Really?

You work in pornography and think that having the government watch everything customers do online is A Good Idea?

Extortion sounds like a great idea for this industry.. Until you hit some lawyer that will countersue your ass for libel and defamation. Not that nautilus has to worry about that since his ass is sitting comfortably in russia, but for rest of us? The land of the free. Whatever.

Please quote me where I said this is a good idea.

Then I'll show you where I said I didn't want it.

Apologies, from the tone of your previous post it seemed (to me) that you were in favour of people having a sole identity to access the internet which would be monitored.

My bad.

Accepted :)

My feelings were that inevitably the internet will end up regulated so people can be held accountable for their actions.

It was just a prediction and not my hope.

Carry on!

I've explained in detail to a few people on GFY now how to promote something through the pirate forums. What work you have to do, how to not be detected as promoting something (which gets your accounts banned and all your hard work talking to yourself with multiple accounts deleted), how to boost traffic to your threads, how to create interest in your product, and how much time it can take up. It takes hard work but do it right and you only have to do your work based on about 25 sites and then other people will repost it for you on every tiny site that maybe isn't worth your own time but adds to the exposure you are wanting for free. But of course i'm just theorising as I don't have a fat wife to whore out and promote.

Assuming someone is an idiot just because they don't 100% share your point of view is cutting off your own bollocks. I read everything in threads that interest me and as well as trying to contribute if I have an opinion I absorb what other people have said and every now and then they can have written something that makes me think about something differently - this is a good thing. If you are unwilling to accept anybody else's point of view over something you may as well just write fuck-off you surfer, i'm putting you on ignore for every post and leave it at that.

And free emails, proxy servers and ip spoofing isn't an option. :1orglaugh

I love that part too :)

I also find it amusing how extremely protective they are of their personal "copyrighted works" such as thumbnails or description.

They'd steal other people's work all day long without a second thought, but when some other poster will use their thumbnails, winds change instantly. They'd bitch and moan about "people without honor", damn leeches who cannot do anything productive in their life and only steal other people's "hard work" to boost their forum rep.

Oh the irony :pimp

Thanks for helping people that already are years ahead of you.
Duke at Duke Dollars was THE man as far as working with the surfer forums.

Your opinion is good. And it makes sense. But you're talking to people who have actually been doing this. Thanks for your non-real world theories.

Yes, some folks have been able to promote a bit through forums and made some sales here and there.
No, it's not profitable compared to when stuff was not pirated. It's like pocket change comparatively.

The people I have on ignore are people that I'm sick of harassing me. I look back over time and see nothing that they have ever contributed except to troll and insult me. So fuck them. And if you have a problem with me putting people on Ignore...fuck you too. I'll put your ass on there too.

I'm interested in knowledge and learning. Not arguing or smart ass remarks. If somebody wants to disagree with what I'm saying and debate it back and forth on a subject that's fine. I love hashing shit out like that.

And if a person has more experience on a subject than I do and has a record of success at it...then I'm gonna sit under the learning tree.

But the folks I put on ignore have none of that going for them. I'm not going to be insulted by clowns who I run circles around in this business.

So don't try to put words or intentions in my mouth. That's just fucking trolling.

As for how you THINK things work...that's cool. But just like I do...maybe when it's a subject that you are interested in but you're talking to someone with more knowledge and experience in that particular thing...maybe, just maybe you should listen and learn.

Or not. It doesn't really matter because you have no skin in this game and what you think or do isn't going to make any difference.

Not being a dick, and I'm not trying to piss you off. I'm just stating the facts. My shit is on the line. Yours isn't. I'm doing things about my content being stolen and have been doing things about it for over 2 years now. You haven't.

I do. You talk. That's why I may seem to not put much weight in your opinion. It has none except for the purpose of discussion in which I have no problem with at all. :)

Something, a product... What exactly are your talking about? Promoting a paysite at pornbb? Or just watermarking the crap out of videos that are not yours and selling some irrelevant bullshit "product" such as penis pills.

