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wolfshade 09-29-2010 08:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Nautilus (Post 17551718)
You're free to invest your time and money into the product, then heavily watermark it and make it freely available. If you do not believe that it doesn't work, just try it and see how far it gets you.

It's been tried many times by many companies (we tried that too) and no, it doesn't work. Ot simply reread Robbie's post, it sums it up pretty well, I have nothing to add:

http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showth...9#post17551529

Since that is what I am working on, we will indeed see the results in a couple of months. :)

candyflip 09-29-2010 08:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Fbomb (Post 17551713)
get him Robbie. Tell him about your resume and how he is nothing, just a surfer. Hit him where it hurts. Go after his e-feelings.

Yeah...he got me.

You shoud check out his "bio" - only a self absorbed douchebag would write something like this and put it online for people to see. He's a two bit pimp who plays in a garage band.

Robbie was born November 23rd 1961 in Florida. Began taking lap steel guitar lessons at
8 years old. Played schools and churches as a child. At age 15 picked up "standard" 6 string
guitar. In 1978 played first "professional" gig with band "AIRCREW".

1979-1982
Played clubs throughout the Tampa Fl. area and mastered the craft of entertainment.
Moved to Ft. Pierce, Fl. in 1981 to study for a college degree in music. Kept the band
AIRCREW together and began playing in Ft. Pierce, Stuart, Cocoa Beach, Delray Beach,
and surrounding areas on the East Coast of Florida.

1983-1987
Graduated from college with degree in music. In '83 signed with King Music, Inc. and
began touring the Crown Lounge and Big Daddy's bar circuit. Moved to Miami in '83 to
be in the middle of a HUGE music scene that was there at that time. In 1984 formed a
new band..."LIX". Moved to Ft. Lauderdale. That year LIX went on a 2 week tour
of PERU courtesy of CBS Records of South America.
Lix signed with K&Marz Productions and played the "A" circuit rooms from Miami to West
Palm Beach and all points in between. Left the band in 1986 and formed "D-Tour". In 1987
formed the band "Silent Partner" and signed with Fantasma Productions, Inc. and continued
to play before thousands of people 7 days a week up and down the East Coast.

1988-1993
Joined the South Carolina based band "SUBWAY" in late '88. Moved to Myrtle Beach, SC.
Subway was the number 1 band with Showtime Entertainment, Inc. and traveled the
entire country. Moved to Atlanta, GA. SUBWAY disbanded in late 1990. Moved to Columbia, SC and the remaining members including Robbie
formed a band called "THE ESSENCE" which became the houseband at the SHANGRI-LA
rock club in Columbia, SC and later took the house job at the DYNASTY rock club in
Augusta, GA.
In 1991 Robbie returned to Florida and formed a band out of Orlando, FL. called
"SWEET MERCY". After playing a couple of months in Florida working with OMNI
Entertainment, Inc. Robbie took the band to Showtime and CMC Entertainment and once
again began touring the country.
In 1993 the bottom fell out of the club scene. Drinking laws became stricter and
people started listening to Rap and stopped coming out to clubs. It had become
an industry that was no longer viable for a band or a booking agent to be able to
fill 7 days a week. So Robbie moved to Easley, SC and hooked up with local Greenville,SC
band THE OATH.

1994-1998
Played with the Oath and the band actually defied the odds and were able to work more
than just weekends! Actually began touring from Florida to Maryland at a time when most
bands were packing it in! In '98 Robbie decided that 20 years was long enough and "retired".

