Germany surrendered and Russia stopped fighting in May of 1945. The atomic bombs in Japan happened months later in August 1945. The Russian Army stopped in Berlin because the war with Germany was over. There was nothing left for Russia to fight.

And by the way, at the time at the close of WWII, the Russian Army would have totally destroyed the US Army in Europe at the time. LOL, the Russians won WWII by themselves. They lost more men KIA than the US had under arms at the time. Our losses were less than a million, while the Russian losses were in the tens of millions - and they still had a lot more men to loose.

10 million? The number is close to 50-60 million.

Not really. The British had their own attempt to build "the bomb" (called Tube Alloys), which started before WWII but the UK didn't have enough resources to pull it off. In fact, the project depended on the US for nearly everything, starting with heavy water.

The US didn't "take the bomb away" from anyone. Once the US committed itself to building the bomb, the UK asked to join the US.

China already is running "shit".. they own enough US companies (along with EU companies) and US debt to be considered "running shit".. they're also the only (more or less) country in the world that actually KNOWS how to make money.. for the greater good.. you have to fuck people over.. cant say id like to live there.. but they're, without a doubt, "winning".. (and congrats, your moronic post made me do my first post..)

unfortunately you are right.

most of the population is lazy and thinks they are "owed" a living, just for being alive. the others that are not lazy are called the employed and most of them do the bare minimum to keep their job and think they deserve double what they are paid.

I've honestly heard conversations of people who are cashiers at grocery stores saying they deserve to get paid $20/hr or more... for WHAT?

Here, IMO, no one cares about anyone else unless it will help them financially or in their career/life. the "downfall" of the US will be greed... if you haven't noticed that already.

Don't get me wrong, I love my country and I feel that I'm the 1% of the population who give a shit and believe you need to work hard for what you deserve, not that its handed to you because you've been working at the same place for 5 years not doing anything more than what you were hired to do.

i think you do. Discovery Channel facts there! :D

The Russian Army stopped at Berlin because the americans stopped outside to let the Russians in. It was all preplanned well in advance.
Okay, you guys had fresh troops but they were thousands of miles away, poorly trained and under the command of a government that didnt really want to enter the war in the first place (It was only because of Roosevelt that america joined in and he had to really argue and push for it), the Russians were close to home and no matter how many troops you send, they can muster more.
Also the battlefield wouldnt have been Germany, it would have been the whole of Eastern Europe and if you would have wanted to take out Russia then you would have fallen foul of what scuppered the German advance - The Russian countryside and the intense winter.

Correct ... China is in the driving seat and has many countries by the nutsack .. especially the US.

So few people realise that China was a major reason for the housing/debt crisis that kicked all this shit off in the US. They have been keeping their currency down by lending wads and wads to America. As soon as America got it all they needed to somehow get rid of it and lend it out, hence the cheap nothing down easy loans .. and we all know how that went. You can thank China for allowing America enough rope to hang itself.

Really? In the same way they didnt take the secret of the tailwing that made Chuck Yeager flight possible?

The Russians did not even take back the entirety of their own country until after the D-Day invasion by the U.S. and other allies. In addition the U.S. and other allies kept German Divisions tied down in Africa and in Italy as well as France...so the Germans were fighting two fronts...which would not have been the case without U.S. troops and other allies. Also in the case of Italy German troops were still tied down on the day the war ended. The U.S. had 16 million people in uniform the day the Germans surrendered...and just as the Germans did...we fought on two fronts. The war with Germany and the Pacific war with Japan.

The Russians would not have done as well as they did without the U.S. supplying them and about 70 percent of Russia's motorized vehicles were supplied by the U.S.

The Russians had more Divisions in Europe at the end of the war than the U.S. did but U.S. Divisions were several thousand men larger than Russian Divisions and we had more troops held in reserve than the Russians did...in addition we were at peak production in war materials and oil and the Russians could not out produce us in either area...so no the Russians would not have destroyed the U.S. forces and in addition we developed the bomb just a few months later and would most definitely used it in a war with the Russians.

The ultimate outcome would have been a Russian loss...end of story.

I use the russians and the germans and kick ass in age of empires 3 online :upsidedow im illkillyou09 if anyone wants game:ak47:

Congrats back at ya! I'll debate WWII history with ya anytime.

Exactly right. The Americans stretched out the Axis powers allowing the Russians to take back Stalingrad and start their long march into Berlin. There's no way Russia wins this war without the US.

The average American is too concerned about their favorite TV show and the people in the know are scratching their heads about what they can do. They don't have any power to effect the changes they know need to happen and if they cause too much trouble to the powers that be they get labeled a terrorist and get locked away without any trial. If they do have power it is usually in their best interest to use it to exploit the system as much as possible.