Mostly random bullshit products but pornbb is relatively new as far as i'm concerned and is completely free porn for parasites focussed so not as much use. If someone wants to waste their money on random shit then only a fool wouldn't take it from them.

No point watermarking someone else's videos really it's something I could never be bothered with. It will get people to a site like a tube but not in numbers that I would consider worth the effort and quite honestly it won't sell shit on it's own.

Sorry, when was that then?

Robbie

I never claimed to be the first at anything however I don't mind spending time explaining to people who havn't got a clue how something works.

Not got a problem with you putting people who are trolling you on ignore but I do think using ignore is the equivalent of someone just sticking their fingers in their ears and going lalala when they feel as if they are losing an argument - and in this case I don't really see why it should be turning into an argument.

I still don't really get why you want to constantly keep telling people their opinion and ideas are completely worthless just because they don't own a paysite.

That's what I thought.

Do you have any records of succesfully selling porn at pornbb or any other illegal sharing site?

I don't think people's ideas are worthless. I don't think yours are worthless for instance.

But go back and read what those people whom I put on ignore said in that thread. There were no ideas being given. They are just looking to argue for the sake of argument. Not one of them has any idea what they are talking about, and not one of them had any ideas to share...they were simply wanting to insult people because they think they are so clever.

And I don't tell people that everything they say is worthless because they don't own a paysite. If I were discussing traffic with other affiliates who have tgps or tubes or blogs I wouldn't even want the discussion to concern content or paysites.

But when the subject at hand has everything to do with owning a paysite and/or content and in my case things that I shoot, edit, update, etc. (a work of love if you will) then what other criteria can there possibly be?

Yes, I have heard over and over how mainstream did this or mainstream did that. And I've given it all careful consideration. I'm in this to make money after all so I'm not going to turn away from any ideas that might make a dollar or two.

But in the end...I have to use my own experience and knowledge of THIS business to understand what will and won't work. And that includes me personally making a shit ton of mistakes over the years that I have learned hard lessons from.

Believe me...those guys in that thread have all been total jerks to me on this forum for a long time. None of them have anything of value to add. None of them have my respect or admiration for anything that they have accomplished. Matter of fact I'd be hard pressed to name anything that they have ever done.

Not that it matters...but if they are going to try and talk down to me it's a joke.

You know what I mean. When you spend years developing skill sets and gaining proficiency at things, the last thing you want is some poindexter looking over you shoulder trying to tell you how to do it. :1orglaugh

So let's get back to the subject. This ain't about me. Or those clowns.

And I appreciate your opinions and thoughts. And your ability to have intelligent discourse about something that is damn serious. We all love to clown and bust balls...but this is dead serious. And no room for the clowns of GFY with their shenanigans.

I apologize to you if I came off too rough. This damn "ignore" feature has me drunk on power. :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

GFY was built on clowns and shenanigans.

That's strange gideongallery....I was just over at another adult forum that DOES keep surfers out (you have to PROVE you are in the industry, and it's where most business is now taking place since GFY has chosen to be a surfer board).

Anyway, the guy who took down the old wp board just told us his numbers and profit of when he CRUSHED their ass legally. He's preparing to take down two more sites. And he also is telling us the high dollar settlements he went after the users for afterwards.

Collected almost instantly and then sued the rest.

Fairy tales? Not hardly gideongallery. Now shouldn't you getting in touch with thedoc and getting that project off the ground? It's been months now and you still haven't even written an email. No wonder you are a failure and you are thedoc's BITCH.
BWAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAhA

Don't press on him Robbie, he's busy disconnecting his Gay Studs Bukkake Fest #128 downloads.

Just sayin'...since he thinks he's so "witty" to post a picture of Tinkerbell and insinuate that it's all a fairytale...
HE is the one with the biggest bullshit fairytale on GFY. For 2 years he spun his lines of double talk and crap. And then when thedoc called his bluff...gideongallery ran like a bitch. And thus exposed all his lies as nothing BUT fairytales.