1999-2002
In late '99 Robbie, now fully re-charged began putting out "feelers" to see if perhaps
he might want to play again. Joined local Greenville band KID COLT. After a stint as
the house band at De Walkers in Greenville the band began playing all around the Upstate area of South Carolina. In 2002 the band re-tooled itself and was re-named "TRAILER
PARK TRASH". The band had a very successful run and was playing steadily until...
TRAGEDY BEFELL ROBBIE!
On May 12th 2002 Robbie was in his Jeep Wrangler when it flipped 7 times! Robbie's neck
was broken as well as both arms. It was uncertain whether he would be paralyzed. Robbie
spent most of the month in the hospital and on May 29th finally came home. Barely able to
walk and sporting a neck brace and two full arm casts it was a very discouraging time.
Determined to come back Robbie began going to the gym everyday and piece by piece,
little by little began putting himself back together. In July the neck brace was removed as
well as the arm casts and Robbie began seriously re-habbing his broken body. Robbie had
dropped from 205 pounds to a weak 183! But by August Robbie had miraculously re-gained
all his weight and former physique by working through the pain at the gym. In August
of 2002 Robbie defied all the odds and returned to the stage with the Oath! After performing with The Oath through November of 2002 Robbie had to regretfully step aside because of conflicts in scheduling.

2003-2008
March 2003 sees Robbie deciding to come back out and play live again! Recruiting Tony G, who was formerly of The Oath/Party of Four Band, Robbie also got Claudia for lead vocals and formed a trio with the drums and bass sequence This trio had an extremely successful run throughout the Southeast.

2008-???

Sept. 2008 Robbie finally leaves the Southeastern U.S. and moves to Las Vegas! Purchasing an old VS-2480 Roland 24 track studio which replaces his Pro Tools studio set up, Robbie begins working again on original music. And now he and Claudia-Marie are busy shooting music videos for their music and playing occassional gigs in Las Vegas.

Fbomb - BANNED FOR LIFE 09-29-2010 08:41 AM

Hey Robbie, can you name a few tubes or sites that you personally sued? Or do you just do " etc, etc" thing like the other guy?

Robbie 09-29-2010 08:42 AM

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Originally Posted by wolfshade (Post 17551688)
No sir you should re-read my original reply as I was not talking about promoting your vids to to sell access to your member areas for more vids I am talking about focusing on LIVE material(Like those cam spots). Use vids to promote that.

Ergo, if Pornhub wouldn't make sales how do they make money?

For the record I have owned paysites, and I have produced content as well and my "theory" has already been proven in chatrooms, on Facebook type sites and other social places where giving the free stuff resulted in sales to the live stuff.

We already do cams. And we already stream our own cam show every week all in-house with no 3rd party.

And "have owned" doesn't mean much in what we are facing today.In case you didn't notice all the studios, sites, programs, etc. cutting production, firing employees, and even going out of business And yes, I'm already doing everything you described. Been ahead of the curve on every facet. That's why I still do well.

But I'm not blind and I see how drastically decreased things are. And while doing social networking and live interaction is the only way to survive this shit on a day to day basis...the money being made is a FRACTION of what it once was in this business.

Owning a paysite a few years ago compared to what is happening right now can not be compared.

Please understand that guys like me are doing everything to monetize the current situation. And NOW we are also actively doing something about piracy. And it IS working.

Unless you are right here looking at my numbers and talking to my people then you are just theorizing what will and won't work.

I had 99% of paysite owners tell me two years ago that protecting my content "wouldn't work" too. It would be "hacked", it would "piss off my members"

Guess what? It worked. And claudia-marie.com just had the most successful month of all times this month (sept.), and that is saying something.

Meanwhile...as an affiliate to other programs...I can barely make a sale because their entire members areas are ripped.

Change is coming. One way or another. And I'm going to do everything I can to facilitate it. And your comments that insinuate I'm wasting my time are THEORETICAL. I'm the one doing it and seeing the results. You are the one making theories.

If you really want to speak with authority, then open a paysite NOW and see what happens.

Robbie 09-29-2010 08:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Fbomb (Post 17551734)
Hey Robbie, can you name a few tubes or sites that you personally sued? Or do you just do " etc, etc" thing like the other guy?

I've never claimed to and never have "Sued" a site. I explained that very carefully in my posts. We are going after their surfers. Hustler led the way on that one. And they are ramping it up even more.

