50 stealing surfers screwed....

Hm... Maybe they'll come up with some better way to track infringers and share it with us? Or maybe they'll just finally make laws that will stop piracy, for example holding ppl responsible for what's going on at their motherfucking thieving sites, so we wouldn't have to do it (sending settlement letters with high amount of false positives) in the first place?

Nobody gives a shit about us, our problems and that we cannot bring enough income home to feed our families because of piracy. Yet all the GFY surfers are crying about some "old ladies" whose feelings may be hurt.

What Steve and others are doing is perfectly legal - they get identities to send letters to through the court order, COURT ORDER dammit they do not download it from torrent or rapidshare. Yes it results in high amount of false positives, and it's their fucking problem to fix their laws to make them work finally.

Larry Flynt and his army of attorneys are nothing compared to the no name, no sig, second rate, nobody webmasters at GFY. You should call him up and let him know what a huge mistake he's making.

Fucking retards.

I have to say that made me chuckle. From what I have been hearing many others are at least looking into this.

I know several other studios in Los Angeles are about to file suit as well, along with a few more web companies. This is going to be the buzz for the rest of the year and well into 2011.

If you run the numbers, lets say you find only 1000 people who have stolen 1 video/movie of yours. Even if 20% pay you, at $500 a payment, that's not too shabby at all. Even if 10% pay you, you are still making out. Then if you have 100s of files stolen and 1000s and 1000s of violators... it's payday. Do the math. Minus legal of course, but some attorneys are working for a piece of the money. I doubt the idiots here can fathom all of this, but it is a lot of money if just a small amount pay you.

There are a few who have been quietly doing this (in the gay market) for a few months and are cleaning house with it. They say they have around a 60% payout rate so far.

:thumbsup

Que Gideon Gallery and his 8 page essay of erroneous justification and half baked rationalizations.


It isn't just one generation either, the problem spans virtually all generations currently living. For one example, my redneck brother in law. Let's call him "Ray". Redneck Ray has been on the internet since the late 90's. He's in his mid 50's now, is a blue collar working stiff, he steals free satellite dish networks whenever he can, loves his porn as much as the next guy, and has had the notion in his head from day one of "why pay for it if I can get it for free?"

In certain cases he does buy certain programs, but he buys them not from legitimate sellers but from his buddy the pirate guy who burns copies of popular programs complete with cracks/key codes and sells them for about 1/10th the price.

Personally I'd love to see Redneck Ray get caught and sued. Years of successful thievery have made him rather cocky about it. And there are several million Rays out there. It ain't just the 20 yr old kids doing it.

Keyword: hopefully.

It'll take an awfully big "rash" to put a dent in the problem though.

Feed our families. :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

Yes I'm sure Steve is struggling to put food on the table. As I said in another thread, ever stop to think that this is just the market correcting itself? That a middle age man who takes vids of barely legal teens shouldnt be a millionaire? But became one anyway based on getting into the industry at the right time before the market corrected? That a crappy paysite isnt worth $40 a month? That years of fucking over the end consumer through artificially high pricing and shady billing has created a user vs the industry mentality?

This is pretty basic free market economics. A high profit margin to begin with coupled by a very low barrier of entry is going to substantially lower those margins over time. The days of charging $40 for a static site that is updated twice a week are long gone. But instead of embracing the obvious these dinosaurs decide the best course of action is to blackmail their potential customer base. And as has been pointed out many times, ask Hollywood how that turned out for them.

But this is different. We're going after the embarassment factor they say. Brilliant! Let's promote to the mainstream media that you should be ashamed if you view porn. So now, not only have you managed to piss off the group of users who never would have purchased anything anyway, but you also have alienated the user base who possibly might of paid for it. :helpme

lets get one thing straight

the demand for porn is never ever going away

its as basic as needing to breath.

so...we are in the business of getting paid for the porn.

now...there are two kinds of people, those who will buy...and those will not.
the ones who will buy porn...will buy again if they cant get it for free without consequence.
the ones who wont buy...well some of them are going to pay up now as well.

that's it

dont forget the demand....now if the tubes stealing and such could be shut down, whammo, wed all be high fiving and making huge bank again....porn shouldnt be free for all, half of it is depraved and fucked up shit.:)

dont forget the demand

Lets say you are the ideal porn consumer - middle aged, kids, career, ball-busting wife and everything to lose.

Since you have a life and aren't obsessed with adult webmaster boards or the ins and outs of the porn industry its entirely likely you are going to have no idea what the intentions are of the companies involved. You're just going to hear about people being shamed, blackmailed etc with their viewing material being the subject of the conversation.