What then is the solution? I see plenty of problems. I can recommend many steps needed. But see no way of effecting these changes.

Not exactly right, The Battle of Stalingrad took place between July 17, 1942 and February 2, 1943. DDay was June 6, 1945.

The solution is to get educated. The internet has a wealth of knowledge and you can cross reference anything you learn to make your own decisions.

Education is always the answer. And they should be out educating themselves and not watching TV blaming being stupid on other people.

Wait until they make the internet filtered i cant even imagine how dumb downed the population will become.

do you read the posts of some of these GFY guys? turn on your 24/7 cable news station and you can almost hear the GFY posters going along word for word with the news anchors.

I do agree that we as Americans have become afraid of the government, which is a totally fucked up thing.. In a TRUE Democracy, the government should fear the people.

Unfortunately, many Americans simply do not care and a shitload just do not understand how and what goes on.

This 2 party system is broken and does not work.... (Yes, there are more than 2 parties out there, but it all comes down to money...) ideally there should be either 1000 parties or no parties at all, because the world and the nation has changed so much that they simply do not fit into reality. for example: It drives me nuts when someone becomes a Democrat because they are a Republican at heart, but are for Abortion rights, and the same goes for someone who is at heart a Democrat becomes a Republican because they are Anti-Abortion.. The 2 party system is obsolete..
LMFAO! you just answered your own question!

Unions are the primary reason why so many large companies have moved to other countries.

If the large companies move to other countries, then obviously it eliminates the # of Unions... (because what we are left with is low paying non-union jobs).

You answered your own thought just watch any of 24/7 cable news stations or broadcast news shows.

The U.S. entered the war against Germany in 1941...not on D-Day.

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Ok you are correct but Germany had about 12 million men in uniform of which about 850,000 were killed in the Battle of Stalingrad another 91,000 or so were captured, thus the loss of about a million men.

On the other fronts prior to 1945,

Italy?s armies in Africa totaled a force of 256,000 men, of which 182,000 were native troops of moderate fighting capabilities. In February 1941, Lt-General Erwin Rommel arrived in Africa with the advance units of the Afrika Korps. But it wasn't until the American forces landed at Morrocco and Algiers on November 7, 1942. In response Hitler sent 250,000 German and Italian troops into Tunis, Tunisia, on November 11, 1942.

The Allied invasion of mainland Italy was on September 3, 1943.

I will agree that after the allies invaded Italy the German forces were occupied but it wasn't until DDay that the full might of the US and allied forces were felt by Germany requiring them to fight a true two front war. The prior involvement did not have any real effect on Stalingrad.

What....Is...Your...Point? That doesn't prove or disprove what I said. Great job posting historical stats!:thumbsup

Stalingrad was a turning point in the war, not the actual victory. The Russians couldn't have pushed the Nazis back as ferociously had the Americans not stretched the Axis lines thin.

Your criticism of the unions is spot on. They are killing the economy.

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I have to disagree, it was a turning point as you note but it was also a major victory for the Russians. The dealt a blow of taking out 1/12 of the German Army and the remnants of the battle were totally defeated in mind and body. The German Army in Russia was on the defensive from then on.

Do you understand the difference between "turning point" and "total victory"? The Germans were NOT on the defensive from then on if we're only talking about the Russians. After Stalingrad, the Brits turned it up a notch and the Americans kept the Japs occupied. Stalingrad was a turning point, but without the Americans, the Russians would have eventually succumbed.

Great thread, and a lot of good points made!

One major point that is being missed is that this has absolutely nothing to do with the "American people" ..people are people. People (by and large) will function in direct accordance to the political and economic constraints they are placed within.

This has EVERYTHING to do with the criminal elites at the top diligently executing another step of their plan. The political and economic environment is rapidly being changed around the American people by these criminal controllers to accomplish their goals. It has nothing to do with fat, lazy, or ignorant Americans.

America is now set to be liquidated. The industrial base of America is being shipped out so the dollar has no underpinnings left to support it. The US dollar (as the global reserve currency) is being systematically destroyed, and is to be replaced very soon by a global currency backed by SDR?s.

What we are seeing is just another step towards the setup and implementation of a global currency, and then further along down the road, a centrally planned global government.

MetaMan is Uber Ukrainian. He is right.

We can only hope that not all Canadians are as pitifully stupid as you........ why is it that every time some poor white trash, high school drop-out sees a fucking youtube video from Prison Planet he thinks is is instantly educated on world affairs? :helpme

Damn, thought for once it was going to be a nice civil debate. Where did i say "Total Victory"? Read it I said "a major victory". And yes the Germans we're on the defensive on the Eastern Front. The Germans did have a win a few battles but they were slowly being backed out of Russia. Do some research.

