the leechers, retard.

uh, its not just about steve. that should be obvious. i think its pretty funny that you are worried about hurting the feeling of those who are already stealing content. they weren't buying in the first place so who cares? i really don't expect this to change anything except put the scare in some people that if they download a torrent, they could be sued.

so it is based off IP

what happens when Priest Whatever-the-fuck shoots himself because someone looked at 'tranny stuffers' on an ip that may or may not have actually been him

and why are the major companies 'surprised' how much traction the 'embarrassment' factor is getting?

i know, lets see if we can start connecting this stuff to the government, and STRONG arm them into a bailout

no?

I agree. Is it really worth the time or risk to deal with torrents? Spending $1 to $5 to get something quickly and easily from Itunes works for me.

What happens when someone with half a brain countersues for defamation?

Exactly.

And I mean c'mon... it all boils down to this: It's someone else's work. PAY FOR IT. You've got a whole generation of people that have come to expect everything for free, right here, right now. This huge and growing group of people needs to change the way they think... the lawsuits and press are a good start.

Hopefully this rash of lawsuits will slowly and surely educate and re-educate people on the old adage "there is no such thing as a free lunch".

http://vote08.freedomblogging.com/fi...er-in-dyke.jpg

http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/science/darwin_1.jpg

Shit. They caught me downloading 'My First Time With A Goat Vol. 8' :Oh crap

i think it be libel? but i like my example better.

i guess one might as well set fire to a sinking ship

True. It's worked really well for the MPAA and RIAA.

Oh, hang on a minute...

50 stealing surfers screwed....

Hm... Maybe they'll come up with some better way to track infringers and share it with us? Or maybe they'll just finally make laws that will stop piracy, for example holding ppl responsible for what's going on at their motherfucking thieving sites, so we wouldn't have to do it (sending settlement letters with high amount of false positives) in the first place?

Nobody gives a shit about us, our problems and that we cannot bring enough income home to feed our families because of piracy. Yet all the GFY surfers are crying about some "old ladies" whose feelings may be hurt.

What Steve and others are doing is perfectly legal - they get identities to send letters to through the court order, COURT ORDER dammit they do not download it from torrent or rapidshare. Yes it results in high amount of false positives, and it's their fucking problem to fix their laws to make them work finally.

Larry Flynt and his army of attorneys are nothing compared to the no name, no sig, second rate, nobody webmasters at GFY. You should call him up and let him know what a huge mistake he's making.

Fucking retards.

I have to say that made me chuckle. From what I have been hearing many others are at least looking into this.

I know several other studios in Los Angeles are about to file suit as well, along with a few more web companies. This is going to be the buzz for the rest of the year and well into 2011.

If you run the numbers, lets say you find only 1000 people who have stolen 1 video/movie of yours. Even if 20% pay you, at $500 a payment, that's not too shabby at all. Even if 10% pay you, you are still making out. Then if you have 100s of files stolen and 1000s and 1000s of violators... it's payday. Do the math. Minus legal of course, but some attorneys are working for a piece of the money. I doubt the idiots here can fathom all of this, but it is a lot of money if just a small amount pay you.

There are a few who have been quietly doing this (in the gay market) for a few months and are cleaning house with it. They say they have around a 60% payout rate so far.

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Que Gideon Gallery and his 8 page essay of erroneous justification and half baked rationalizations.


It isn't just one generation either, the problem spans virtually all generations currently living. For one example, my redneck brother in law. Let's call him "Ray". Redneck Ray has been on the internet since the late 90's. He's in his mid 50's now, is a blue collar working stiff, he steals free satellite dish networks whenever he can, loves his porn as much as the next guy, and has had the notion in his head from day one of "why pay for it if I can get it for free?"

In certain cases he does buy certain programs, but he buys them not from legitimate sellers but from his buddy the pirate guy who burns copies of popular programs complete with cracks/key codes and sells them for about 1/10th the price.

Personally I'd love to see Redneck Ray get caught and sued. Years of successful thievery have made him rather cocky about it. And there are several million Rays out there. It ain't just the 20 yr old kids doing it.

Keyword: hopefully.

It'll take an awfully big "rash" to put a dent in the problem though.

