Holy shit! We Agree!!! :helpme

Well lets make it even more interesting. Over here its legal to download stuff from torrents, p2p, etc... Now what?

As for your question, in my model nobody is stealing so B can't steal from A and vice versa. :pimp

OK if you're really going to actually TRY something, go ahead, by no means I'm going to discourage you. Just do not forget to let us know if it worked :)

And it wouldn't sell on tubes and torrents? Then either the cams suck or your promos. Sorry :Oh crap

It means your previous remarks were dead wrong, and goes to show you should not just assume.

Nope not blind, just stuck in your old ways, as so many others(See Music industry, movie industry and also the adult industry)

Correction: Owning a traditional pay site does not compare. The Internet has changed, we went social and P2P the business model needs to change as well.

Temporary untill improved sharing methods kick in. I repeat it is a lost battle even before it has started.


Nope, my numbers are fine and I don't even actively promote my old shit. It just lives on through social sites that share it, and of course my 8000 torrents(Legal, my own stuff) do their thing as they continue to get seeded.

So I can speak out based on my experiences.

Again temporary, wait and see.

Hmm weird, mine come in on their own from promos years back :1orglaugh

You are right change is coming but it will be another type of change then you expect or want.

What if I promote one through those means successfully is that not essentially the same thing? Why do I have to OWN the site?

Please explain why only owning a pay site would do that. And while on that note why would I want a traditional pay site as they are obsolete and no longer work?

Aye sir! Won't be the first time I come in here with an I told you so thread :1orglaugh

What's fighting piracy in your opinion then, surfer? Throwing napalm bombs at those evil piracy nests?

Coordinating is when people work together on an issue to achieve a common goal - in terms of fighting piracy, it is letting each other know when stolen content is found, sending lots of DMCAs simultaneously to ruin some thieving rapidshare blog, exchaging ideas and various anty-piracy tools and measures etc etc.

The war on piracy is a trench war, it's a day-to-day routine, not some blitzkrieg that could be won with the one brilliant blow. There are thousands of details that need to be handled and coordinated with other people who're doing the same. The stronger coordination between various anti-piracy outfits is, the more chances are that we prevail in this war. You cannot win this war fighting alone.

Your "message" won't be heard. People will still download free porn, just as they are mainstream movies and music. It's up to you to come up with way to monetize it...if it's worth something.

http://www.thetruant.com/wp-content/.../borg-cube.jpg

This song is a few years old, but transpose a few words and it still makes sense today.

http://www.thetruant.com/wp-content/.../borg-cube.jpg

"Download This Song"
(feat. Jaret Reddick)

It's 2006, the consumer's still pissed
Won't take it anymore so I'm writing a list
Don't try to resist this paradigm shift
The music revolution cannot be dismissed
$18.98 Iggy Pop CD?
What if I can get it from my sister for free?
It's all about marketing Clive Davis, see?
If fans buy the shirt then they get the mp3
Music was a product now it is a service
Major record labels why are you trying to hurt us?
Epic's up in my face like, "Don't steal our songs Lars,"
While Sony sells the burners that are burning CD-R's
So Warner, EMI, hear me clearly
Universal Music, update your circuitry
They sue little kids downloading hit songs
They think that makes sense
When they know that it's wrong

Hey Mr. Record Man
The joke's on you
Running your label
Like it was 1992
Hey Mr. Record Man,
Your system can't compete
It's the New Artist Model
File transfer complete
Download this song!
Download this song!
Download this song!

I know I'm rhyming fast, but the message is clear
You don't need a million dollars to launch a career
If your style is unique and you practice what you preach
Minor Threat and Jello both have things to teach!
I've got G5 production, concept videos
Touring with a laptop, rocking packed shows
The old-school major deal? It makes no sense
Indentured servitude, the costs are too immense!
Their finger's in the dam but the crack keeps on growing
Can't sell bottled water when it's freely flowing
Record sales slipping, down 8 percent
Increased download sales, you can't prevent
Satellite radio and video games
Changed the terrain, it will never be same
Did you know in ten years labels won't exist?
Goodbye DVD's, and compact disks!

Hey Mr. Record Man,
What's wrong with you
Still living off your catalogue
From 1982
Hey Mr. Record Man,
Your system can't compete
It's the new artist model
File transfer complete
Download this song!
Download this song!
Download this song!

You know, we just wanted a level playing field.
You've overcharged us for music for years, and now we're
Just trying to find a fair balance. I hate to say it, but:
Welcome to the future.

Download this song!
Download this song!
Download this song!

Hey Mr. Record Man
The joke's on you
Running your label
Like it was 1992
Hey Mr. Record Man,
Your system can't compete
It's the New Artist Model
File transfer complete

We were talking about piracy, or? I don't think any countries allow piracy. Officially.

Whatever moral or law, the same should apply to both A and B, don't you think? But if I steal from another and he steals from me, we will both go down. Simply because we both have low moral and will "compete" to produce less than the other to gain most.