ROFL. Couldn't have said it better myself.

no shit sherlock

America = Liberia in 50 years.

Don't know Liberia? Google it. Last i check it was the most fucked up place in the world. A gold mine for people like me/US.

Look at a map then look at a calendar. The Russians were invaded and fought the Nazis from June 1941, and lost tens of millions. We didn't even really land in Europe until June 1944 (D-Day); The Russians fought the Germans for three years on their own and had nearly pushed them back into Germany before we got there. We fought a German Rear Guard action that was already defeated and over stretched when we landed.

We fought for a year after D-Day as the various German armies were falling apart. We missed most of the war while the Russians were fighting it.

:thumbsup Ukrainians rule.

"stupid as me" but yet you bring no valid points to the thread other then to talk about a video that you have probably only seen. things that make you go hmmmm.

i am educated on world affairs. i do something called READING.

African Campaign-Operation Torch started on 8 November 1942

Axis Losses
620,000

Sicily Campaign-Operation Husky began on the night of 9–10 July 1943

Axis Losses
270,000

Italian Campaign-Operation Avalanche started on 9 September 1943 and was still ongoing until the Germans surrendered in 1945

Axis Losses
658,000

Normandy Invasion-Opertaion Overlord on 6 June 1944

Axis Losses
450,000

Most of the protections US workers take for granted thank Unions. Learn history. Unions were really killed during Reagan. After that wages went flat and mom and dad had to work where Dad once was the sole bread winner. The funny thing is the pundits on the radio or on Tv saying unions are awful are all part of a union. Reagan the big anti-union president ,was president of the actors union. I guess the story is unions are bad but not if they are helping you.

I don't need to do any "research" because what you're saying has nothing to do with what I'm saying. Add to the fact that i'm pretty confident that my knowledge of ANY history at ANY point in time trumps yours, and we'll call a spade a spade.

Now, since you apparently have no idea what you're saying, let me clarify. You first stated that after Stalingrad, the Germans were from point on, on the defensive. Now you're saying that the Germans did have a few victories, indicating that at worst, they were on the offensive some of the time. And while you said major victory, it shows that you lack reading comprehension skills because I never argued that. "Major victory" and "turning point" are the same thing. However, whereas I stated that the victory at Stalingrad was the turning point in the war, you hinted at Stalingrad being virtually the end of the war. Add to the fact that you added some nonsense about D-Day and what not, and we have someone who needs to wikipedia his information before he posts.:thumbsup

lol. Everyone knows the russians won WW2. Well everyone except the Americans I guess. The Russians were also far from breaking point at the end and not even close to using up their manpower reserves.

America didnt even want to declare war on Germany, even after Pearl Harbour and waited for Germany to declare war first.

The slanted self centered propaganda history americans seem to be taught is kinda funny. You guys probly think you won WW1 also? heh

You could probably find a shitload of Americans that believe they won in Vietnam too. America does not lose. ESPECIALLY TO COMMIES! :1orglaugh

russia = allies?

in a very loose sense of the word, yes. My enemies enemy is my friend.. Temporarily at least

what were the decisive battles b/w russia and japan?

which battle cruisers did russia have in the pacific?

what was the date russia declared war on germany?

what was the lend-lease program and how did it impact the russian's effort to defeat germany?

This is quite ignorant. While nobody is claiming Americans lost the war, it's just as stupid to claim that the Russians won the war. The Russians were "far from the breaking point" because their commanders did not spare any men, because the British and the Americans stretched the Axis lines thin, and because the Americans engaged the Japanese in a full scale war. Learn your history.

Bullshit, Roosevelt damn well wanted to declare war on Germany as well as most of the democrats, while the protectionists were bitching and moaning. Roosevelt needed an excuse and he got one in Pearl Harbor.

I'll take the "slanted self centered propaganda" over "ignorance of historical facts" any day.

The land lease program was the main reason the US reached it's economic apex during WWII and post WWII. You had the factories churning and people working. You had a trade surplus because we were sending all of our materials overseas. It was wonderful!

ok, you are right. I definitely give credit for the USA fucking up the Japanese and the use of the word winning the war is incorrect. It would have been better for me to say that Russia was primarily responsible for the destruction of the German armed forces while it was the US that was primarily responsible the destruction of Japan.

and yes Russian didnt fight Japan until they were already ruined by the US and then moved their armies in Manchuria for a land grab

is it really a victory going from hitler to stalin?

it also supplied the russians with a huge amount of war machinery that went straight to the eastern front. HUGE.

but you know that. :winkwink:

An excuse to go to war against Japan sure, Germany was a different story and it wasnt a given that war against Japan also meant unrestricted war against Germany. Your welcome to argue what Roosevelt might have wanted to do but it doesnt matter, it was Germany that declared war not the other way around.