Feed our families. :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

Yes I'm sure Steve is struggling to put food on the table. As I said in another thread, ever stop to think that this is just the market correcting itself? That a middle age man who takes vids of barely legal teens shouldnt be a millionaire? But became one anyway based on getting into the industry at the right time before the market corrected? That a crappy paysite isnt worth $40 a month? That years of fucking over the end consumer through artificially high pricing and shady billing has created a user vs the industry mentality?

This is pretty basic free market economics. A high profit margin to begin with coupled by a very low barrier of entry is going to substantially lower those margins over time. The days of charging $40 for a static site that is updated twice a week are long gone. But instead of embracing the obvious these dinosaurs decide the best course of action is to blackmail their potential customer base. And as has been pointed out many times, ask Hollywood how that turned out for them.

But this is different. We're going after the embarassment factor they say. Brilliant! Let's promote to the mainstream media that you should be ashamed if you view porn. So now, not only have you managed to piss off the group of users who never would have purchased anything anyway, but you also have alienated the user base who possibly might of paid for it. :helpme

lets get one thing straight

the demand for porn is never ever going away

its as basic as needing to breath.

so...we are in the business of getting paid for the porn.

now...there are two kinds of people, those who will buy...and those will not.
the ones who will buy porn...will buy again if they cant get it for free without consequence.
the ones who wont buy...well some of them are going to pay up now as well.

that's it

dont forget the demand....now if the tubes stealing and such could be shut down, whammo, wed all be high fiving and making huge bank again....porn shouldnt be free for all, half of it is depraved and fucked up shit.:)

dont forget the demand

Lets say you are the ideal porn consumer - middle aged, kids, career, ball-busting wife and everything to lose.

Since you have a life and aren't obsessed with adult webmaster boards or the ins and outs of the porn industry its entirely likely you are going to have no idea what the intentions are of the companies involved. You're just going to hear about people being shamed, blackmailed etc with their viewing material being the subject of the conversation.

I'd say this group of desirable, legitimate, paying porn customers stands a significant chance of being increasingly paranoid with the thought of enterprising companies having their personal info and porn viewing habits. For all they know they could be shamed next... so why take a chance? Best goto an tube site instead and stay anonymous.

Lets say you are the ideal porn consumer - middle aged, kids, career, ball-busting wife and everything to lose.

Since you have a life and aren't obsessed with adult webmaster boards or the ins and outs of the porn industry its entirely likely you are going to have no idea what the intentions are of the companies involved. You're just going to hear about people being shamed, blackmailed etc with their viewing material being the subject of the conversation.

I'd say this group of desirable, legitimate, paying porn customers stands a significant chance of being increasingly paranoid with the thought of enterprising companies having their personal info and porn viewing habits. For all they know they could be shamed or extorted next... so why take a chance? Best goto an illegal tube site instead and stay anonymous.

Yes exactly they will have managed to shame their ideal consumer into never actually paying for it again. The same people who dont even know what a torrent is wont be paying for that overpriced monthly membership anytime soon. Instead they'll hit one of the thousand plus tubes and watch all they want for free. Yes, it's lesser quality content, but its anonymous and they wont be downloading anything "shameful".

What I find funny is the very likeliness that those of you who are up in arms over people stealing adult content, have at least one time or another in the past 10-15 years, pirated something (whether it be content/software etc..) in their life. It's easy for me to point that out though since I don't own an adult business.

Pretty tame names.
Wait till they find people downloading names like "XXX Grannies" or "Scat Fantasies".

Christ... I think I downloaded all of those!

I have no problems with markets correcting naturally, due to economical reasons. But when the market correction is actively "helped" to happen by those using illegal means such as piracy, those affected have every right in the world to fight back using all legal options available to them. It is THEIR content, maybe it's not fresh but it IS copyrighted, and they have every right in the world to demand payment for it.

Your suggestion to give up the fight because it is not "fair" to be a millionaire selling porn nowadays is ridiculous. Go post this vision of fairness at pornbb or saff, you'll get lotsa supporters and admirers there. But within the context of this board which is (supposedly) for people who're making a living selling porn, your idea that we need to just relax and sit back and watch peacefully as an army of thieves is stealing our income because it is what we call a "market correction" now is just plain stupid.

Same goes for people bitching that Steve and others sueing ppl for downloading their "outdated" or even "arhaic" content - if it is so "arhaic" why the fuck did you try to download it? If you do not want or like their stuff, do not download it period. And if you downloaded - pay for it.

I think this is a good thing however why do you think that this will work when it has not with torrent sites and mainstream movies.