You need to really read my posts instead of just trying to play "gotcha"

I'm not really sure why you are even here. You told me you only work 5 minutes a day. And that you spend the rest of your day away from the computer because you're so smart and so cool. So why are you in this conversation? Oh, I know...to argue. Got ya. Boy that's smart and cool. :1orglaugh

quiet 09-29-2010 08:46 AM

i always speak about myself in the third person.

DamianJ 09-29-2010 08:46 AM

Awesomely hilarious resume. I love how he wrote it in the third person.

Fbomb - BANNED FOR LIFE 09-29-2010 08:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Robbie (Post 17551737)
Guess what? It worked. And claudia-marie.com just had the most successful month of all times this month (sept.), and that is saying something.

Oh it did. Worked out very well for you fella... :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&s...AAAqgQFT9BUlV8

http://www.warez-files.com/show-claudia-marie-avi.html

Robbie 09-29-2010 08:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Roald (Post 17551721)
Oh come on Robbie, the guy is dissagreeing with your pov thats about it.

What would GFY be without entertainment like this ;)

Oh and don't get me wrong I also am serious about how we make a living. Just not agreeing with going after the end user this way. I told Michael Klien the same in public on a panel in Amsterdam.

Feel free to put me on ignore since we don't own any paysites either!

Cheers ;)))

Done Roald you are now on ignore. And I am BEGGING you to put a redirect on your Claudia-Marie page. Send it all to your goddamn Brazzers account. Your smart ass remarks toward me have reached my limit. I told you I have no time for clowns. Now fuck off.

Fbomb - BANNED FOR LIFE 09-29-2010 08:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Robbie (Post 17551749)
I've never claimed to and never have "Sued" a site. I explained that very carefully in my posts. We are going after their surfers. Hustler led the way on that one. And they are ramping it up even more.

You need to really read my posts instead of just trying to play "gotcha"

I'm not really sure why you are even here. You told me you only work 5 minutes a day. And that you spend the rest of your day away from the computer because you're so smart and so cool. So why are you in this conversation? Oh, I know...to argue. Got ya. Boy that's smart and cool. :1orglaugh

Im sorry if I don't spend 8 hours a day posting here. My life is sad, Robbie.

Robbie 09-29-2010 08:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Fbomb (Post 17551761)
Oh it did. Worked out very well for you fella... :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&s...AAAqgQFT9BUlV8

http://www.warez-files.com/show-claudia-marie-avi.html

Why don't you try those links out "Fella"

You don't have a clue do ya?

DamianJ 09-29-2010 08:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Robbie (Post 17551749)
I've never claimed to and never have "Sued" a site. I explained that very carefully in my posts. We are going after their surfers.

So, how many "surfers" have you successfully sued?

candyflip 09-29-2010 08:50 AM

Who's the clown?

http://tptrash.com/vegas/tptrash2010.jpg

Robbie 09-29-2010 08:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Fbomb (Post 17551766)
Im sorry if I don't spend 8 hours a day posting here. My life is sad, Robbie.

I don't know man... you always seem to be here when I'm here. So you must. Even though you claimed that you only work 5 minutes a day. I'm doing three things at once here on my end. What are you doing besides trolling?

Fbomb - BANNED FOR LIFE 09-29-2010 08:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Robbie (Post 17551767)
Why don't you try those links out "Fella"

You don't have a clue do ya?

with Pete> did Pete fucked CM or not?

http://hotfile.com/dl/30481186/dd516...large.mpg.html

did she get drilled with big black cock?

http://hotfile.com/dl/17218159/cca7c... Dick.avi.html

fucked by a boxing teacher?

http://hotfile.com/dl/17064587/56eb0..._Ring.wmv.html

Fbomb - BANNED FOR LIFE 09-29-2010 08:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Robbie (Post 17551774)
I don't know man... you always seem to be here when I'm here. So you must. Even though you claimed that you only work 5 minutes a day. I'm doing three things at once here on my end. What are you doing besides trolling?

