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This being said I don't see why sponsors taking that traffic should be punished, and I really don't see the comparison to shaving you made. |
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My view is that if there is viable income from it rather than just pissing money away on Ferraris for lawyers that it will just become a new business model - leak your shit then threaten whoever takes it hoping for enough % of people to cough up the penalty fee. |
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A war without leadership A war without organization A war without a defined objective A war without a strategy A war without a cause A war without vision A war that cannot be won A war that just does nothing but confirms to everyone, even customers that pornographers are assholes and nothing else. Its a war where soldiers spread their weapons all over the battlefield on purpose, left loaded and unsecured and even encourage their spreading, collecting and taking and then act surprised when others pick them up and shoot and shoot at them or refuse to buy them later. |
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I've been saying for a long time that the industry charges too much and why we do. The cost of traffic keeps membership prices where they are. Have companies like Mansef discovered it's more profitable to put up a Tube site, give away full length scenes and get a far lower conversion rate, but off a far higher traffic flow, than the traditional methods? |
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Do they have any ideas what will or are they looking forward to having another job soon. Because one thing they can't dispute is. We are no where near the bottom of the slide yet. It will get worse unless something is done. |
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All you dinosaurs with your CRAP Members Sections are the REASON no one will sign up to anything - You buy a bunch of bullshit OLD recycled content then put up a bunch of STANDARD SHIT in a members section - then make a GREAT LOOKING TOUR to SUCKER a surfer into joining then RIP HIM OFF on X Sales - and all you Traffic guys who made a lot of easy money promoting these shitty sites are now a bunch of FUCKING CRYBABIES that nobody wants to sign up and get scammed anymore...boo hoo - and you Paul Markham - you are a smart guy and you seem really cool but SELLING NON EXCLUSIVE CONTENT FUCKED THIS BIZ UP FOR REAL SHOOTERS.
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all you junk peddlers with your 80's content re-sold to a thousand sites... and jokes for members sections. An your gimmicky tricks and traffic scams are about to GO EXTINCT... Just sell the house and move into an RV...the jig is up it's alllll over. Surfers aren't falling for your schemes anymore, just throw in the towel and let us quality premium exclusive guys take it from here. |
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Thank you for sharing your thoughts Paul.
I agree with you that improving of our product(s) is a part of anti-piracy campaign, and I also believe that we should BOTH fight piracy and AND work on improving of our content/sites/member areas etc. Fighting piracy should be a complex strategy involving many factors, one of them is surely creating a product that is actually worth paying for. You cannot beat piracy by just making a better product, but you need something that is worth the asking price to sell to your potential customers after your OTHER anti-piracy efforts resulted in surfers being unable to find good and fresh stuff for free that easily. |
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I'd say it's all the big wigs running tube sites -- can anyone says Brazzers |
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I mean really? You think porn can stop piracy, when music, movies, tv and videogames have all, massively and publicly failed? Really? |
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Just believe. You seen what he did with Join buttons http://www.recordrobot.com/henning.jpg |
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You guys have all forgotten the biggest pirate supporter on the internet and its called GOOGLE which we all support and use in one way or the other
Best of luck trying to fight against them though |
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itwillneverhappen AT hahahayouamuseme DOT com |
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Shame you deleted the reply, you seem more intelligent that Robbie and Paul as when anyone dares suggest that blackmailing potential customers is a demonstrably a bad move they just cuss and call you names. I'm willing to read an alternate argument. But is Paul's brilliant idea is 'make better content and stop promoting AFF' and Robbie's argument is "FUCK OFF CUNT YOU ARE ON IGNORE", they are not going to persuade me that spending time and money fighting a war with a 200 year old track record of failure is a good idea. Maybe you can? Let's start it off: I think, despite the fact that every other content producing industry has tried this and given up on it, it is a good idea to send letters to owners of an IP address to try and extort money from them because... |
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make something like powerpoint presentation and say what you want to say. No, really, I would love to know the plan. With out the "etc.. etc.." bullshit. |
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Because MPAA and RIAA had to pull out because of the bad publicity, while porn producers couldn't care less because their publicity is already bad. Because it's not going to scare any of the potential customers because surfers do not care what "reputation" of a company is, they only care if their porn is good or not. |
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Is extortion really the correct word in this instance?
