of course i support the war on piracy? i don't agree with this john doe ip suing thing, but i understand there is little options

The review sites all need to get their heads out of their ass and get on board. Most of them will lower your scores if you are streaming only too. It's not like they are all honest review sites anyway.

I support it wholeheartedly, providing it's done right and accurately targets those who deserve to be targeted.

Anyone whose ever created anything or declared copyright on anything should be behind this.

Period.

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We are also aggressively dealing with our content on tubes and download sites like rapidshare. We sent out thousands of DMCAs in September alone.

In my experience, no one really cares about what happens to *someone else*.

Yes.

I'll take it. :thumbsup

Then how do you expect what you are doing to deter people from downloading your porn from torrent sites? :)

with that repost, i'm taking a break for a while.

It sort of looks like you disagree with yourself.

Unless you are NOT also stealing or downloading...

1. Free Music
2. Downloading Hollywood Movies via Torrents
3. Watching Tube Videos from Copyrighted Works
4. Using Cracks or Pirate PhotoShop, and other Software Programs.
5. Frequenting Visit and Recommend ANY Tube Site with Copyright Work...

Among countless other examples of theft on the web, you simply need to shut your piehole.

Just because some here steal everything else on the web, and boast and brag about how they have not paid for music in a decade, or they can get cracks to P.S. or other software and then have the BALLS to bitch that because THEY are now being stolen from?


When you start paying for everything you get from the web for free, including music, movies, software, scripts, then you can pitch a bitch. But I would bet you good cash money that most in this thread are hippocrates truth be told. Starting with their music libraries.

Is bitching about tubes and then embedding and sharing (user uploaded) YouTube music videos all over forums also hypocritical :winkwink:

Bollocks. I agree with Barefootsies :(

Do I need to order a big box of toes to chew on?

we all know that no one has been taken to court yet, and no one ever will, that's not how the scheme is setup... it's all just a bluff to extort some $$ from the surfers... whether that is good or bad is debatable... certainly good for lawyers and content producers that participate, they make some easy $$...

for everyone else it's not that clear, one might think that it will discourage other thieves, it may.... but it could just as easily discourage surfers from ever joining paysites... at the end of the day, difference will be trivial, nothing will change, those that stole the content, will continue to do so, those that bought memberships will continue to, only result will be that content producers and lawyers will pocket some easy $$...

Either way, good luck with your venture, hopefully some good will come out of it... :thumbsup

Right. My point exactly.

Do a search on GFY for some post about music, movies, and software from the past and see how many of these same names brag about how they have not paid for music in a decade, and anyone who does so is an idiot. Or people recommending cracked versions of software, or posting up links to copyrighted shit from YouTube. Or even hot linking without permission is technically 'stealing' is you want to get all fancy pants about it.

My point is, people want to cry when THEY are stolen from. But when they have been openly admitting they do it themselves on other non-porn related things, oh well in that case... then THAT is bad. Let's find them and hang em.

:2 cents:

+1......

or doing nothing to prevent pirating in the first place...

lol .....

What I'd *like* and what I *expect* aren't the same. I'd like our suits to deter piracy, but I expect that they won't even make a dent. Either way tho, I win.

This dude with his "Unwinnable Fight" theory is so fucking full of shit.

Mainstream anti-piracy measures have been incredibly successful (within the US). And no I don't think you are against piracy. I have read a bunch of your crap dude, you are pro-piracy, you say you are against piracy just so you don't get attacked here. Sure you may wish that piracy would magically disappear but you would never lift a finger to make that happen, you just say we should just accept piracy and embrace it. This means you are fully pro piracy and thus a Pirate yourself...

Thats right homey - I just called you out as a Pirate. Now run along and go play with your torrents and wait for the summons to come.

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Oh, I see now - this is the start of the war on piracy as you stated in the OP, but with no end.

To deal with or end a particular unpleasant or undesirable situation or condition is what my dictionary says on war in this usage...

I'd say it was more of an attack on piracy...[intrans.]make an aggressive or forceful attempt to score a goal or point, or gain or exploit an advantage.

Aggressive attempt to exploit an advantage.... that's what the poll should ask as to whether you're in favour of or not.

Lol, as soon as one goes to court, it's game over. The judge will laugh it out of court because there is no, you know, evidence.

I can't wait for the first one to go to court.

Paul, love, please don't try and compare social interaction via twitter and other forms of social media with a forum. Look, *I know* you don't get twitter, but when you compare it to a youporn forum you really are just making yourself look silly.

By all means come up with a counterpoint, but try and make it make sense. Helps you appear lucid.

100 clueless old ladies making monthly payments to steve out of their bus fare money.

And in case my vote on that isn't clear - NO

I cannot vote on this public poll, since I do support fighting piracy. I do not support this direction though.

Oh, cool. You are now actually claiming I am a pirate. Brilliant. Provide evidence or be banned.

(And sending me a letter saying you think I am a pirate and demanding 500 bucks will not be accepted as evidence).

9) False accusations against a person or company. We all want to know what companies and individuals have done you wrong. Just make sure you back any claims you make up with solid proof. If you plan on calling someone a scammer, liar, cheat, or anything else, have your proof in order and post it with your claim. False accusations will be grounds for immediate banning.

you do?

or do the lawyers?