The lawyers aren't interested in it "working", they are interested in the payouts. This won't stop or curb downloading.

Your better and proven solution would be what?

If you think they are doing this to "curb downloading" you are totally lost and probably shouldn't be commenting on such issues. :2 cents:

it's not meant to 'WORK', it's meant, purely and simply, to extract money from people. As the emails obtained from ICS prove without a shadow of a doubt

Mainstream movies and videogames people tried this scam years ago. However, all the negative publicity it got in all the press made the software companies and movie studios realise it wasn't working and was making them look very bad. So they stopped.

This isn't a 'new' thing. It's been going on for years:

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/03/28/uk_share_hunt/
http://kotaku.com/5107715/uk-consume...avenport-lyons
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/05...lyons_acs_law/

The thing that has changed now is that the music and movie companies do not want to be associated with the ambulance chasing money grabbing cunt lawyers so the ambulance chasing money grabbing cunt lawyers have moved to porn.

Genius.

I predict a major, major backfire.

They are doing it under the guise of "stopping illegal downloads" but as I wrote and you seem to have not been able to read is that they are only interested in the payout. They'd probably prefer to have people continue sharing the content, so they can keep making money by suing.

So yeah...you're right they aren't doing this to curb illegal downloading. Which is EXACTLY what I said.

True, only an idiot would think this is not just a simple money extorting exercise.

Such as people stop paying for porn and download it for free? At this point there is not much to lose, everything to win.

A. My comment on a market correction wasnt based on people downloading movies from torrents. My point was the price point on the content has been kept artificially high. Now technology and a low barrier of entry has forced a market correction. Instead of realizing this and adapting the current slate of content producers are stubbornly sticking with the high price points and old distribution methods. The "By god if I was making 7 figures a year 7 years ago with this content it's not fair of I'm not making it now" reasoning. The free market, which includes all aspects of the industry (including piracy) is telling them that the content is not worth as much profit as in the past.

B. I never said to sit back and peacefully watch as others steal. I suggested you might try to pick a fight you can win. Trying to stuff the genie back in the bottle when the industry themselves let it out is futile.

C. I'm all for millionaires in porn. But bitching that you're losing your millions per year income when you're still doing the same things you were doing 5 years ago when the industry was an infant is absurd. The consumers are telling site owners that they do not feel $40 per month for a website with limited content is worth it. The problem is the site owners are stubbornly not listening.

D. As others have pointed out this has nothing to do with fighting piracy. This has to do with opening up another income stream by blackmailing a potential customer base. It's more short term thinking and one that more successful industries (movies and music) have already abandoned.

No, more like someone sensible countersuing for defamation of character and all such abhorrent IP blackmail scams will be ruled as illegal.

Do you guys think that advertising your need to eliminate tubes in a public forum helps execute? I think the less mentioned the better the chance. Air this shit out to your wives and kill with your lawyer

Promote the embarrassment factor of porn in the mainstream media.

How many people are now going to have their wives take a sudden interest in credit card bills that they have never thought to care about before. Because these are the same sort of wives that you hope the husband is scared of re downloading Ass-to-mouth Trannies 17.

Interesting to see if there is an effect on long term rebills both from the wife cutting it out and from people who had forgotten they signed up to a site years ago and the mainstream publicity reminded them.

i don't really have the answers or much info on the subject.

i am just voicing concern over the inability to 100% gauge the person who's life we're trying to destroy is the person who's life we're destroying

bingo.. the only ones that win here are the lawyers. cha-CHING is what happened in their eyes.

Downloading doesn't need to be curbed if downloading becomes a new revenue stream :2 cents:

I understand your concern, however, there isn't much we can do about it as that course of actions is what current legal frame provides us with.

As justinsain has put it in the next thread, "it's unfortunate collateral damage in a war that must be fought some way some how". Really well said, I do not think there's much I can add here.
http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showpo...8&postcount=68

I can only repeat that I hope that lawmakers will make some laws that will work finally with little if any of the "collateral damages". Starting with DMCA preferrably, whose "collateral damage" we're seeing every day here - programs closing, webmasters packing, all traffic going to thieving sites. If they fix their damnable DMCA which provides a paramaunt of "false positives", where a 1000 pager tube or torrent site filled with 99% of stolen vids is suddenly considered "legal", probably we wouldn't have to deal with the other kind of "false positives" where we cannot point at an illegal downloader with 100% probability.