I thought extortion was something like the mob going to some mom & pop store and telling them they need to pay them " protection" money or their store will burn to the ground. When the lawyers serve the " suspected " pirates the pirates have a choice of admitting their guilt and paying for the damages or claiming their innocence and having their day in a court of law to do so. If found innocent they walk away and if found guilty as accused, they pay the damages. That just seems like a normal, legal process to me. Settling out of court is a very common thing and I don't see how that's considered extortion. Lawsuits, insurance claims and the King of Pop settled out of court and it's not extortion. What makes this a tad bit different is the embarrassment factor which plays a big part in the accused's decision however, the accused has a choice with a legal path. The embarrassment factor is not new and often used as a deterrent or to settle out of court. Daytona Police have adopted this tactic in fighting prostitution. They couldn't get rid of the hookers and the johns kept coming so they decided to have the local paper publish the names of all the Johns arrested for soliciting prostitutes. The only part I don't like in using this tactic to fight piracy is that innocent people will be dragged through it as a result of the imperfect technology. It's unfortunate collateral damage in a war that must be fought some way some how. I imagine a day will come when every person that accesses the internet will be required to have a unique identification like a SS# or Drivers license # that can be traced and connected to them. |
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And even in UK, a huge portion of the failure is attributed to that fucked up company ASC:Law or whatever their name is. Were they're not that obviously scummy, the scheme could go on just fine - and it could still go on just fine in fact, because the scheme itself is still perfectly legal in the UK, as Digital Economy bill is still a law; it's just that you couldn't find a lawyer to run it, as almost all of them scattered away because of the bad publicity. No such problem in the US :) In the land of free you'll always find a lawyer ready to run a mass tort litigation for a porn company. Always. |
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I do see it has a logical progression though. Much like drivers licenses were created to determine who is who on the road and to help make them accountable for their actions. |
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You CAN compete with free... you just have to sell it. Why pay for it? Far more clips than any tube, all full length, all full screen, all of highest quality no more grainy terrible clips and slow servers, come where everything loads fast and where you can find what you want in seconds not hours! Sites are updated daily, fresh content, exclusive content, no pop up ads, no viruses, no adware or tool bars, person on the go? we have mobile versions of all our top sites and videos that will play with all newer cell phones.. You get what you pay for, and we are the best in the game.. It's time to step up and join the pros and once you do you will never be able to go back to the free stuff again... SELL! :thumbsup |
I see a 2 tier internet coming. The desktop PC web will be "net neutral" but the mobile web & the web that streams content to HDTVs will be controlled by the ISPs & hollywood. Just like 1 big Itunes, where steve jobs et al. decides what you can see & cant see on your wireless device & HDTV.
Piracy will not die, but it will be limited to a net neutral desktop web where download speeds are so slow the torrents & file sharing sites will wither from having no access to the fast internet. The future is the mobile web & streaming to HDTV. This is where hollywood & the ISPs will control what you can & can't view. Since our government is incapable of passing meaningful regulations any longer, these webs will be considered private networks instead of public utilities (like phone service) & thus free speech will be meaningless. Disney, News corporation, time warner, & verizon will control what you see. The google-verizon deal provides the roadmap to this coming web. |
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If you're asking now if I believe that will stop piracy or not - the answer is no, neither me nor any other person I know believes that. But we do believe that it'll put a dent on piracy - cannot make suggestions right away as to how deep of a dent that will be, as there's no stats and nothing to compare with. All previous attempts were too chaotic and short lived. Now that the long-term pressure is mounting, we'll wait and see what effect on piracy it had. For example, in a year from now lets compare Alexa traffic ranks of some of the biggests porn torrent sites with what they are now. |
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London introduced a charge for driving into the centre during the daytime. Result? Huge amount of cars registered to someone that didn't exist and people having their number plates nicked and screwed on someone else's car. All down to similar sort of identification being used in these sort of cases. It's your car number plate on the list - it MUST have been you. It's your IP address on the list - it MUST have been you. |
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And yet for almost 3 years now I have been begged you guys everytime I see one of you at a show to PLEASE get your content off the pirate sites. And everytime I get assured that finally Naughty America is going to do something about it. Just this week in one of the many piracy threads a link was posted with your entire members areas from your sites. For God's sake man....How can ANY of us honest affiliates possibly make good sales when that kind of thing is and has been happening with your stuff? Go to pornbb dot org . Type in naughty america in the search. Open your EYES man! That is just ONE search on one site. And it doesn't count the hundreds of other searches with deliberate misspellings and/or individual site names of your paysites and/or model name searches. I have been saying to you guys over and over and over that Naughty America has some of the best content and paysite members areas of anyone. Maybe even THE best. Right now this month I'm 1:4437 with you guys. I've promoted this program since it was Socal Cash and it always converted less than 1:300 until about 3 years ago when piracy blew up big. PLEASE either hire removeyourcontent or do SOMETHING to effectively DMCA your stuff down. Otherwise it won't matter how long the clips are that you give to affiliates. Fuck...I can go download your entire members areas off of rapidshare right now and stick it up as "promo" if I wanted to. We can't compete with that. How do I sell a membership to your site when surfer forums like porn bb (alexa traffic rating: 1,233) are posting up nicely organized links to all of your stolen content for millions of surfers to see? If ever there was one company that really, really needs to get it's act together on piracy...it's Naughty America. These fucking thieves are killing you. With the quality of the content you have and are shooting right now...I should be making money hand over fist with you. But I can't. My stats by the way are 100% derived from your own hosted galleries running on my tgp's. So the surfers are looking at your galleries. Then they are going to the tour. But then the deal isn't getting closed. My suspicion based on my years of experience? They are using me running your galleries and then your tour page to see what the latest update is so they can then search for it on the torrents, file shares, and tubes. We are like a fucking t.v. guide of porn for them to know what to look at next for free. :( Please, please hire removeyourcontent It's far more inexpensive than doing it yourself and Eric and his team already have the tools and connections in place. I'd like to see N.A. back where it belongs. |
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There is a law here against shoplifting. If there wasn't almost everyone would rampage through stores taking anything they wanted like it was the NBA finals in LA. The stores could never stay in business. However, some people still shoplift but it's nowhere near as bad as it would be if no law against it were in place. It's against the law here to rob a bank. If there wasn't, everyone would just walk in and take as much money as they want and the bank would not be able to stay in business. However, some people still go in and try to rob banks but it's nowhere near as bad as it would be if no law against it were in place. It's against the law to commit rape........ |
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I concur, it will be fucking brilliant at doing that. |
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