They are doing all the work on contingency, so I have nothing to lose here.

fair enough. Best of luck with this, it is a very clever idea.

i believe the reason you're getting so much opposing feedback isn't so much a lack of support for your attempts to combat this plague that is effecting everyone, but the chance that this isn't something that is 100% and probably will damage our industries reputation.

You obviously you never have been sued civilly.

Let me tell you getting sued civilly seriously sux!




1st off unlike criminal court, in civil court you must retain your own council at your own expense. That alone will be a $1500 minimum retainer just to start.

2nd if you do not retain council, you will not be able to address the court. If you do not have a bar number or an attorney, you cannot defend yourself. Keep in mind this isn't peoples court or small claims court where you can defend yourself. This is big peoples court with big peoples consequences when you loose.

3rd- People without attorneys will loose and get court set judgements against them. And people that don't show up will get automatic judgements against them(usually a lot higher, because judges hate when you disrespect their court by not showing up).

4th-With a court judgement the plaintiff can garnish your bank account till its paid. Lean your "real" property till the judgement is paid and garnish your wages until all moneys in the judgement is paid.



Getting sued sux ass and ignoring it is way worse.

Mr Lightspeed is gonna turn some heads and he is gonna take some heads with this. If it is done right,(which i think it will), this will not yield the profit that people are thinking. But will prove the point that needs to be proven. And that is "IF YOU ARE GONNA STEAL MY SHIT YOU WILL BE SUED." A few wins and a few judgments later this project will generate its own funding.

Suing people isn't cheap, but if you have a few bright attorneys that want to make a name for them selves and are willing to deal, it can easily be streamlined where it can be done as easy as a DMCA.


I think this is a good start. This isn't a profit making move, its a way to make a very important point. One that has needed to be made a while ago.

I have no respect for pathetic people that resort to thieving scumbag lawyers as a business model, when they couldn't evolve their business due to their narrowminded inflated egos. You guys have become those "old people" that tried to fight rock and roll in the 1950s. I pity you all and laugh at your weakness. There are 1000s of FREE signups a day from ALL these traffic sources.

love you too, George... xoxoxo

Just to say, I'm officially bowing out of these discussions. People are unable to present a counterpoint to a situation with resorting to name calling and swearing and wrongful accusations of criminal activity then, imho, they have lost.

I am sure the people involved will get what they deserve.

Have fun pissing on each other.

I'm going down the pub.

xxx

Steve you WERE a pioneer man, you had that teen market NAILED. I have so much respect for what you did, all that, I swear...... BUT times have changed and you stayed the same. Good luck with your battles.

I support it, but I don't support the method that Lightspeed is going about it.

Clever wording of the poll to maybe help pump up a deflated ego perhaps?

crap , i need to read better next time.
should have been yes i support , but no i dont supported it with cash

This is the wrong analogy. You're not trying to publicly humiliate the individual for stealing. You're trying to publicly humilate them for watching your content.

This is a very short sighted strategy. You're basically asking the mainstream media to pick up a story that you should be embarrassed if you view porn. You're just pushing more and more people to not pay for porn and view it free and anonymously via tubes.

You keep asking for additional ideas. Why not use Robbie's strategy, only allow streaming inside the members area? I'm not going to go into detail on every aspect of what he is doing (as I dont know) but I'm sure he would explain it to you. He claims you cant find any new content out there and every month sets a new record. It would appear its working. I realize that all of your old content is already out there but you have to start sometime. Imagine if every content producer got on board, and instead of preaching that porn is embarrassing, provided a unified front that all new content is stream only. "Like Jordan Capri's honeymoon video, you'll definitely want to see what she's up to now" etc.

And on a side note: How much new content are you actually producing compared to 5 years ago? It's a serious question as I have no idea.

We are not music those ideas wont work for adult. No one is going buy a special edition of cum blowing sluts.We arent NIN. Music can charge 99 cents one because they have more people interested and secondly they go on tour which we cant do. Alot of people dont want hard goods is proof they are looking at porn. Alot buy porn and look at it at work.
Also people stealing porn arent customers. Customers just buy they dont hang out on torrent sites.

welcome to ignore.

we all like to play arm chair lawyer, it's fun... but face it dude, it's a bluff... stakes are high, so most will fold, but it's still a bluff... no one is going to start a lawsuit over it, it's just as expensive to sue someone as it is to defend yourself... (filing fees + lawyer fees, dozens of lawyer-hours, over all it will cost $1000s to sue someone)... and then here is the kicker, even if you win, you still lose, good luck collecting any $$ from some unemployed idiot who downloaded some porn via a torrent...

if you don't think so, lets see some links to some court proceeding transcripts of successful cases that were filed....:2 cents:

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Exactly. So many people try to point that out to him. Not ever sure if he gets it.

i don't think anyone gives a shit if you take down tubes and boards loaded with content or even people who make their money from hotfile it's just this tactic leaves a bad taste in people's mouths man. but whatever it's your life and this is just a stupid message board.