If a shoplifter is publicly humiliated, does it make the "average Joe" stop shopping at that store?

Good poll, but sadly pointless on this board. You can have a thread bitching about a company using proven stolen content and get fucking morons complaining in the same thread that they didn't receive their checks yet from said thieving company. (Yes, Silvercash this is directed at you.)

Point is, the bulk of idiots on here are only worried about that next check and could care less who's lying cheating and stealing to make it happen.

Maybe that should be the next step, start suing the affiliates who are promoting and spreading known stolen content for other companies. :2 cents::2 cents:

To be honest I won't feel embarrassed if I got caught stealing a beer. Maybe stupid, but not embarrassed. But getting caught as a John trying to buy sex down the street, ya that's embarrassing.

for the ones actively fighting piracy and content theft, you should look into file-sharers using DC++, its an IRC based networks for P2P file-sharing, it maybe be tough to figure out from the get go how dc++ operates, there are many different channels with different access rules (special interests, + required amount of shared content), some are public some are private, I suspect dc++ is at top level in a distribution chain, very underground. massive amounts of pirated content, not only adult obviously, but there are plenty of adult as well. you can get in there users ip/host mask and list of every file they're sharing at the moment.
kick them where it hurts most.

yes if he gets arrested when he did not steal due to a faulty security camera.

identifying users by ip is not 100% accurate and innocent people are going to be shamed and scared into taking food off their table, that is why some people think is is a bad idea.

also that in creating ill will towards an already mistrusted industry which will see an overall net sales loss once this misadventure has ran it's course.

I'm interested in hearing opposing opinions, so we can collectively form solid rebuttals. If we can address all the opposing arguments intelligently, we'll have a much better chance to gain mainstream support.

I applaud what you guys are doing. Do what you must do, but just keep in mind the long term aspect of this industry instead of short term gain. Just don't make things worst then what they already are.

I can agree with that that and stand corrected.

One of the good things about discussions like this, it really make it's easy to see who to never do business with. In the over ten years I have been in this game, I have, like you, ran strait and honest. No popups, redirects, mailings or any other dirty tricks. Just a simple site that gives what it promises and that's it.

I agree that every measure should be taken to eliminate false positives, and all the cases should be handled with some common sense.

I don't think anyone is looking to "take food off someone's table". But I also think torrent piracy has been going on unopposed for too long, and we have to make a stand, even if the solution isn't perfect.

Fighting piracy yes I aggree with, but this method has nothing to do with fighting piracy and all to do with making money so on this method I do not agree with..


Why ?

Cause it has been tried over here in the UK with porn and mainstream a few years ago and it ended up being one disaster both for the companys and the law companys involved with the letter sending. Whether it ends the same over in the US remains to be seen and only time will tell.

I think this will only hurt porn companys even further with the surfers loosing more confidence and not trusting porn companys. A lot of people allready think we are the scum of the earth and porn should not be allowed on the net.

this thread has no brown noses

so what happens when the accused surfer says "fuck you, take me to court"...

your lawyer going to go to court on every case?

because imo if you are not willing to go all the way then you are just doing this to make a few bucks which makes you just as much of a scumbag as the pirates...




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Bingo!

I'll give Robbie some free publicity for a change instead of arguing with him.

Seeing as everybody always seems to reference pornBB as if it's THE forum for free shit like nowhere else exists lets go there.

Search "Claudia Marie"

Look through the results and see how much is in Trash and Dead Posts.

The posts exist still = free publicity
The links have been nuked = content not being downloaded by the world and his wife for free

Obviously this doesn't touch torrents or usenet or ftp-servers or carrier pigeons or or or but it's more of an effort towards stopping the actual free sharing side of piracy than just going after people once it has already been shared and using the media to try and make porn into something really embarrassing when it should be seen as entertainment.

generally the amount of money is set just below the amount that would motivate a person to go to court and thus encourage them to settle.

interesting read into the settlement industry:

http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/n...er-factory.ars

gfy: where the settlement industry meets?

I have the resources to fight the battles I choose to fight. And I might lose too, but I guarantee I won't lose TWICE.

44% of the 88% that voted yes have a pirated copy of photoshop running in the background of their latest copied version of windows.

Anyone that doesn't support it, has probably never created anything.

Not me, First off, I run on a Mac, second, I have paid for all my software.

That's what all producers are already doing. What's your point?

And btw do you know that shady filehosters (oron, filesonic and many others) have now new tools to bypass DMCA takedown requests? For example, they now generate as many links to a file as their uploader wants, and when the one is taken down it's easily replaceable, because no file is actually removed and there's no need to reupload.

In spite of this, the strategy described above doesn't work that well now. In the old times when rapidshare was the king they removed and blocked files, so uploaders had to modify them somehow to get them there again. Not so now, with all the new shady filehosters popping around. Now if you nuked a thread and left posts and thumbnails there as a "promo", you're risking that all links to full length full res movies will be operational again within a few days if not hours.

Wrong there.

I support the war on piracy, I just dont know if going after the torrent users is the best way of doing it. Its really not very hard to find a open wifi connection, and dragging people through the mud that actually didnt download pirated porn seems like it could be detrimental to this business as a whole.
It seems like you are spending a lot of money going after the end users when it really should be the websites and tubes that give the content to everyone.
I agree that if someone downloads something illegally they should have to pay, but the way everything is you can not be 100% sure that they downloaded it unless you find it on thier computer. Your even going to have people that will settle that didnt download anything just because they dont want to be dragged through the mud and go to court over it.
I dont even see why people use torrents when you can get almost anything you want off of the illegal tubes or on one of those rapidshare download sites.
The poll really should of said something like: Do you support the war on piracy by going after the end torrent users.