The fact that gideongallery of all people would post that picture is what is known as IRONY.

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh :1orglaugh

I'm sure that is all true. Why bother making content, building sites, dealing with compliance, models, editing, uploading etc when you can just blackmail random john does into paying bills.

It makes perfect sense.

Sounds like a retirement plan to me! I'm not going to feel sorry for "random john does" who willfully chose to steal my content, just as they don't feel sorry for me when they steal it. :2 cents:

Steve Lightspeed

What comes after pride again?

Lots of bumming.

Governments and laws oversee and regulate every other aspect of our lives. In fact I can't think of one instance other than the Internet that's not regulated. In porn we are more regulated than most.

Do we all live in a police State, do we fear a knock on the door from the big bad man from the Government. Are we able to run our businesses and make a living. Can we buy a porn mag, film or what ever we can if it's legal. Can we get on with our lives in freedom?

Yes of course we can. To all those questions.

So what has an unregulated got us?

A place where scammers, thieves and scum flourish.

I've made money in the offline porn industry for decades. A place where regulation was accepted and complied to. Don't fear it if you're honest.

Yes what we all need to do is to put more free content in places teaching people they don't have to pay for it. :upsidedow

QFT :thumbsup

coffee spat out lol

thanks

Damian is now preaching morals to an industry where some have made scamming surfers an art form. Sponsors and affiliates who sent them traffic.

Misleading tours.
Sites filled with nothing but garbage.
Sites with garbage and loads of banners to other sites.
Mis use of credit card information.
Pre clicked join boxes.
Selling dating sites that have very few if any females.
Targeting surfers telling them there is a girl in the next town looking for them.
Sending out emails to keep those people spending money.
Shaving affiliates.

And probably more I have not thought of.

Now he's up in arms that this industry should be targeting pirates to make them pay for the content they downloaded.

Yes piracy of content always existed. The Internet turned it into an a billion dollar industry.

Really? THAT is your argument?

"It is acceptable to be immoral and blackmail random people with the SOLE intention of extracting money from them because some other people in the industry had nefarious practises in the past"

?


Do you need a hand to clutch at those straws or are you managing?

Warning: Robbie and his Russian buddy get easily confused when presented with reality.

One of the most dangerous types of thinking a society can embrace. It's the words of dictators and 'all or nothing' thinkers. If we allow ourselves to be ruled by that type of mentality ("if you have nothing to hide then why not do as I say") then we are allowing a climate of corruption to flourish.

Paul I have nothing against you and actually agree with the majority of your posts in different threads. Especially about why the industry is in decline. I LOVE it when you talk about how shitty the product is. I wish it could be repeated everyday until it gets into everyone's heads.

I am against piracy and illegal downloading. As for 'this method' of fighting piracy I am very much against. And before you and Steve reply with, "well do you have any better ideas" ... no I don't. But a bad idea is still a bad idea. Even if there are no alternatives it doesn't mean that the current idea should be implemented.

:2 cents:

But you can't deny we live in a world controlled and regulated. Yet the press can bring down a President, debate whether Marilyn Munroe was killed be the CIA, people can march against Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan and any other thing they want to. We can buy porn from shops on the street and many other freedoms.

A free Internet has largely been taken over by scum.

And if you want it cleaned up the ONLY way it will be done is with Government action. The problem is that action will fall on Youtube as well as others. And they have the clout.

Until a better idea comes along this is all we have.

Really? Failed? How do you figure? Anti Piracy has actually been incredibly successful in mainstream for sales within the US...You are trippin dude.

You think because you can still find illegal copies of stuff online that the efforts of the RIAA and other anti-piracy groups and legislation have failed? Wrong my confused friend... Had these efforts not been undertaken piracy would have killed the recording industry DEAD.