I'd say this group of desirable, legitimate, paying porn customers stands a significant chance of being increasingly paranoid with the thought of enterprising companies having their personal info and porn viewing habits. For all they know they could be shamed next... so why take a chance? Best goto an tube site instead and stay anonymous.

Lets say you are the ideal porn consumer - middle aged, kids, career, ball-busting wife and everything to lose.

Since you have a life and aren't obsessed with adult webmaster boards or the ins and outs of the porn industry its entirely likely you are going to have no idea what the intentions are of the companies involved. You're just going to hear about people being shamed, blackmailed etc with their viewing material being the subject of the conversation.

I'd say this group of desirable, legitimate, paying porn customers stands a significant chance of being increasingly paranoid with the thought of enterprising companies having their personal info and porn viewing habits. For all they know they could be shamed or extorted next... so why take a chance? Best goto an illegal tube site instead and stay anonymous.

Yes exactly they will have managed to shame their ideal consumer into never actually paying for it again. The same people who dont even know what a torrent is wont be paying for that overpriced monthly membership anytime soon. Instead they'll hit one of the thousand plus tubes and watch all they want for free. Yes, it's lesser quality content, but its anonymous and they wont be downloading anything "shameful".

What I find funny is the very likeliness that those of you who are up in arms over people stealing adult content, have at least one time or another in the past 10-15 years, pirated something (whether it be content/software etc..) in their life. It's easy for me to point that out though since I don't own an adult business.

Pretty tame names.
Wait till they find people downloading names like "XXX Grannies" or "Scat Fantasies".

Christ... I think I downloaded all of those!

I have no problems with markets correcting naturally, due to economical reasons. But when the market correction is actively "helped" to happen by those using illegal means such as piracy, those affected have every right in the world to fight back using all legal options available to them. It is THEIR content, maybe it's not fresh but it IS copyrighted, and they have every right in the world to demand payment for it.

Your suggestion to give up the fight because it is not "fair" to be a millionaire selling porn nowadays is ridiculous. Go post this vision of fairness at pornbb or saff, you'll get lotsa supporters and admirers there. But within the context of this board which is (supposedly) for people who're making a living selling porn, your idea that we need to just relax and sit back and watch peacefully as an army of thieves is stealing our income because it is what we call a "market correction" now is just plain stupid.

Same goes for people bitching that Steve and others sueing ppl for downloading their "outdated" or even "arhaic" content - if it is so "arhaic" why the fuck did you try to download it? If you do not want or like their stuff, do not download it period. And if you downloaded - pay for it.

I think this is a good thing however why do you think that this will work when it has not with torrent sites and mainstream movies.

The lawyers aren't interested in it "working", they are interested in the payouts. This won't stop or curb downloading.

Your better and proven solution would be what?

If you think they are doing this to "curb downloading" you are totally lost and probably shouldn't be commenting on such issues. :2 cents:

it's not meant to 'WORK', it's meant, purely and simply, to extract money from people. As the emails obtained from ICS prove without a shadow of a doubt

Mainstream movies and videogames people tried this scam years ago. However, all the negative publicity it got in all the press made the software companies and movie studios realise it wasn't working and was making them look very bad. So they stopped.

This isn't a 'new' thing. It's been going on for years:

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/03/28/uk_share_hunt/
http://kotaku.com/5107715/uk-consume...avenport-lyons
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/05...lyons_acs_law/

The thing that has changed now is that the music and movie companies do not want to be associated with the ambulance chasing money grabbing cunt lawyers so the ambulance chasing money grabbing cunt lawyers have moved to porn.

Genius.

I predict a major, major backfire.

They are doing it under the guise of "stopping illegal downloads" but as I wrote and you seem to have not been able to read is that they are only interested in the payout. They'd probably prefer to have people continue sharing the content, so they can keep making money by suing.

So yeah...you're right they aren't doing this to curb illegal downloading. Which is EXACTLY what I said.

True, only an idiot would think this is not just a simple money extorting exercise.

Such as people stop paying for porn and download it for free? At this point there is not much to lose, everything to win.

A. My comment on a market correction wasnt based on people downloading movies from torrents. My point was the price point on the content has been kept artificially high. Now technology and a low barrier of entry has forced a market correction. Instead of realizing this and adapting the current slate of content producers are stubbornly sticking with the high price points and old distribution methods. The "By god if I was making 7 figures a year 7 years ago with this content it's not fair of I'm not making it now" reasoning. The free market, which includes all aspects of the industry (including piracy) is telling them that the content is not worth as much profit as in the past.

B. I never said to sit back and peacefully watch as others steal. I suggested you might try to pick a fight you can win. Trying to stuff the genie back in the bottle when the industry themselves let it out is futile.

