100 clueless old ladies making monthly payments to steve out of their bus fare money.

And in case my vote on that isn't clear - NO

I cannot vote on this public poll, since I do support fighting piracy. I do not support this direction though.

Oh, cool. You are now actually claiming I am a pirate. Brilliant. Provide evidence or be banned.

(And sending me a letter saying you think I am a pirate and demanding 500 bucks will not be accepted as evidence).

9) False accusations against a person or company. We all want to know what companies and individuals have done you wrong. Just make sure you back any claims you make up with solid proof. If you plan on calling someone a scammer, liar, cheat, or anything else, have your proof in order and post it with your claim. False accusations will be grounds for immediate banning.

you do?

or do the lawyers?

They are doing all the work on contingency, so I have nothing to lose here.

fair enough. Best of luck with this, it is a very clever idea.

i believe the reason you're getting so much opposing feedback isn't so much a lack of support for your attempts to combat this plague that is effecting everyone, but the chance that this isn't something that is 100% and probably will damage our industries reputation.

You obviously you never have been sued civilly.

Let me tell you getting sued civilly seriously sux!




1st off unlike criminal court, in civil court you must retain your own council at your own expense. That alone will be a $1500 minimum retainer just to start.

2nd if you do not retain council, you will not be able to address the court. If you do not have a bar number or an attorney, you cannot defend yourself. Keep in mind this isn't peoples court or small claims court where you can defend yourself. This is big peoples court with big peoples consequences when you loose.

3rd- People without attorneys will loose and get court set judgements against them. And people that don't show up will get automatic judgements against them(usually a lot higher, because judges hate when you disrespect their court by not showing up).

4th-With a court judgement the plaintiff can garnish your bank account till its paid. Lean your "real" property till the judgement is paid and garnish your wages until all moneys in the judgement is paid.



Getting sued sux ass and ignoring it is way worse.

Mr Lightspeed is gonna turn some heads and he is gonna take some heads with this. If it is done right,(which i think it will), this will not yield the profit that people are thinking. But will prove the point that needs to be proven. And that is "IF YOU ARE GONNA STEAL MY SHIT YOU WILL BE SUED." A few wins and a few judgments later this project will generate its own funding.

Suing people isn't cheap, but if you have a few bright attorneys that want to make a name for them selves and are willing to deal, it can easily be streamlined where it can be done as easy as a DMCA.


I think this is a good start. This isn't a profit making move, its a way to make a very important point. One that has needed to be made a while ago.

I have no respect for pathetic people that resort to thieving scumbag lawyers as a business model, when they couldn't evolve their business due to their narrowminded inflated egos. You guys have become those "old people" that tried to fight rock and roll in the 1950s. I pity you all and laugh at your weakness. There are 1000s of FREE signups a day from ALL these traffic sources.

love you too, George... xoxoxo

Just to say, I'm officially bowing out of these discussions. People are unable to present a counterpoint to a situation with resorting to name calling and swearing and wrongful accusations of criminal activity then, imho, they have lost.

I am sure the people involved will get what they deserve.

Have fun pissing on each other.

I'm going down the pub.

xxx

Steve you WERE a pioneer man, you had that teen market NAILED. I have so much respect for what you did, all that, I swear...... BUT times have changed and you stayed the same. Good luck with your battles.

I support it, but I don't support the method that Lightspeed is going about it.

Clever wording of the poll to maybe help pump up a deflated ego perhaps?

crap , i need to read better next time.
should have been yes i support , but no i dont supported it with cash

This is the wrong analogy. You're not trying to publicly humiliate the individual for stealing. You're trying to publicly humilate them for watching your content.

This is a very short sighted strategy. You're basically asking the mainstream media to pick up a story that you should be embarrassed if you view porn. You're just pushing more and more people to not pay for porn and view it free and anonymously via tubes.

You keep asking for additional ideas. Why not use Robbie's strategy, only allow streaming inside the members area? I'm not going to go into detail on every aspect of what he is doing (as I dont know) but I'm sure he would explain it to you. He claims you cant find any new content out there and every month sets a new record. It would appear its working. I realize that all of your old content is already out there but you have to start sometime. Imagine if every content producer got on board, and instead of preaching that porn is embarrassing, provided a unified front that all new content is stream only. "Like Jordan Capri's honeymoon video, you'll definitely want to see what she's up to now" etc.

