this thread has no brown noses

so what happens when the accused surfer says "fuck you, take me to court"...

your lawyer going to go to court on every case?

because imo if you are not willing to go all the way then you are just doing this to make a few bucks which makes you just as much of a scumbag as the pirates...




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Bingo!

I'll give Robbie some free publicity for a change instead of arguing with him.

Seeing as everybody always seems to reference pornBB as if it's THE forum for free shit like nowhere else exists lets go there.

Search "Claudia Marie"

Look through the results and see how much is in Trash and Dead Posts.

The posts exist still = free publicity
The links have been nuked = content not being downloaded by the world and his wife for free

Obviously this doesn't touch torrents or usenet or ftp-servers or carrier pigeons or or or but it's more of an effort towards stopping the actual free sharing side of piracy than just going after people once it has already been shared and using the media to try and make porn into something really embarrassing when it should be seen as entertainment.

generally the amount of money is set just below the amount that would motivate a person to go to court and thus encourage them to settle.

interesting read into the settlement industry:

http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/n...er-factory.ars

gfy: where the settlement industry meets?

I have the resources to fight the battles I choose to fight. And I might lose too, but I guarantee I won't lose TWICE.

44% of the 88% that voted yes have a pirated copy of photoshop running in the background of their latest copied version of windows.

Anyone that doesn't support it, has probably never created anything.

Not me, First off, I run on a Mac, second, I have paid for all my software.

That's what all producers are already doing. What's your point?

And btw do you know that shady filehosters (oron, filesonic and many others) have now new tools to bypass DMCA takedown requests? For example, they now generate as many links to a file as their uploader wants, and when the one is taken down it's easily replaceable, because no file is actually removed and there's no need to reupload.

In spite of this, the strategy described above doesn't work that well now. In the old times when rapidshare was the king they removed and blocked files, so uploaders had to modify them somehow to get them there again. Not so now, with all the new shady filehosters popping around. Now if you nuked a thread and left posts and thumbnails there as a "promo", you're risking that all links to full length full res movies will be operational again within a few days if not hours.

Wrong there.

I support the war on piracy, I just dont know if going after the torrent users is the best way of doing it. Its really not very hard to find a open wifi connection, and dragging people through the mud that actually didnt download pirated porn seems like it could be detrimental to this business as a whole.
It seems like you are spending a lot of money going after the end users when it really should be the websites and tubes that give the content to everyone.
I agree that if someone downloads something illegally they should have to pay, but the way everything is you can not be 100% sure that they downloaded it unless you find it on thier computer. Your even going to have people that will settle that didnt download anything just because they dont want to be dragged through the mud and go to court over it.
I dont even see why people use torrents when you can get almost anything you want off of the illegal tubes or on one of those rapidshare download sites.
The poll really should of said something like: Do you support the war on piracy by going after the end torrent users.

My point is that that is fighting piracy.

Letting everybody have something for free and chasing them afterwards isn't fighting piracy at all it's just using piracy as a source of income.
Find a non-shady filehost :upsidedow

A filehost doesn't get customers/users without having files available and any of their links being posted around at the start. Who did that for them?

I support it, by any and all means necessary.

If content wasn't so frikken easily downloadable, it wouldn't be pirated on the torrents so frikken much.
Can it be any clearer how to fight this war?

Hindsight is 20/20. Streaming only would deter piracy going forward. But it doesn't help for the ton of content already out there.

No, but the problem here is the average porn consumer these days uses tube sites and likely torrent sites as well. Most do not consider it stealing (and technically it is not).

We aren't talking about downloaders, we're going after people resharing the content they already downloaded.

So call it a loss and move forward. The content already out there will become stale in a few months. If you don't make these moves going forward you are as much responsible since it is these days preventable and affordable ...

So lets look at them.

Some people have been saying for years that the more expensive a membership is the more money it makes. Some have been saying the opposite. So an old idea.

[QUOTE]2) Offer non-pirateable content
Why not offer things you cannot download. A hand written letter? A pair of panties?[/QUOTE]

Been saying this for years. Live content is best. Only the clueless think members will give out home addresses to pornographers in any numbers.

Comparing porn to music clearly shows how little you know about porn. But lets run with the idea.

Limited editions of porn scenes 1,000 other sites have in bucket fulls!!!!!!!