C. I'm all for millionaires in porn. But bitching that you're losing your millions per year income when you're still doing the same things you were doing 5 years ago when the industry was an infant is absurd. The consumers are telling site owners that they do not feel $40 per month for a website with limited content is worth it. The problem is the site owners are stubbornly not listening.

D. As others have pointed out this has nothing to do with fighting piracy. This has to do with opening up another income stream by blackmailing a potential customer base. It's more short term thinking and one that more successful industries (movies and music) have already abandoned.

No, more like someone sensible countersuing for defamation of character and all such abhorrent IP blackmail scams will be ruled as illegal.

Do you guys think that advertising your need to eliminate tubes in a public forum helps execute? I think the less mentioned the better the chance. Air this shit out to your wives and kill with your lawyer

Promote the embarrassment factor of porn in the mainstream media.

How many people are now going to have their wives take a sudden interest in credit card bills that they have never thought to care about before. Because these are the same sort of wives that you hope the husband is scared of re downloading Ass-to-mouth Trannies 17.

Interesting to see if there is an effect on long term rebills both from the wife cutting it out and from people who had forgotten they signed up to a site years ago and the mainstream publicity reminded them.

i don't really have the answers or much info on the subject.

i am just voicing concern over the inability to 100% gauge the person who's life we're trying to destroy is the person who's life we're destroying

bingo.. the only ones that win here are the lawyers. cha-CHING is what happened in their eyes.

Downloading doesn't need to be curbed if downloading becomes a new revenue stream :2 cents:

I understand your concern, however, there isn't much we can do about it as that course of actions is what current legal frame provides us with.

As justinsain has put it in the next thread, "it's unfortunate collateral damage in a war that must be fought some way some how". Really well said, I do not think there's much I can add here.
http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showpo...8&postcount=68

I can only repeat that I hope that lawmakers will make some laws that will work finally with little if any of the "collateral damages". Starting with DMCA preferrably, whose "collateral damage" we're seeing every day here - programs closing, webmasters packing, all traffic going to thieving sites. If they fix their damnable DMCA which provides a paramaunt of "false positives", where a 1000 pager tube or torrent site filled with 99% of stolen vids is suddenly considered "legal", probably we wouldn't have to deal with the other kind of "false positives" where we cannot point at an illegal downloader with 100% probability.

Right, because people who own intellectual property don't deserve to be paid for it.

It's OK, you can post about this until your fingers bleed, this is happening without your consent, and it's about to happen on a MASSIVE scale.

I don't know about food, but slow sales has seriously cut into my "hookers and drugs" fund. :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

Then set a reasonable settlement price.

Trying to get someone for $2000 because they or someone else using their ip might have downloaded some pornography seems like it's just. You are aware that is how much they are trying to "recover" right?

If you can prove that a specific person downloaded your content and have a reasonable settlemet offer, than by all means...go for it. But to send out letters to random John Does demanding upwards of $2k for downloading one title is a over the top in my opinion.

Next year, the year after and on...people will still be downloading free porn, movies and music.

Why didnt you say so? Blackmail away! :thumbsup

We and many other companies have tried many times to experiment with lower prices, and no, it doesn't increase the bottomline.

However you're free to go ahead and actually DO something to back your words up. If you're seeing a market potential in lower prices, go ahead and create a brilliant $5 site that will update several times a day with an amazing quality 100% exclusive content. Show us as your members abandonded their pornbb habits and never looked back because your porn is only $5 now, and they now subsribe to your site en masse instead of going to tubes and torrents. Show us photos of you driving a new ferrari and partying with $10K/night whores :1orglaugh

I mean, seriously. DO something and show us your record of success - we'll all be singing alliluya to you.

Alliluya? Never heard that one. :1orglaugh

And you either didnt read what I wrote or you have absolutely zero understanding of economics or trends and cant comprehend the concept. Every market corrects itself. You're still hanging on to an economic model that worked 8+ years ago. Same design, same layouts, same price points. Yet you wonder why sales and profits are down.

One more thing, the problem is YOUR potential members dont have a pornbb habit. They have a tube habit.

Tough shit. Raise it to $5000. No sympathy.

Like I told Damian, doesn't matter what you say, it's moving forward without out.

good quote

Bhahahaha :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

But of course, our potential members do not have a pornbb habit, you pal of course know better what habits OUR potential members have. I just love GFY :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

http://www.pornbb.org/pantyhose-feti...-t3650037.html
http://www.pornbb.org/ladies-kiss-la...-t3614664.html
http://www.pornbb.org/anal-pantyhose-t3699157.html
http://www.pornbb.org/lesbian-girls-...-t3652425.html
http://www.pornbb.org/various-pantyh...-t1950586.html

Jesus.