5 minues at a time. More less.

Robbie, I think you have some DMCAs to write. Get busy.

Fbomb - BANNED FOR LIFE 09-29-2010 08:54 AM

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Originally Posted by DamianJ (Post 17551769)
So, how many "surfers" have you successfully sued?

I was about to ask.
Didn't you say something about your lawyer getting a cut of settlements? You must have had at least one? .. or?

DamianJ 09-29-2010 08:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Robbie (Post 17551762)
Done Roald you are now on ignore. And I am BEGGING you to put a redirect on your Claudia-Marie page. Send it all to your goddamn Brazzers account. Your smart ass remarks toward me have reached my limit. I told you I have no time for clowns. Now fuck off.

Hi nose I will now cut you off to spite my face.

Roald, we can form a club. IgnoredByRobbie.com

Paul Markham 09-29-2010 08:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Dirty Dane (Post 17551205)
You can't rip or copy live stuff? :error

Fade out one product and push the problem on another is not going to help anyone except for those profit from it in the process. Like you said, more tech savvy surfers. :)

Moving over to good live shows will have two good effects.

One is the extra turn on that it's actually happening somewhere in the world and not just another canned scene.

The other is, if it's also done like a chat site with low price one to one web cam chat rooms it will remove one of the elements funding Tubes.

Yes in the short term this will hurt affiliates web cam sales. But the recovering of paysite sales will soon replace that.

Roald 09-29-2010 08:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Robbie (Post 17551762)
Done Roald you are now on ignore. And I am BEGGING you to put a redirect on your Claudia-Marie page. Send it all to your goddamn Brazzers account. Your smart ass remarks toward me have reached my limit. I told you I have no time for clowns. Now fuck off.

Test....

Robbie 09-29-2010 08:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Fbomb (Post 17551781)
with Pete> did Pete fucked CM or not?

http://hotfile.com/dl/30481186/dd516...large.mpg.html

did she get drilled with big black cock?

http://hotfile.com/dl/17218159/cca7c... Dick.avi.html

fucked by a boxing teacher?

http://hotfile.com/dl/17064587/56eb0..._Ring.wmv.html

Pete is in a scene she shot with Naughty America

The other two scenes are old ones that I originally put on the site as .wmv's in 2007 when we first opened. Those old .wmv's are the ones I send removeyourcontent after. The first year we did things the way they were always done.

Then when I saw what was happening I stopped it. Took a lot of work, research and testing. But quite frankly stopping our new scenes from being available for free almost instantly was the best thing I ever did financially.

The final straw came when we shot our first DP scene. I just KNEW it was gonna kick ass on new sales. I put it up. And ONE HOUR later it was all over the torrents and file share sites.

That's when I went to work.

And again, you can theorize this and theorize that. I'm telling you what happened.

If it didn't work...I would have done something else. I try everything and I move fast. I listen to what people say and I test it myself. I'm a one man show and a hard working quick working person.

So trying to google up our content is a joke to me. I do it everyday. Checking links, seeing what's out there. And in over 2 years there is not ONE high quality/high res version of our new vids. Not one.

If you don't think that isn't a game changer, then all I can say is that is theorizing. I see the numbers.

DamianJ 09-29-2010 08:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Fbomb (Post 17551781)
with Pete> did Pete fucked CM or not?

http://hotfile.com/dl/30481186/dd516...large.mpg.html

did she get drilled with big black cock?

http://hotfile.com/dl/17218159/cca7c... Dick.avi.html

fucked by a boxing teacher?

http://hotfile.com/dl/17064587/56eb0..._Ring.wmv.html

pwnage!

it's not even hard, is it?

Agent 488 09-29-2010 09:01 AM

gold jerry gold ...

Dirty Dane 09-29-2010 09:01 AM

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Originally Posted by wolfshade (Post 17551707)
Then you would be in the wrong, and in a position where it is very profitable for the rightful owners of the content to milk you for any penny you got

Well, I was talking about the moral paradox, not the size of the bank account. If it's ok that A steal from B, isn't also ok that B steal from A, using same "model"?

Robbie 09-29-2010 09:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Fbomb (Post 17551790)
I was about to ask.
Didn't you say something about your lawyer getting a cut of settlements? You must have had at least one? .. or?

That would be none of your business. But thanks for asking. :)

Roald 09-29-2010 09:04 AM

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Originally Posted by DamianJ (Post 17551794)
Hi nose I will now cut you off to spite my face.

Roald, we can form a club. IgnoredByRobbie.com

Damian you know I could make another really smart remark on his post saying to cut of our traffic but I am not. And I won't do so either, having fun with Robbie on GFY will not affect the business done ;)

About 99% of the time I completely dissagree with Robbie and his POV on how things should be done but you have to admit the guy is passionate about what he does :2 cents:

Hooray!

quiet 09-29-2010 09:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Roald (Post 17551807)
Test....

:glugglug

Fbomb - BANNED FOR LIFE 09-29-2010 09:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Robbie (Post 17551821)
That would be none of your business. But thanks for asking. :)

Oh Robbie. So much bullshit.
I bet you tell some funny stories when you get drunk.
You'rea true village idiot and imaginery cowboy..
Times up big guy. Got to go. Keep up the bs... I mean good work. Go get those videos removed.

Dirty Dane 09-29-2010 09:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 17551801)
The other is, if it's also done like a chat site with low price one to one web cam chat rooms it will remove one of the elements funding Tubes.

Yes in the short term this will hurt affiliates web cam sales. But the recovering of paysite sales will soon replace that.

Funny, I was looking at the Alexa stats the other day for myfreecams.com compared to some other pay live sites and there seems to be a connection there :)

Robbie 09-29-2010 09:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Fbomb (Post 17551852)
Oh Robbie. So much bullshit.
I bet you tell some funny stories when you get drunk.
You'rea true village idiot and imaginery cowboy..
Times up big guy. Got to go. Keep up the bs... I mean good work. Go get those videos removed.

Wow man. You aren't the brightest guy are you. "Go get those videos removed"
LOL!

Did you not comprehend anything I said? You are a lousy troll.

As far as telling you who, what, and how many people are settling...that is none of your business.

I'm on here giving out information to HELP my fellow people in this business. To give them some ideas on what can and can't be done.

Why don't you ask Larry Flynt how many have settled with Hustler? I'm using the same guys. I'm sure Larry will tell you it's none of your business either.

This is about sending a message. And your posts are directed at trying to ridicule that.

And if you ridicule the people who are actually fighting against piracy, then by default you are praising the ones who are stealing from us all even if that's not your intent.

To you this is funny trolling. Hah-hah But to me it's not funny. This is serious shit. I want every paysite to start protecting their content, and start going after thieves.

You re-educate the public on this and let them know it's risky to go to a pirate site...well then you are taking away the ONLY thing that a pirate site makes money on: the pre-paid ad spot.

And that pre-paid ad spot for cams and dating is 100% predicated on TRAFFIC. Let the media keep publicizing what is happening and we will see that traffic go WAY down.

Then we are hurting the actual sites themselves.

That's what I'm in this thread for. To try and show other paysite owners what I and some others have done and to encourage them to have a look at it too.

Not sure why you're in this thread. You haven't said one thing that was beneficial or contributes to anything. You're just yucking it up.

Cool. I suppose some people get off on that. Lots of fucked up people in this world. I've said my piece.

Now you can just repeat your negative mantras again...another reply with a "witty" comment and nothing of substance. Congrats!

wolfshade 09-29-2010 09:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 17551801)
Moving over to good live shows will have two good effects.

One is the extra turn on that it's actually happening somewhere in the world and not just another canned scene.

The other is, if it's also done like a chat site with low price one to one web cam chat rooms it will remove one of the elements funding Tubes.

Yes in the short term this will hurt affiliates web cam sales. But the recovering of paysite sales will soon replace that.

Holy shit! We Agree!!! :helpme

wolfshade 09-29-2010 09:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Dirty Dane (Post 17551819)
Well, I was talking about the moral paradox, not the size of the bank account. If it's ok that A steal from B, isn't also ok that B steal from A, using same "model"?

Well lets make it even more interesting. Over here its legal to download stuff from torrents, p2p, etc... Now what?

As for your question, in my model nobody is stealing so B can't steal from A and vice versa. :pimp

Nautilus 09-29-2010 09:36 AM

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Originally Posted by wolfshade (Post 17551731)
Since that is what I am working on, we will indeed see the results in a couple of months. :)

OK if you're really going to actually TRY something, go ahead, by no means I'm going to discourage you. Just do not forget to let us know if it worked :)

wolfshade 09-29-2010 09:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Robbie (Post 17551737)
We already do cams. And we already stream our own cam show every week all in-house with no 3rd party.

And it wouldn't sell on tubes and torrents? Then either the cams suck or your promos. Sorry :Oh crap

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And "have owned" doesn't mean much in what we are facing today.In case you didn't notice all the studios, sites, programs, etc. cutting production, firing employees, and even going out of business And yes, I'm already doing everything you described. Been ahead of the curve on every facet. That's why I still do well.
It means your previous remarks were dead wrong, and goes to show you should not just assume.

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But I'm not blind and I see how drastically decreased things are. And while doing social networking and live interaction is the only way to survive this shit on a day to day basis...the money being made is a FRACTION of what it once was in this business.
Nope not blind, just stuck in your old ways, as so many others(See Music industry, movie industry and also the adult industry)

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Owning a paysite a few years ago compared to what is happening right now can not be compared.
Correction: Owning a traditional pay site does not compare. The Internet has changed, we went social and P2P the business model needs to change as well.

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Please understand that guys like me are doing everything to monetize the current situation. And NOW we are also actively doing something about piracy. And it IS working.
Temporary untill improved sharing methods kick in. I repeat it is a lost battle even before it has started.


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Unless you are right here looking at my numbers and talking to my people then you are just theorizing what will and won't work.
Nope, my numbers are fine and I don't even actively promote my old shit. It just lives on through social sites that share it, and of course my 8000 torrents(Legal, my own stuff) do their thing as they continue to get seeded.

So I can speak out based on my experiences.

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I had 99% of paysite owners tell me two years ago that protecting my content "wouldn't work" too. It would be "hacked", it would "piss off my members"

Guess what? It worked. And claudia-marie.com just had the most successful month of all times this month (sept.), and that is saying something.
Again temporary, wait and see.

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Meanwhile...as an affiliate to other programs...I can barely make a sale because their entire members areas are ripped.
Hmm weird, mine come in on their own from promos years back :1orglaugh

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Change is coming. One way or another. And I'm going to do everything I can to facilitate it. And your comments that insinuate I'm wasting my time are THEORETICAL. I'm the one doing it and seeing the results. You are the one making theories.
You are right change is coming but it will be another type of change then you expect or want.

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If you really want to speak with authority, then open a paysite NOW and see what happens.
What if I promote one through those means successfully is that not essentially the same thing? Why do I have to OWN the site?

Please explain why only owning a pay site would do that. And while on that note why would I want a traditional pay site as they are obsolete and no longer work?

wolfshade 09-29-2010 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Nautilus (Post 17551924)
OK if you're really going to actually TRY something, go ahead, by no means I'm going to discourage you. Just do not forget to let us know if it worked :)

Aye sir! Won't be the first time I come in here with an I told you so thread :1orglaugh

Nautilus 09-29-2010 09:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Fbomb (Post 17551725)
DMCA is not fighting piracy, its and every day job of any e-goods producer and/or distributer.
WTF is coordinating etc etc... Can you please enlighten me how your etc etc is fighting piracy?

What's fighting piracy in your opinion then, surfer? Throwing napalm bombs at those evil piracy nests?

Coordinating is when people work together on an issue to achieve a common goal - in terms of fighting piracy, it is letting each other know when stolen content is found, sending lots of DMCAs simultaneously to ruin some thieving rapidshare blog, exchaging ideas and various anty-piracy tools and measures etc etc.

The war on piracy is a trench war, it's a day-to-day routine, not some blitzkrieg that could be won with the one brilliant blow. There are thousands of details that need to be handled and coordinated with other people who're doing the same. The stronger coordination between various anti-piracy outfits is, the more chances are that we prevail in this war. You cannot win this war fighting alone.

candyflip 09-29-2010 09:54 AM

Your "message" won't be heard. People will still download free porn, just as they are mainstream movies and music. It's up to you to come up with way to monetize it...if it's worth something.

http://www.thetruant.com/wp-content/.../borg-cube.jpg

This song is a few years old, but transpose a few words and it still makes sense today.

http://www.thetruant.com/wp-content/.../borg-cube.jpg

"Download This Song"
(feat. Jaret Reddick)

It's 2006, the consumer's still pissed
Won't take it anymore so I'm writing a list
Don't try to resist this paradigm shift
The music revolution cannot be dismissed
$18.98 Iggy Pop CD?
What if I can get it from my sister for free?
It's all about marketing Clive Davis, see?
If fans buy the shirt then they get the mp3
Music was a product now it is a service
Major record labels why are you trying to hurt us?
Epic's up in my face like, "Don't steal our songs Lars,"
While Sony sells the burners that are burning CD-R's
So Warner, EMI, hear me clearly
Universal Music, update your circuitry
They sue little kids downloading hit songs
They think that makes sense
When they know that it's wrong

Hey Mr. Record Man
The joke's on you
Running your label
Like it was 1992
Hey Mr. Record Man,
Your system can't compete
It's the New Artist Model
File transfer complete
Download this song!
Download this song!
Download this song!

I know I'm rhyming fast, but the message is clear
You don't need a million dollars to launch a career
If your style is unique and you practice what you preach
Minor Threat and Jello both have things to teach!
I've got G5 production, concept videos
Touring with a laptop, rocking packed shows
The old-school major deal? It makes no sense
Indentured servitude, the costs are too immense!
Their finger's in the dam but the crack keeps on growing
Can't sell bottled water when it's freely flowing
Record sales slipping, down 8 percent
Increased download sales, you can't prevent
Satellite radio and video games
Changed the terrain, it will never be same
Did you know in ten years labels won't exist?
Goodbye DVD's, and compact disks!

Hey Mr. Record Man,
What's wrong with you
Still living off your catalogue
From 1982
Hey Mr. Record Man,
Your system can't compete
It's the new artist model
File transfer complete
Download this song!
Download this song!
Download this song!

You know, we just wanted a level playing field.
You've overcharged us for music for years, and now we're
Just trying to find a fair balance. I hate to say it, but:
Welcome to the future.

Download this song!
Download this song!
Download this song!

Hey Mr. Record Man
The joke's on you
Running your label
Like it was 1992
Hey Mr. Record Man,
Your system can't compete
It's the New Artist Model
File transfer complete

Dirty Dane 09-29-2010 10:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wolfshade (Post 17551920)
Well lets make it even more interesting. Over here its legal to download stuff from torrents, p2p, etc... Now what?

As for your question, in my model nobody is stealing so B can't steal from A and vice versa. :pimp

We were talking about piracy, or? I don't think any countries allow piracy. Officially.

Whatever moral or law, the same should apply to both A and B, don't you think? But if I steal from another and he steals from me, we will both go down. Simply because we both have low moral and will "compete" to produce less than the other to gain most.

DamianJ 09-29-2010 10:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nautilus (Post 17551984)
You cannot win this war.

I agree with you there.

gooddomains 09-29-2010 10:38 AM

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