And on a side note: How much new content are you actually producing compared to 5 years ago? It's a serious question as I have no idea.

We are not music those ideas wont work for adult. No one is going buy a special edition of cum blowing sluts.We arent NIN. Music can charge 99 cents one because they have more people interested and secondly they go on tour which we cant do. Alot of people dont want hard goods is proof they are looking at porn. Alot buy porn and look at it at work.
Also people stealing porn arent customers. Customers just buy they dont hang out on torrent sites.

welcome to ignore.

we all like to play arm chair lawyer, it's fun... but face it dude, it's a bluff... stakes are high, so most will fold, but it's still a bluff... no one is going to start a lawsuit over it, it's just as expensive to sue someone as it is to defend yourself... (filing fees + lawyer fees, dozens of lawyer-hours, over all it will cost $1000s to sue someone)... and then here is the kicker, even if you win, you still lose, good luck collecting any $$ from some unemployed idiot who downloaded some porn via a torrent...

if you don't think so, lets see some links to some court proceeding transcripts of successful cases that were filed....:2 cents:

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Exactly. So many people try to point that out to him. Not ever sure if he gets it.

i don't think anyone gives a shit if you take down tubes and boards loaded with content or even people who make their money from hotfile it's just this tactic leaves a bad taste in people's mouths man. but whatever it's your life and this is just a stupid message board.

I voted yes. But I think this is the absolute wrong way to go about it. I am sure the lawyer convinced you Steve it was a good idea. But for them. This will not curb piracy. You go after the guys making the money, torrents, tubes and file sharing.

There will always be piracy. Welcome to the digital era! Artists have to give their products something different, something unique, something that actually makes people want to buy the original instead of just downloading the content from a torrent.

i was about to respond to that post, but you summed it up nicely... :thumbsup



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Only surfers and troll vote for the last 2 options. everybody doing at least what he/she can against piracy has my respect. :pimp

That cracks me up every time i read it. Don't forget that we will be kicking them with our army boots too. :1orglaugh

You are right to a point.

But if you have hungry attorneys out there working for Steve on "contingency", then some shit will get done. These guys are not in the business to work their asses off and not get paid.

If this gets played like a numbers game, like it seems it is, people will be paying up. All people? No way. But i think enough to keep it going.



As far as arm chair lawyer, i finished law school. How about you?


But with this subject which is very broad and very "wild wild west", i feel anything can happen either way.


But you got to admit, you got to throw serious respect to whomever is heading up this charge.:2 cents:



Steve, good luck with your thread and your argument, im out the door to Disneyland:thumbsup

The reason I don't support is not because I want anyone's content stolen, however I don't think a 'WAR' per say is a viable long term solution. Your war on piracy is just as good as the war on drugs. It's an endless chase. I opt for creative risk management solutions to take advantage of a cold reality that's not going to go away. Declaring a 'war' is merely a reaction and a more proactive approach needs to be taken at the same time. Taking a closer look at the music industries adaption and video on demand for digital content delivery will give you some ideas to start with.

With all that being said, I wish you the best as I understand you're trying to protect your business and your well being.

The only music industry parallel worth having is going to be iTunes.porn

OH NOES!!!

Careful now or someone will say your full of bullshit or talking out your ass.

I guess it would be tough if your a semi rehabilitated drug addict and hoe chaser waking up to see your business gone.

+1

fact is this war is going to result in a backlash that will make it even harder to protect your content

hiring a divorce lawyer to do your copyright work, is the stupidest move these guys could do. Divorce lawyers don't understand fair use, international privacy rights, etc

all it would take is one person fighting this based on those laws and the house of cards would not only colapse but the another precedent will be set to hide behind.

It exactly like the teen revenue, unfair business practices arguement that i predicted would fail. because of their fuck up with that case, if you want to now make an unfair business practices complaint, you now have to prove that actions are not covered by fair use. In other words the DMCA safe harbor has basically been extended to unfair buessiness practices suits too.

the settlements of other people are a defence given the method in which bit torrent works (both the seeding and the downloading of the previous settling people is now authorized by the copyright holder)

your setting up a really bad precedent for the legitimate fights and that just stupid.

Ideas for short term revenue always cloud long-term goals

Yes, because the war on drugs and war on terrorism are going just great. Pour more fuel on the fire!

Lower your goddamn prices... porn cartels FTL

As a surfer looking in, it's clear adult has to do SOMETHING or it will perish eventually. Not so much perish as in there won't be porn online, but at some point it just won't make sense to make new content, and the actual people that make content will move on to other things. Since all the old stuff will be out there for free, it'll be basically suckering people into paying for porn at that point (i.e. like GoDaddy suckers people to pay for cash parking when almost every other site provides it for free).

Whether I agree with Steve's methods or not, he's doing SOMETHING. The rest of you are booing it while doing NOTHING. If you don't like what HE'S doing, then YOU organize something that will have an effect against piracy. He's doing what he's doing because the industry simply won't collectively do shit about piracy...if the rest of you came together and came up with a better solution, he wouldn't need to do this. But you won't...too busy whining about no sales to do shit.

I agree. https://gfy.com/image.php?u=6177&dateline=1284649507

Basically serparating/redefining the hosting "safe-harbor" to permit actual hosting of content to be legal. Anybody with a webpage/link to illegal content loses the safe harbor.

Actually I have the lawyers from the legal department at one of my B&M clients making these suggestions to legislators all over the world while they are there(getting regulations modified).

Let's make a little wager. Let's both send our September 2010 income statements to a neutral third party, along with $1000 in cash. Whoever made more money last month wins the money.

Since you are so convinced that my business is "gone", let's see if you'll put your money where your mouth is, or back down like the pussy keyboard warrior we all know you to be.

Game ON.

How would this apply to something like YouTube? please elaborate

lol steve update your sites you suck now man.

1999 is over.

Somehow I don't think you know jack shit about what works for a large sologirl network. :2 cents:

Hello Steve, i voted NO. Not that i support piracy i really cant stand it, but maybe turning it too illegal will become like drugs and a new kind of criminals could start raising, selling piracy in volumes to people who want to make money with this selling it cheaper, by selling maybe memberships on sites full of piracy, then people will decide to buy the cheaper membership that brings a bundle of all sites together for a cheaper price, rather than going to 3 sites and getting 3 memberships. Im sure that making this a crime will of course lower piracy but remember that theres a lot of money involved in everything that becomes illegal

thank you

I sure the hell do! Great job.

I support this. Don't stop until every fucking thief is shut down!

Excluding the "don't care" people, its now 81% for and 19% against. Thanks to all for your votes and comments.

Steve Lightspeed

Rather than giving the review sites a full access login/pass to review the sites, you sent them a zip file of your sites? Is this normal behaviour for getting your sites reviewed?

The cynic in me wants to suggest that this was the beginning of seeding the torrents to collect IPs with the goal of making cash from the torrents, because if not why didn't you simply "seed" the zips with unique identifiers so you could back trace those zips back to the original pirate and simply sue them?

--edit
my bad, Steve confirmed in his other thread that the site rips are available to members. I thought he was giving them to review sites. Still, adding unique identifiers to those zips would confirm the original pirate.... so aversion and more targetted suing could have been implemented.

"No thieves will inherit the Kingdom of God" - 2 Corint.

and neither will pornographers....so man up or burn up

"Having eyes full of adultery that cannot cease from sin. Cursed children" - 2 Peter

No I don't.

And the reasons are not because I support piracy, quite the opposite. This is to do with making money rather than fighting piracy.

will someone please ban this assclown?

i would like to see some large companies going after the big tube sites also. i wonder what that for a impact would be if like 10 of those larger tube sites go offline.

also , a lot of ppl here are supporting the tube sites with ads...

Troll post #45: You should have bought the Tube sites when you could afford to

Who is the Netflix of porn?