QFT. Just because individual lawsuits may not have been won does not mean the campaign was a loss. Further Steve is talking about settling for far less then the music industry wanted. If people fear being sued they will look to legitimate avenues to buy like what happened with itunes exploding.

Steve may not have the best idea here but he has an idea and we wont know how good it is till it gets a bit further along. I applaud him for trying something and risking the backlash. To many sit around and complain this is one of the first things I have heard that actually may work.

Yeah I won't deny that. I realize we need regulation sometimes or else the offline and online 'scum' as you called it will wreak havoc.

My issue is not with regulation it's with the idea itself. I have 2 problems with it.

1- Are we sure the technology is sound? If not you can't just round up some innocents with guilty people no matter how small (well, maybe if it was 1:1 million) the number of innocents is.

2- The Blackmail. This is the worst part. The guilty person receives a letter in the mail saying that they were caught downloading illegally and if they don't pay, their name will be posted and EVERYONE will know they watch porn. Not everyone will know you downloaded a copyright file but that that you watch PORN. We live in a very judgmental society still, where being associated with porn (even though it's legal) has consequences. It can bring on issues with your family, friends, co-workers and you can even lose your job for it.

Now imagine that a person was caught downloading gay porn in an area where homosexuality is not tolerated. His life is ruined. Does he deserve that? To take it even further, imagine the guy is straight, high profiled and there was a mistake with the ISP traces. He never downloaded anything. And on and on.

To that I say instead of trying to embarrass/ruin people, if the technology is sound and if a person is caught tell them they can either settle by paying a certain amount or be charged and have their name public for downloading a 'copyright' file without specifying it is porn.

:2 cents:

not like they are going after the actual price amount of what was downloaded, they have worked out the exact price point at where a person gets a lawyer because actually going to court costs too much. no one ends up going to court. they get scared and settle or tell them to fuck off and nothing happens.

Because there is more piracy than ever before. See the recent news on the record breaking number of peers on *just* the pirate bay two weeks ago.

Do you have any citations for that, because the MPAA and RIAA say otherwise. Or are they jus' trippin', dude?

Were there efforts not intended to stop that happening? Or am I misunderstanding what "stopping piracy" means?

What efforts are you discussing? The P2P lawsuits that failed and cost them a fortune that they have ceased doing now?

@Markham
You live in an ex-communist country yet seem to be in favour of more government regulation?

He should move to China, all the internet regulation he could possibly want there.

Or Australia.

I remember marketing on surfer forums many years ago (2006). Even then they would complain if the clips weren't longer than three minutes or hosted on sites like Rapidshare. Even if I threw up a gallery with 12 one minute clips with thumbnail previews and a mere two standard banners there would be guys bitching about it being spam. Some would still bitch if it was only one banner ad.

I'm sure it's possible these days, especially if your goal is primarily introducing a brand but it's got to be pretty tough... I made some sales back then from it but I could feel the resistance and returns dropping over time until I gave it up. There's one forum in one niche that I do some subtle marketing with but the return for the time involved is barely worth it.

Not more. I would just like to see SOME.

Not to the extent that China takes it, just to the extent every country takes offline regulation. If you can't import, sell, publish it offline, why should you be able to do it online?

People, Damian has made numerous posts saying piracy isn't a lost sale. He's also made other stupid posts regarding piracy. He actually points out Brazzers make money from stealing. I can quote them if he argues. At best he's spineless and given in. At worse he supports piracy. Maybe he even fears getting a letter himself.

What he doesn't get is piracy has cost him $1,000s. Maybe he's glad to roll over and stick his ass in the air for the pirates to ream. Others have a bit more back bone.

You never get just SOME government interference.

Either they think something isn't worth doing anything about, or they go right to the point where you can't piss without getting permission from 3 different people first.

I was just really surprised given the country that you live in (no idea when you moved there though) that you would be in favour of governments sticking their nose into things. Maybe your neighbours would have different ideas.