I agree with you there.

pretty interesting reading and discussion

1. You're kind of proving the guys point. Your site has great live social interaction and is succeeding in a dismal market. The other sites you promote, with canned content, are not.

2. Through your other posts you have made it seem like you cant find your content anywhere, only super old vids before you made the switch or low res. Who do you have to sue then? And If it really is working and "adding up nicely" why not just give a rough ballpark on how many have settled? Maybe if other producers saw real numbers thet might be inclined to join your efforts. Not saying you are, but when you toss out things like "Thats none of your business" it really seems like you're full of shit. Especially when you're so forth coming on every other aspect and have no problem providing explicit detail, including almost exact financial numbers from years past.

3. Ever think that the industry is experiencing a market correction? One of the main reasons profit is down is due to the industries low barrier of entry and the fact that porn isnt worth $30 a month? Or $60 for a new Vivid movie? I know you work hard and care about your business but sitting at home in your PJ's and uploading galleries of hot chicks getting slammed isnt worth $500k a year. Instead of bemoaning the fact that you're not making that anymore, be thankful you got in early before the market corrected itself. And be thankful that filming your wife getting slammed by strange dick is still worth $500k + apparently.

I see you're a fast learner my little russian pet. Robbie taught you well how to hurt peoples e-feeling with surfer punch line. You got me and my e-feeling hurt, and I don't know what to do.
So basically what you're saying is that DMCA is all you have done, and the rest is nothing but a big bowl of dicks and bullshit. So whats "etc , etc" ??? Please, continue. :1orglaugh

This has carried on quite a bit since last night.

More interesting reading :)
Lack of understanding of the variety of pirate sites again.


Still going to say what I said before:

Either you want the piracy to happen so you can threaten people in the same way ACS:Law do and hope for a settlement from people who would never have actually bought it in the first place. (markham is going to call me an idiot 3..2..1..)

Or you have to make stuff unshareable.

or post another thread asking eric to ban everyone who doesn't agree with you bs and pretend that it has something to do with keeping this industry pure.

You are SO going on Robbie's ignore list now man.

You don't get it, do you? If you do not think blackmailing potential customers is a good idea, then you are a pirate/surfer/fucking cunt.

Durbrain.

This thread is doing a nice job of separating the tube boys from the human beings here.

Bookmarked :thumbsup

.

You are So not going to Robbie's B-day party either.

http://www.bimbolinks.com/pics/upset.gif

Actually I just see it as a possible business model but have no idea how well it would work.

Leak your shit.Chase anybody that downloads it. Threaten to tell their wife/girlfriend/mum/dog. Hope a large enough % of those threatened pay up to make it profitable.

That's exactly what Davenport Lyons/Digiprotect did. Made a killing.

The "legal blackmail" business: inside a P2P settlement factory

http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/n...r-factory.ars/

With all the exposure ACS:Law have got recently i'm not sure it will be a viable way of doing things for much longer. Just needs enough people to know they need to say fuck-off as it won't go to court and then it will fizzle out.

it's come out that if people refuse to pay they don't take them to court anyway because of the expense. once that gets well known the revenue stream is gone.

Excellent article - props to ars

-edit and of course to the agent for sharing his find

The person that wrote that article is clearly a pirate.

:1orglaugh

It will make not the slightest bit of difference though! The new wave army will still plod on saying that it will work for them since it's fought in the US that has minimum statutory damages...

There is no sense in reason.

Not sure what you're saying here. I looked at their stats on Alexa just now.

http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/myfreecams.com#

Compared them with a few others and for traffic they do well against many except Live Jasmin of the ones I compared them with. Interesting to see how well they are climbing.

http://torrentfreak.com/uk-isps-succ...ndover-101004/

for those of you who argued (paul and others) that security issues were not going to be a big deal .

the lack of security was used as an "excuse" by an isp to avoid turning over the info.

expect more isp to follow suite, and demand massive settlements as a condition of turning over the identity.

GidiotGallery gets his "unbiased" reports from torrentfreak. :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Bitch, you need to get the fuck out of here because thedoc OWNS you. You should just leave with your tail between your legs because thedoc showed the world that you are full of shit and can't back up anything you claim.

Either write thedoc the email with the big mystery revenue stream that only gideongallery knows how to do...or be branded a little BITCH for life.
:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

oh there we go making up words and misrepresenting them as my quotes

what a scum bag

never said it was unbiased, it just happens to be the first one on the list google gives

http://www.google.ca/search?q=UK+ISP...KC8gbIhL i7Aw



but the facts reported that an isp used this leak of data as a justification to refuse turning over anymore data is true, irregardless of who reports it.

btw your buddy doc said it wasn't going to be a big deal, while i argued it would be (just another example of me being right)


if you would prefer the article written by a different prespective

http://www.ispreview.co.uk/story/201...mail-leak.html

hell i think there is a downfall parody of this news you can watch

Well, at least you are admitting that you are thedocs BITCH. Now get the fuck off of GFY and go get a job. Your parents are sick of having to support a middle aged man who steals everything off the internet.

YOU BELONG TO THEDOC NOW BITCH
:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh