Oh good, earlier you said unless I could stop piracy I should shut up and get the fuck out of the thread, so this is progress Paul!

I really cannot held responsible for your ignorance.

I'd love to read your ideas on how making better quality product will stop piracy. Please link me to that.


Yes. Obviously. ALL downloaders are 14 Paul, that is exactly the point I was making. They are all called Steve too. And like Nickelback. ALL of them.

They show me thinking that blackmailing potential customers is bad. Your posts show you think this is good.

Great. Now what?

Tell you what Paul, you explain why you think a company that sends out extortion letters solely to MAKE MONEY is a good idea. The RIAA and MPAA have given up doing it. So I would love to see what YOU know that THEY don't.

Please explain why you think this is a moral approach. Point/counterpoint.

Your challenge will be to post without bringing your personal annoyance with me into it. Just try and stick to the topic. Why ICS:Law's approach is the right approach.

Can't wait to read it.

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How much did you get so far and who paid you?

I think you're full of shit there Robbie.

My :2 cents:

I have been reading this thread for a while, as well as the one from Steve Lightspeed, and to be honest they gave me a chuckle.

IMO this is another prime example of the industry shooting themselves in the foot.

Why? Because all you are doing is creating more tech savvy users, and while you are going after the "low hanging fruit", the generations after that will use means that are harder to track, detect and pursue, eventually leading up to a point that it costs more to find them then you ever could hope to recoup.

That is if you can find them at all.

Already there are private torrents, encrypted P2P tools, networks like TOR and it gets better. Just the other day I read about a Harvard student who has a P2P protocol in the works that roams decentralized, is encrypted and will make it impossible to find the users.

So while you are now hunting the easy targets, the ones after that will become harder and harder.

You can't stop piracy, Pandora's box has opened and it is far to late to shut it.

The music industry is facing that
The movie industry is facing that
The Adult industry will have to face it also, sooner or later. RIAA is costing money, instead of making some back.

The message you want to send out isn't received in the fashion you would hope. Instead of "don't go to those sites" its going to be "Use this and that tool, and they you are invisible".

So again: You are only creating more tech savvy surfers. This will backfire over time in a MAJOR way.

IMO you can't stop it, but you can profit from it, if the vids and the pics become promotional tools for shit you can't rip or copy (Live stuff).

IMO that's the way we should be heading, so for a change Adult will be on the front lines again of innovation, instead of being a mere shadow of her former self.

Use it instead of fighting it, would be a far better option.

Count down for Robbie to call you a surfer and a pirate.
You shouldn't have used logic in this convo. Just do the praise.

In that case it would be his mistake.

The mistake of assuming I am the kind of person who gives a rats ass about the opinion of others.

If Mr X doesn't want to get caught with his pants down he had best not unbuckle his belt. Not lower them and pray no one catches him. :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

So he pirates a film and gets caught because it's porn. :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

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Will innocent people get caught up in the mess created by pirates? YES and I've already said it. That's the problem of enforcing any laws. The notion you don't enforce them to protect the innocent who might get caught up in it is STUPID.

If pirates really care let them fund the legal defense of the innocent. This will bring down rogue lawyers a lot faster than anything else. But pirates love to see the innocent accused. It gives them a reason to point the finger at those chasing them.

The fight against pirates has just started and it will be perfected in the future.

The good thing about this is the publicity it's getting. Pirates must be thinking "What if I get caught?" As it escalates the fear factor will kick in more and more. This will deter some.

For other ways to fight piracy read this. http://www.gfy.com/showthread.php?p=...4#post17551114 It will be a long fight because we started late. But if most of you want a job, you had best start fighting.

You can't rip or copy live stuff? :error

Fade out one product and push the problem on another is not going to help anyone except for those profit from it in the process. Like you said, more tech savvy surfers. :)

There are no Innocent people, everybody is guilty of something, so no argument there.

Nope, but they will develop means to protect those who use the tools themselves, see my previous reply

Don't count on it. It will get perfected, but the other way around. The industry will have a hell of a time catching them, and an even harder time pursuing them.

Don't count on it. This will speed up the process in developing secure transfers, perfect encryption methods, and will make networks like TOR more popular. We're not just late in this fight, we're too late. People don't scare that easy, as you can see when you look at the action from the Music and Movie industry. They utilize the same means, yet torrents, P2P tools, Filesharing hosts are more popular then ever. And that's without considering usenet, which is another major source.

It's a fight you cannot win, and therefore pointless. Waste of time, effort and money better spend in other more profitable ways.

Not in a fashion that you can distribute through P2P.

Of course you can hack servers, steal passwords to the live stuff, but that's a different problem entirely(And one that is a fight one can actually win)

Live or not, they will distribute the same way as today: 1 source to leak it. All he have to do is rip the live show and then make it available for others.

You can't think of anything better to do than this while you render? Wow.

Here is a list of 10 other potentially profitable things you could do instead of call everyone who disagrees with you a pirate, which frankly isn't yielding you much revenue, is it?

http://www.adultmarketing.co.uk/2010...et-more-sales/

To rip means to make a copy of it and distribute it. Until we develop an instant cloning process to clone the performer I don't see that happening. :)

What you are talking about must either be leaking passwords or recording the show.

While the first is something you can stop at the source the latter is not a live show.

Since live is the main attraction of it, I don't see the harm in ripping it. In fact if its any good it might even entice more to go see the live show :)

I don't see that as a bad thing at all, in fact if I were hosting live shows I'd be giving away recordings of it myself :D

bittorrent was a response to napster. these lawsuits will just cause the next innovation. adapt or die.

As if we have anything to loose lol. If your predictions come true, it'll simply through us back to a situation where we started a couple of months ago - rampant piracy that is completly out of control and nobody can do shit about it.

You're trying to scare us that by sueing downloaders we'll create a situation of out of control piracy that we've already been through, still are. Brilliant logic :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

I'll tell you one thing, those who never fight back, are doomed to always loose.

Webmasters should print this and hang it above their screens :thumbsup

So what you saying is that pirates downloading non-live stuff today is not interested in what they download? Nope, they want to jerk off to it. It doesn't matter who produced it, a real producer or a surfer recording, they will jerk off when they have downloaded it.

If you know a live show host allowing me to rip their shows to sell another product, let me know :upsidedow

I think you need to re-read my reply.

In my scenario it does not matter how tech savvy the surfer is, since in my scenario P2P is used for marketing rather then to hunt pirates.

So indeed if I am right(After all it is only my opinion, not fact) you will be back where you started, with less money in your pocket, due to the witch hunt and matters are worse, unless you take my approach and get ahead of the game, so indeed I find my idea rather brilliant in its simplicity :pimp

As for fighting back, I do fight back if needed, but if its clear from the start the fight is a lost cause to begin with I rather turn the tables around, think outside the box and profit from the situation. That way I win in any event. If the fight should be through a miracle successful I profit, if not I still profit. So it really is no skin of my bone either way.

Last, not trying to scare anyone, just injecting a dose of reality in the discussion. I am not thinking this up, TOR gets more popular and bigger every day, and BT more sophisticated and secure.

Here is the core of the matter, and IMO your error in thinking. Those who distribute the stuff through P2P don't do it for profit.

If you will be using it to sell stuff, that's another matter and also quite easy to track and prosecute.

That again is a fight you can win.

So apples and oranges really :)

So whats your fight besides posting on GFy.com? What have YOU done? And lets not do the lame comeback of "Well, what about you?".
What have you done ?

This is what you said: "IMO you can't stop it, but you can profit from it, if the vids and the pics become promotional tools for shit you can't rip or copy (Live stuff)."

So you are ok with A using B's production to sell his own stuff, but not the other way around?

No silly :1orglaugh I am proposing the industry themselves is going to facilitate the goods, either through affiliates or on their own.

With the stuff out there, there is no longer a need to rip it, and the goods(Watermarked, and all pointing to the site of course) will become marketing tools.

The few out there that will take them for their own money making uses, are a minority who are easy to track and prosecute in comparison with the people the industry is going after now.

It's rather futile as well. Let me illustrate:

I am Joe Blow, and download a juicy vid that was ripped from the In the VIP member area, and I quite loved it.

The next week a attorney letter drops on my door saying that the owners of In the VIP are suing me for the illegal downloading of their stuff. Now that's a company I will certainly buy a membership from :upsidedow NOT! My sentiments would be GFY, I will never ever purchase your stuff, not even if you're the last porn provider on earth.

So not only will you be fighting a battle you can't win(See my other replies, for my reasons of thinking this), you also successfully alienated a possible buyer.

This is the same for the Music and Movie industry. Their actions are more and more causing the drop in sales.

So what exactly your "idea" is? To switch to live shows? That's some awesomely fresh and brilliant idea indeed.

sites that surfers actually want have no problem selling.

I am not a CD with a scratch on it so I won't keep repeating myself. Read my previous replies and you will find out.

I am not reinventing the wheel if the old one isn't broken. I just slightly shift focus and presto, my nemesis is now my ally and brings me sales.

In this regard you can compare it to drugs like cocaine and crack.

If it became legal today, all the pushers would be out of business.

Maybe you should read what I wrote earlier. I ALREADY TRIED THAT.
Put my vids on the biggest tube there is: Pornhub.

MILLIONS of people watching the vids for free. They are watermarked, AND Pornhub has a text link with their affiliate code to me above each vid.

SIX sales in 4 months.

THE ONLY PEOPLE WHO CAN PROFIT OFF OF PIRATE SITES ARE THE PEOPLE WHO OWN THE SITES AND SELL PRE-PAID DATING AND CAM SPOTS. AND THAT MONEY IS FACILITATED VIA THE HUGE TRAFFIC THAT COMES TO SEE THE "FREE" PORN.

All your other talk is just the same theoretical crap that gideongallery spewed.

We have all tried to figure out a way to make money via pirate sites. And it DOESN'T work. If it did, we would all be rich and hiring new employees and ramping up production.

