my piece.

Now you can just repeat your negative mantras again...another reply with a "witty" comment and nothing of substance. Congrats!