I said potential. Just because you can find your content on the site doesnt mean the users downloading it would have bought the membership in the first place. The average user you want to reach is busy jerking it to tube8, youporn etc.

And the point of this thread and my reply was blackmailing users who illegally downloaded content will do nothing to curb piracy or put a stop to free porn on the net. But you, and the other site owners, already know that. You're using the fear of embarrassment as a revenue stream which is incredibly short sighted thinking. Way to completely downgrade your content and the industry as a whole just to make a few extra bucks.

But keep pumping out content/sites like its 2003! :thumbsup

Oh come on, that's as bad as just cussing at me. I didn't say people that own IP don't deserve to be paid. I said that blackmailing people wasn't a good look.

If you do, awesome, I hope you make a fortune scaring people into settling.

Here in the U.S. you can?t win a defamation suit because they filed a lawsuit against you. As long as the lawsuit was filed with merit against you can?t do shit. FYI just because you were sued and won your case doesn?t mean their case lacked merit it simply means they didn?t have enough evidence to prove it was you.

The theory I keep hearing put forth is well if someone steals my Wi-Fi and downloads stuff because it wasn?t me I can counter sue. I hate to tell you guys but you won?t get very far with this even if you?re able to prove in your case it wasn?t you that downloaded the stuff, but rather your neighbor?s teenage son did it. The people suing you had a reasonable basis for believing it was you so you have no recovery against them. Your avenue of recovery would be your neighbors because it was their kid?s activity that damaged your reputation not the copyright holder trying to enforce his copyright.

As to the other one the poor working mom barely getting by who?s son downloads the stuff while she is at work there is a real easy way to handle that one to. If you?re the attorney listen to what she says, ask her to verify everything with paystubs and so forth. If after you examine her verification materials you find out what she says to be true offer to settle the case by having her provide in writing a statement from her ISP that her service has been disconnected, and make her agree to leave it disconnected for at least a year. You will find a lot of people put forth the defense I am a poor nobody, but when you ask for their pay stubs to prove it you find it out that isn?t the case it all.

I?ll also point out if you?re one of the ones who thinks you can simply defend a case by saying it wasn?t me it will be an awfully hard route to go. You have to develop some sort of evidence that indeed it wasn?t you to counter their evidence that it was. In order to develop such evidence you will likely have to hire an expert witness to testify on your behalf so minimalisticly your looking at 10-15k to defend your case, and even if you win you don?t get that back. It would be kind of crazy to spend that kind of cash to prove your innocent when you simply could have settled for $200 to-2k upfront.

that's nice, but what about tubes ?

When it stops moving forward and hits a brick fucking wall...I'll be glad I wasn't on board.

This only adds concrete evidence to the assertion that minors can easily access porn and pornographers are complete scum bags for creating it in the first place and belong in prison for "making it so easy" for kids to get porn.

So bearing this hypothetical in mind, you would really want that kind of testimony on record so the next batshit republican administration can use it as ammo to pass some draconian legislation aimed at putting pornographers in jail and making your business very difficult to run?

Then they shouldn't steal it and there wouldn't be any problem.

This problem did not happen because all the site owners just gave their shit away for free. IT WAS ALL STOLEN and passed around. The response is late, but this is what they get.

There is no blackmail. If you steal it, you're going to pay for it just like you would if you got caught stealing from a brick and mortar store. There is no difference.

Don't worry, you won't be on board so you don't have anything to worry about.

Keep on crying boys, more IPs are being tracked and about to get served as you do.

hahaha yeah agreed :thumbsup

It won't stop true pirates, but you can damn well bet it will make the average user think twice about downloading this stuff. This is just the start watch how many companies start doing this and watch how fast word spreads. Probably will lead to a traffic boost for tube sites at least until they apply this same model to the tubes.

OK lets see who users of this site are and what they say (I'll quote some remarks from one of the threads above).

So what can we say about these people:

1. They know our sites (they mention them by name alot)
2. They know who our models are (they mention them by name alot)
3. They request specific sets from our sites
4. They request most recent updates from our sites
5. They LIKE our stuff - the general tone of comments leaves no doubts, they also specifically say that several times and mention our sites' names
6. They believe that OP is a "connoisseur" - and trust me that gang at pornbb wouldn't say that about some random "money poster". And that hendrix dude is indeed a connoisseur of the nylon niche and not a random poster. He knows what good stuff is and where to find it.

But of course they're not potential customers because some dude at GFY says so. They'd never buy a membership if they couldn't download everything free at pornbb, because a theory posted at GFY out of some one's ass says they woudn't.