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The only way you are going to get your perfect system is with Stasi like monitoring of EVERYBODY worldwide and even then a lot of people will get picked out for things on suspicion rather than proof.
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What I was saying is someday, someone will find a way take away the anonymity of internet users with the intent to make them accountable for their actions. |
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EVERYTHING you do online being monitored - wouldn't just apply to people that were being naughty. |
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The beauty of Paul's argument is that if enough people followed his advice it really would work. For real. It really would work. Of course, this sort of proactive action will never happen and that's precisely why Markham's idea will never work. Pretty sad really. Lightspeed's plan on the other hand just might work. . |
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I was merely predicting the future based on history and the way a civilized society polices itself. There is also a BIG difference between " everything you do online being monitored " and having some form of " verifiable identification " for each person that chooses to access the internet. |
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Lightspeeds plan will hit Torrents, do Tubes keep logs of who uploads? Because without that the industry will still slide further down the slope. We grew in a time when the customer had no options. Now he has. |
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Google already keeps records of a lot of what people do while they are logged into gmail or any of their other things. Would only really be an extension of that. |
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None of it is really about stopping piracy it's just using piracy for free distribution and hoping for a new revenue stream. With every 'great idea' there are always unforeseen consequences. |
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I read about 'blackmailing' illegal downloaders.
So i think the torrents deliver the gun that is put to the head of the illegal downloaders. Who is quilty when someone pulls the trigger? And i read the people that are downloading are mostly people who won't buy because a lot of these downloaders are underage. So illegal sites let your kids watch uncensored hardcore porn! People who are fighting illegal porn must also do good marketing how to bring it to the public and politics to get their support. |
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For instance...I gave Pornhub a shot as an affiliate. Everybody on here was bragging about how the tubes were a great traffic source and everybody else was getting rich by putting their vids on them. So I gave it a shot. They signed up as an affiliate and I uploaded a few vids. Millions of views over the last 4 months to the vids. SIX sales for them as an affiliate! :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh But I digress...back to the original point: To upload vids you have to create an account as a user. You can't just be anonymous and upload. So when I log into that account there is a big link that says "VIDEOS" and it shows every video that you uploaded as a user. That's easy enough. Now you have me, my email address, and my ip that I am uploading from. Hell, just imagine the data that they collect that way on millions of people. Probably make more money selling lists than they do on the pre-paid spots. So yeah. they DO have logs of who uploaded and what they uploaded. And there is also a big link that says: "PREVIOUSLY VIEWED" on your account page. And that one shows the vids you have recently watched as well. It's all collected and the data is mined and used. Nice and tidy if a subpoena is issued. :) |
Well Robbie, why do you think the lawyers are not going after tubes but going after torrents?
Are they just stupid? Not heard of tube sites? Or does the skanky software they use only work with publicly available trackers? |
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Problem starts when a random guy on an internet board start thinking that he is some kind of a theoretical scientist, a historian, a philosopher or a research professor .. and assume people should MUST read the shit written by them. |
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PREVIOUSLY VIEWED won't count for shit. Prolific uploaders automate their* stuff to a huge number of sites with no actual personal interest in viewing it. *their: Once they have removed your watermark and put their own on - it's their video. Thanks Thanks Thanks Thanks Thanks Thanks Thanks Thanks Thanks Thanks Thanks Thanks |
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PS. By legal sites, I do not mean paysite .. most free sites, blogs, legal tubes, tgps could be legal. |
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It's a social thing. They get off being known as the "go to" guy for big tit stuff for instance. I see it all the time on hundreds of surfer forums we monitor. They DEFINITELY are viewing it. When you get a thread on Claudia-Marie and in between "thanks", you get a guy asking about a specific scene he wants and inquiring if the uploader can find it...and then the uploader responds to that thread...you aren't just talking about "automation" You're talking about a social phenomenon. Until you actually own stuff that is being pirated AND spend a couple of years finding your stuff and figuring out what is really going on....you are just theorizing like so many on here do constantly. If it were just a few "super uploaders" running scripts...we wouldn't be in a world of shit. No, it's MILLIONS of people who can't wait to get home and see how "popular" they are today on the forum. I've even laughed out loud when we take the vids down..and I go back to the thread to see the original uploader moaning and crying because his "hard work" was ruined. :1orglaugh |
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In that way it is much different than having your online activities logged only to be viewed under special circumstance such as a court order. The former watches what you are doing. The latter sees what you've done. |
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But it is marketing talk, offcourse there are other sources. But now the accent is on stealing, sometimes it is better to point to other points than financial. Else people acccuse you of blackmailing innocent illegal downloaders. Sue some minors to pint out that it is s Sodom & Gomorra and you are protecting the kids ;) But on the other hand, if there are more regulations there will be other problems. |
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You work in pornography and think that having the government watch everything customers do online is A Good Idea? |
Extortion sounds like a great idea for this industry.. Until you hit some lawyer that will countersue your ass for libel and defamation. Not that nautilus has to worry about that since his ass is sitting comfortably in russia, but for rest of us? The land of the free. Whatever.