It's just annoying as hell to keep reading guys who DO NOT produce content and DO NOT own a paysite to try and tell those of us who are in the trenches how things "work"

Your theories don't hold up against my real world experience dealing with piracy.

wolfshade, consider this: if I created a tube or torrent site dedicated to ripped live shows, let the "users" upload and share with others, then put my ads on the website to sell other products. Maybe thousands others will do the same and in the end all live shows end up available for free minutes after they are finished.
The Live Show sites will react the same way (if not, point me to one who allows it) as the producers of pictures/movies today. Would it be fair, if I just said "adapt or die", "you can't stop it". Of course not, but the logic goes both ways, right?

I don't think you get the big picture and think long enough into future here. First of all, no economy can survive if everyone are stealing from another. Second, the websites hosting torrents or fileuploads are not doing it for "free". They live off by selling ads, bandwidth and by scaring their users to buy fake privacy services. But if everyone jumps off the websites and into real free encrypted networks, then all income is lost for these websites too. Maybe that's a good thing, because it will cut off some motives and reduce the sharing. I think most producers today prefer pirates hiding underground, rather than the "business" models today.

You know what's even more annoying. YOU ASSUMING that everyone who isn't in agreement or on board with you DOESN'T produce anything or own anything.

indeed...

I'm in the trenches fighting piracy every fucking day of my life for the couple of years or so, sending thousands of DMCAs, coordinating efforts with other producers, webmasters and content protection companies etc etc. I know first hand what piracy is, and the scale of it and how hard it is to fight it within the current legal environment.

We're also actively testing new ideas for content protection - and there's one that we tried a couple of weeks ago which proved scaringly effective (no that's not encrypted streaming) and cheap and easy to implement. I'll post all the details here at GFY as soon as the beta testing period is over.

We're also working on making all the anti-piracy tools that we developed in house over the years publicly available FREE of charge, to help other producers to effectively find and take down their content from thieving sites.

See the difference? People who're doing real industry job and real fight on piracy, do always have concrete answers, unlike pro-piracy surfers spouting nonsense about "old ladies" whose feeling are hurt, or bubbling some vague theories about "getting ahead of the game" while being unable to explain wtf exactly they're talking about.

Do me a favor and shut the fuck up. You are a useless piece of crap to this forum and to this business in general. You are now number two on my ignore list. And from seeing the stupid shit you spew all over GFY, I'm probably one of the last serious people in this business to get around to putting you on ignore.

Looks like I'm helping your business "strategy" of alienating everyone in this business. Good job! You're a complete joke. Goodbye clown. I'm done with jack-asses like you. This ignore feature kicks ass!

And by the way YOU STUPID FUCKER :1orglaugh it's pretty goddamn easy to spot who does and who doesn't own a paysite by reading what they write. Unlike you, I'm actually in this business and know and talk to other paysite and program owners. Now fuck off clown.

Point proven.

I own rights to my own content. Run my own paysites. Still in this business and have been for 10 years now.

But because I don't agree with you and your tactics, I'm a stupid fucker with no business being here.

Get back to pimping out your big titted whore of wife, as you call her. :1orglaugh

You damn Pirate!!!


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Please don't encourage the clowns. Some of us are deadly serious about how we make a living and the work we do. He is not.

No sir you should re-read my original reply as I was not talking about promoting your vids to to sell access to your member areas for more vids I am talking about focusing on LIVE material(Like those cam spots). Use vids to promote that.

Ergo, if Pornhub wouldn't make sales how do they make money?

For the record I have owned paysites, and I have produced content as well and my "theory" has already been proven in chatrooms, on Facebook type sites and other social places where giving the free stuff resulted in sales to the live stuff.

lmao twice

Then you would be in the wrong, and in a position where it is very profitable for the rightful owners of the content to milk you for any penny you got, as opposed to the Joe Blows they are suing now.

Different ball game and definitely a fight one can win.

But I guess in a few months when my shit is up and running we will have the answer though. I do have some content lying around I own and I intend to use it as I previously posted. We will see what it does to sales :)

get him Robbie. Tell him about your resume and how he is nothing, just a surfer. Hit him where it hurts. Go after his e-feelings.

You're free to invest your time and money into the product, then heavily watermark it and make it freely available. If you do not believe that it doesn't work, just try it and see how far it gets you.

It's been tried many times by many companies (we tried that too) and no, it doesn't work. Ot simply reread Robbie's post, it sums it up pretty well, I have nothing to add:

http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showth...9#post17551529

Oh come on Robbie, the guy is dissagreeing with your pov thats about it.

What would GFY be without entertainment like this ;)

Oh and don't get me wrong I also am serious about how we make a living. Just not agreeing with going after the end user this way. I told Michael Klien the same in public on a panel in Amsterdam.

Feel free to put me on ignore since we don't own any paysites either!

Cheers ;)))

DMCA is not fighting piracy, its and every day job of any e-goods producer and/or distributer.
WTF is coordinating etc etc... Can you please enlighten me how your etc etc is fighting piracy?