Another clueless statement. The cost and skill to produce content that's truly exclusive is way beyond 95% + of sponsors can produce or will pay for. For instance, solo girl. $1,000 a scene is a rough price guide. Don't tell us Met Art do it, because they are in the 5%

Members writing scripts for producers. I thought you were coming up with new ideas. Not old ones.

Yes been saying it for years. Can be a lot more than cam shows as well. I tried to sell this idea to some big sites about 4-5 years ago. We would rig the studio with cameras, put it on line and I would shoot a scene that was clearly getting out of hand. It would follow what most members think happens on a shoot. The idea fell on death ears then and it still does.

Again try getting it past affiliates demanding more and more for their traffic. I actually said on B&B that short term memberships, with limited DL, would work. You reverted to the old VOD model. 99 cents a song might work. Will 99 cents a scene work? How much do you pay affiliates? Remember my $5 porn sites idea? :1orglaugh

Many sites have forums. Very few members post. I have one on my teen site and in both sites message centers.

Such as? Exclusives scenes the same as the other scenes, a fleshlight or what? Maybe a weekend with a model of their choice. :winkwink:

Agreed. The adult Internet has been disappointing it's customers since it first started. Mostly because it believed traffic was King so set about paying the most they could for it. Often paid by fucking customers. Now they send traffic to Dating sites that probably have very few females on their lists. Just to screw the customer and get a few $$$ more.

Stop preaching from my hymn book. :1orglaugh
Since day 1 this industry has rarely spent enough to create content that was good enough to keep members happy. I've posted so many times about this I amazed you have never agreed with me.

Most of your comments display a lack of knowledge of how porn works and Internet porn works. Or old ideas. Getting them all implemented will be tough.

Anyone downloading a torrent is sharing the bits they have downloaded before the file is even completely downloaded. It's possible they never even finish downloading the file. Won't their IPs come up as your lawyers scan for this?

The files we are tracking are full site rips of our most popular sites. I don't care how much of it they are sharing, they are still enabling theft of my content.

If my content is so "stale", then why is it so heavily pirated? Jordan's honeymoon scene is from 2006, but it is still pirated constantly.

Of course I do

Forums are for a lot of people to have a discussion not for personal conversation with the model (or her dog or whoever posts as her).

Steve you asked for ideas and when presented with a clear one you discount it. You either want to prevent piracy or profit from it.

A much easier way would be to separate hosts from publishers. The loop hole in the DMCA was set up to give hosting companies immunity on what their clients or users were uploading. The problem is publishing companies using that law as a loop hole.

If you're hosting content you don't know about, you don't publish it.
If you publish you have to know what you're publishing is legal.

Now get that one past Youtube and a lot of other similar companies. :Oh crap

Why are you even allowing site rips to happen? There is plenty of great software out there that prevents this...

All our sets are available in zip files -- because the review sites lowered our scores if we didn't provide them. I do use anti-siterip scripts, but nothing is effective for very long.

Is your goal to use these threats of lawsuits as another source of income or to scare people into paying for your content through site memberships and DVDs? If anything I think it will just push people to use tubes and direct download sites like Rapidshare or one of the dozen other sites offering the same functionality. It's also possible that people hearing about these lawsuits and seeing people publicly humiliated, not for theft, but for watching porn, may backfire and make people more reluctant to type in their personal details and join a site.

Have you filed copyrights for all your content with the government? Because judges will look for this if someone decides to go to court and may throw your whole case out if you have not.

I am totally in support of you doing what you feel is necessary to legally protect your intellectual property. I do not think this is the answer though and I would not be surprised if the money you get from this will last at most a couple years.

Which is why Damian's idea is crap. Very few even vote on content. Look on the major Tubes and see how many views and how many voted.

Here is a typical one from You porn.

Views: 1,007,400 total

Rating: 4.18 / 5.00 (1,695 ratings)

Yes about 1 - 600 voted.

And 2 comments. :Oh crap

Damian pretends to know something. Truth is he doesn't know anything of any worth.

of course i support the war on piracy? i don't agree with this john doe ip suing thing, but i understand there is little options

The review sites all need to get their heads out of their ass and get on board. Most of them will lower your scores if you are streaming only too. It's not like they are all honest review sites anyway.

I support it wholeheartedly, providing it's done right and accurately targets those who deserve to be targeted.