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Then I'll show you where I said I didn't want it. |
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My feelings were that inevitably the internet will end up regulated so people can be held accountable for their actions. It was just a prediction and not my hope. Carry on! |
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Assuming someone is an idiot just because they don't 100% share your point of view is cutting off your own bollocks. I read everything in threads that interest me and as well as trying to contribute if I have an opinion I absorb what other people have said and every now and then they can have written something that makes me think about something differently - this is a good thing. If you are unwilling to accept anybody else's point of view over something you may as well just write fuck-off you surfer, i'm putting you on ignore for every post and leave it at that. |
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I also find it amusing how extremely protective they are of their personal "copyrighted works" such as thumbnails or description. They'd steal other people's work all day long without a second thought, but when some other poster will use their thumbnails, winds change instantly. They'd bitch and moan about "people without honor", damn leeches who cannot do anything productive in their life and only steal other people's "hard work" to boost their forum rep. Oh the irony :pimp |
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Duke at Duke Dollars was THE man as far as working with the surfer forums. Your opinion is good. And it makes sense. But you're talking to people who have actually been doing this. Thanks for your non-real world theories. Yes, some folks have been able to promote a bit through forums and made some sales here and there. No, it's not profitable compared to when stuff was not pirated. It's like pocket change comparatively. The people I have on ignore are people that I'm sick of harassing me. I look back over time and see nothing that they have ever contributed except to troll and insult me. So fuck them. And if you have a problem with me putting people on Ignore...fuck you too. I'll put your ass on there too. I'm interested in knowledge and learning. Not arguing or smart ass remarks. If somebody wants to disagree with what I'm saying and debate it back and forth on a subject that's fine. I love hashing shit out like that. And if a person has more experience on a subject than I do and has a record of success at it...then I'm gonna sit under the learning tree. But the folks I put on ignore have none of that going for them. I'm not going to be insulted by clowns who I run circles around in this business. So don't try to put words or intentions in my mouth. That's just fucking trolling. As for how you THINK things work...that's cool. But just like I do...maybe when it's a subject that you are interested in but you're talking to someone with more knowledge and experience in that particular thing...maybe, just maybe you should listen and learn. Or not. It doesn't really matter because you have no skin in this game and what you think or do isn't going to make any difference. Not being a dick, and I'm not trying to piss you off. I'm just stating the facts. My shit is on the line. Yours isn't. I'm doing things about my content being stolen and have been doing things about it for over 2 years now. You haven't. I do. You talk. That's why I may seem to not put much weight in your opinion. It has none except for the purpose of discussion in which I have no problem with at all. :) |
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No point watermarking someone else's videos really it's something I could never be bothered with. It will get people to a site like a tube but not in numbers that I would consider worth the effort and quite honestly it won't sell shit on it's own. |
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I never claimed to be the first at anything however I don't mind spending time explaining to people who havn't got a clue how something works. Not got a problem with you putting people who are trolling you on ignore but I do think using ignore is the equivalent of someone just sticking their fingers in their ears and going lalala when they feel as if they are losing an argument - and in this case I don't really see why it should be turning into an argument. I still don't really get why you want to constantly keep telling people their opinion and ideas are completely worthless just because they don't own a paysite. |
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Do you have any records of succesfully selling porn at pornbb or any other illegal sharing site? |
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But go back and read what those people whom I put on ignore said in that thread. There were no ideas being given. They are just looking to argue for the sake of argument. Not one of them has any idea what they are talking about, and not one of them had any ideas to share...they were simply wanting to insult people because they think they are so clever. And I don't tell people that everything they say is worthless because they don't own a paysite. If I were discussing traffic with other affiliates who have tgps or tubes or blogs I wouldn't even want the discussion to concern content or paysites. But when the subject at hand has everything to do with owning a paysite and/or content and in my case things that I shoot, edit, update, etc. (a work of love if you will) then what other criteria can there possibly be? Yes, I have heard over and over how mainstream did this or mainstream did that. And I've given it all careful consideration. I'm in this to make money after all so I'm not going to turn away from any ideas that might make a dollar or two. But in the end...I have to use my own experience and knowledge of THIS business to understand what will and won't work. And that includes me personally making a shit ton of mistakes over the years that I have learned hard lessons from. Believe me...those guys in that thread have all been total jerks to me on this forum for a long time. None of them have anything of value to add. None of them have my respect or admiration for anything that they have accomplished. Matter of fact I'd be hard pressed to name anything that they have ever done. Not that it matters...but if they are going to try and talk down to me it's a joke. You know what I mean. When you spend years developing skill sets and gaining proficiency at things, the last thing you want is some poindexter looking over you shoulder trying to tell you how to do it. :1orglaugh So let's get back to the subject. This ain't about me. Or those clowns. And I appreciate your opinions and thoughts. And your ability to have intelligent discourse about something that is damn serious. We all love to clown and bust balls...but this is dead serious. And no room for the clowns of GFY with their shenanigans. I apologize to you if I came off too rough. This damn "ignore" feature has me drunk on power. :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh |
GFY was built on clowns and shenanigans.
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That's strange gideongallery....I was just over at another adult forum that DOES keep surfers out (you have to PROVE you are in the industry, and it's where most business is now taking place since GFY has chosen to be a surfer board).
Anyway, the guy who took down the old wp board just told us his numbers and profit of when he CRUSHED their ass legally. He's preparing to take down two more sites. And he also is telling us the high dollar settlements he went after the users for afterwards. Collected almost instantly and then sued the rest. Fairy tales? Not hardly gideongallery. Now shouldn't you getting in touch with thedoc and getting that project off the ground? It's been months now and you still haven't even written an email. No wonder you are a failure and you are thedoc's BITCH. BWAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAhA |
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HE is the one with the biggest bullshit fairytale on GFY. For 2 years he spun his lines of double talk and crap. And then when thedoc called his bluff...gideongallery ran like a bitch. And thus exposed all his lies as nothing BUT fairytales. The fact that gideongallery of all people would post that picture is what is known as IRONY. :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh :1orglaugh |
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