My point is that that is fighting piracy.

Letting everybody have something for free and chasing them afterwards isn't fighting piracy at all it's just using piracy as a source of income.
Find a non-shady filehost :upsidedow

A filehost doesn't get customers/users without having files available and any of their links being posted around at the start. Who did that for them?

I support it, by any and all means necessary.

If content wasn't so frikken easily downloadable, it wouldn't be pirated on the torrents so frikken much.
Can it be any clearer how to fight this war?

Hindsight is 20/20. Streaming only would deter piracy going forward. But it doesn't help for the ton of content already out there.

No, but the problem here is the average porn consumer these days uses tube sites and likely torrent sites as well. Most do not consider it stealing (and technically it is not).

We aren't talking about downloaders, we're going after people resharing the content they already downloaded.

So call it a loss and move forward. The content already out there will become stale in a few months. If you don't make these moves going forward you are as much responsible since it is these days preventable and affordable ...

So lets look at them.

Some people have been saying for years that the more expensive a membership is the more money it makes. Some have been saying the opposite. So an old idea.

[QUOTE]2) Offer non-pirateable content
Why not offer things you cannot download. A hand written letter? A pair of panties?[/QUOTE]

Been saying this for years. Live content is best. Only the clueless think members will give out home addresses to pornographers in any numbers.

Comparing porn to music clearly shows how little you know about porn. But lets run with the idea.

Limited editions of porn scenes 1,000 other sites have in bucket fulls!!!!!!!

Another clueless statement. The cost and skill to produce content that's truly exclusive is way beyond 95% + of sponsors can produce or will pay for. For instance, solo girl. $1,000 a scene is a rough price guide. Don't tell us Met Art do it, because they are in the 5%

Members writing scripts for producers. I thought you were coming up with new ideas. Not old ones.

Yes been saying it for years. Can be a lot more than cam shows as well. I tried to sell this idea to some big sites about 4-5 years ago. We would rig the studio with cameras, put it on line and I would shoot a scene that was clearly getting out of hand. It would follow what most members think happens on a shoot. The idea fell on death ears then and it still does.

Again try getting it past affiliates demanding more and more for their traffic. I actually said on B&B that short term memberships, with limited DL, would work. You reverted to the old VOD model. 99 cents a song might work. Will 99 cents a scene work? How much do you pay affiliates? Remember my $5 porn sites idea? :1orglaugh

Many sites have forums. Very few members post. I have one on my teen site and in both sites message centers.

Such as? Exclusives scenes the same as the other scenes, a fleshlight or what? Maybe a weekend with a model of their choice. :winkwink:

Agreed. The adult Internet has been disappointing it's customers since it first started. Mostly because it believed traffic was King so set about paying the most they could for it. Often paid by fucking customers. Now they send traffic to Dating sites that probably have very few females on their lists. Just to screw the customer and get a few $$$ more.

Stop preaching from my hymn book. :1orglaugh
Since day 1 this industry has rarely spent enough to create content that was good enough to keep members happy. I've posted so many times about this I amazed you have never agreed with me.

Most of your comments display a lack of knowledge of how porn works and Internet porn works. Or old ideas. Getting them all implemented will be tough.

Anyone downloading a torrent is sharing the bits they have downloaded before the file is even completely downloaded. It's possible they never even finish downloading the file. Won't their IPs come up as your lawyers scan for this?

The files we are tracking are full site rips of our most popular sites. I don't care how much of it they are sharing, they are still enabling theft of my content.

If my content is so "stale", then why is it so heavily pirated? Jordan's honeymoon scene is from 2006, but it is still pirated constantly.

Of course I do

Forums are for a lot of people to have a discussion not for personal conversation with the model (or her dog or whoever posts as her).

Steve you asked for ideas and when presented with a clear one you discount it. You either want to prevent piracy or profit from it.

A much easier way would be to separate hosts from publishers. The loop hole in the DMCA was set up to give hosting companies immunity on what their clients or users were uploading. The problem is publishing companies using that law as a loop hole.

If you're hosting content you don't know about, you don't publish it.
If you publish you have to know what you're publishing is legal.

Now get that one past Youtube and a lot of other similar companies. :Oh crap

Why are you even allowing site rips to happen? There is plenty of great software out there that prevents this...

All our sets are available in zip files -- because the review sites lowered our scores if we didn't provide them. I do use anti-siterip scripts, but nothing is effective for very long.

Is your goal to use these threats of lawsuits as another source of income or to scare people into paying for your content through site memberships and DVDs? If anything I think it will just push people to use tubes and direct download sites like Rapidshare or one of the dozen other sites offering the same functionality. It's also possible that people hearing about these lawsuits and seeing people publicly humiliated, not for theft, but for watching porn, may backfire and make people more reluctant to type in their personal details and join a site.

Have you filed copyrights for all your content with the government? Because judges will look for this if someone decides to go to court and may throw your whole case out if you have not.

I am totally in support of you doing what you feel is necessary to legally protect your intellectual property. I do not think this is the answer though and I would not be surprised if the money you get from this will last at most a couple years.

Which is why Damian's idea is crap. Very few even vote on content. Look on the major Tubes and see how many views and how many voted.

Here is a typical one from You porn.

Views: 1,007,400 total

Rating: 4.18 / 5.00 (1,695 ratings)

Yes about 1 - 600 voted.

And 2 comments. :Oh crap

Damian pretends to know something. Truth is he doesn't know anything of any worth.