Anyone whose ever created anything or declared copyright on anything should be behind this.

Period.

both

We are also aggressively dealing with our content on tubes and download sites like rapidshare. We sent out thousands of DMCAs in September alone.

In my experience, no one really cares about what happens to *someone else*.

Yes.

I'll take it. :thumbsup

Then how do you expect what you are doing to deter people from downloading your porn from torrent sites? :)

with that repost, i'm taking a break for a while.

It sort of looks like you disagree with yourself.

Unless you are NOT also stealing or downloading...

1. Free Music
2. Downloading Hollywood Movies via Torrents
3. Watching Tube Videos from Copyrighted Works
4. Using Cracks or Pirate PhotoShop, and other Software Programs.
5. Frequenting Visit and Recommend ANY Tube Site with Copyright Work...

Among countless other examples of theft on the web, you simply need to shut your piehole.

Just because some here steal everything else on the web, and boast and brag about how they have not paid for music in a decade, or they can get cracks to P.S. or other software and then have the BALLS to bitch that because THEY are now being stolen from?


When you start paying for everything you get from the web for free, including music, movies, software, scripts, then you can pitch a bitch. But I would bet you good cash money that most in this thread are hippocrates truth be told. Starting with their music libraries.

Is bitching about tubes and then embedding and sharing (user uploaded) YouTube music videos all over forums also hypocritical :winkwink:

Bollocks. I agree with Barefootsies :(

Do I need to order a big box of toes to chew on?

we all know that no one has been taken to court yet, and no one ever will, that's not how the scheme is setup... it's all just a bluff to extort some $$ from the surfers... whether that is good or bad is debatable... certainly good for lawyers and content producers that participate, they make some easy $$...

for everyone else it's not that clear, one might think that it will discourage other thieves, it may.... but it could just as easily discourage surfers from ever joining paysites... at the end of the day, difference will be trivial, nothing will change, those that stole the content, will continue to do so, those that bought memberships will continue to, only result will be that content producers and lawyers will pocket some easy $$...

Either way, good luck with your venture, hopefully some good will come out of it... :thumbsup

Right. My point exactly.

Do a search on GFY for some post about music, movies, and software from the past and see how many of these same names brag about how they have not paid for music in a decade, and anyone who does so is an idiot. Or people recommending cracked versions of software, or posting up links to copyrighted shit from YouTube. Or even hot linking without permission is technically 'stealing' is you want to get all fancy pants about it.

My point is, people want to cry when THEY are stolen from. But when they have been openly admitting they do it themselves on other non-porn related things, oh well in that case... then THAT is bad. Let's find them and hang em.

:2 cents:

+1......

or doing nothing to prevent pirating in the first place...

lol .....

What I'd *like* and what I *expect* aren't the same. I'd like our suits to deter piracy, but I expect that they won't even make a dent. Either way tho, I win.

This dude with his "Unwinnable Fight" theory is so fucking full of shit.

Mainstream anti-piracy measures have been incredibly successful (within the US). And no I don't think you are against piracy. I have read a bunch of your crap dude, you are pro-piracy, you say you are against piracy just so you don't get attacked here. Sure you may wish that piracy would magically disappear but you would never lift a finger to make that happen, you just say we should just accept piracy and embrace it. This means you are fully pro piracy and thus a Pirate yourself...

Thats right homey - I just called you out as a Pirate. Now run along and go play with your torrents and wait for the summons to come.

http://poseidon.passedoutphotos.com/...jpg?1267093176

Oh, I see now - this is the start of the war on piracy as you stated in the OP, but with no end.

To deal with or end a particular unpleasant or undesirable situation or condition is what my dictionary says on war in this usage...

I'd say it was more of an attack on piracy...[intrans.]make an aggressive or forceful attempt to score a goal or point, or gain or exploit an advantage.

Aggressive attempt to exploit an advantage.... that's what the poll should ask as to whether you're in favour of or not.

Lol, as soon as one goes to court, it's game over. The judge will laugh it out of court because there is no, you know, evidence.

I can't wait for the first one to go to court.

Paul, love, please don't try and compare social interaction via twitter and other forms of social media with a forum. Look, *I know* you don't get twitter, but when you compare it to a youporn forum you really are just making yourself look silly.

By all means come up with a counterpoint, but try and make it make sense. Helps you appear lucid.