I voted yes. But I think this is the absolute wrong way to go about it. I am sure the lawyer convinced you Steve it was a good idea. But for them. This will not curb piracy. You go after the guys making the money, torrents, tubes and file sharing.

There will always be piracy. Welcome to the digital era! Artists have to give their products something different, something unique, something that actually makes people want to buy the original instead of just downloading the content from a torrent.

i was about to respond to that post, but you summed it up nicely... :thumbsup



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Only surfers and troll vote for the last 2 options. everybody doing at least what he/she can against piracy has my respect. :pimp

That cracks me up every time i read it. Don't forget that we will be kicking them with our army boots too. :1orglaugh

You are right to a point.

But if you have hungry attorneys out there working for Steve on "contingency", then some shit will get done. These guys are not in the business to work their asses off and not get paid.

If this gets played like a numbers game, like it seems it is, people will be paying up. All people? No way. But i think enough to keep it going.



As far as arm chair lawyer, i finished law school. How about you?


But with this subject which is very broad and very "wild wild west", i feel anything can happen either way.


But you got to admit, you got to throw serious respect to whomever is heading up this charge.:2 cents:



Steve, good luck with your thread and your argument, im out the door to Disneyland:thumbsup

The reason I don't support is not because I want anyone's content stolen, however I don't think a 'WAR' per say is a viable long term solution. Your war on piracy is just as good as the war on drugs. It's an endless chase. I opt for creative risk management solutions to take advantage of a cold reality that's not going to go away. Declaring a 'war' is merely a reaction and a more proactive approach needs to be taken at the same time. Taking a closer look at the music industries adaption and video on demand for digital content delivery will give you some ideas to start with.

With all that being said, I wish you the best as I understand you're trying to protect your business and your well being.

The only music industry parallel worth having is going to be iTunes.porn

OH NOES!!!

Careful now or someone will say your full of bullshit or talking out your ass.

I guess it would be tough if your a semi rehabilitated drug addict and hoe chaser waking up to see your business gone.

+1

fact is this war is going to result in a backlash that will make it even harder to protect your content

hiring a divorce lawyer to do your copyright work, is the stupidest move these guys could do. Divorce lawyers don't understand fair use, international privacy rights, etc

all it would take is one person fighting this based on those laws and the house of cards would not only colapse but the another precedent will be set to hide behind.

It exactly like the teen revenue, unfair business practices arguement that i predicted would fail. because of their fuck up with that case, if you want to now make an unfair business practices complaint, you now have to prove that actions are not covered by fair use. In other words the DMCA safe harbor has basically been extended to unfair buessiness practices suits too.

the settlements of other people are a defence given the method in which bit torrent works (both the seeding and the downloading of the previous settling people is now authorized by the copyright holder)

your setting up a really bad precedent for the legitimate fights and that just stupid.

Ideas for short term revenue always cloud long-term goals

Yes, because the war on drugs and war on terrorism are going just great. Pour more fuel on the fire!

Lower your goddamn prices... porn cartels FTL

As a surfer looking in, it's clear adult has to do SOMETHING or it will perish eventually. Not so much perish as in there won't be porn online, but at some point it just won't make sense to make new content, and the actual people that make content will move on to other things. Since all the old stuff will be out there for free, it'll be basically suckering people into paying for porn at that point (i.e. like GoDaddy suckers people to pay for cash parking when almost every other site provides it for free).

Whether I agree with Steve's methods or not, he's doing SOMETHING. The rest of you are booing it while doing NOTHING. If you don't like what HE'S doing, then YOU organize something that will have an effect against piracy. He's doing what he's doing because the industry simply won't collectively do shit about piracy...if the rest of you came together and came up with a better solution, he wouldn't need to do this. But you won't...too busy whining about no sales to do shit.

I agree. https://gfy.com/image.php?u=6177&dateline=1284649507

Basically serparating/redefining the hosting "safe-harbor" to permit actual hosting of content to be legal. Anybody with a webpage/link to illegal content loses the safe harbor.

Actually I have the lawyers from the legal department at one of my B&M clients making these suggestions to legislators all over the world while they are there(getting regulations modified).

Let's make a little wager. Let's both send our September 2010 income statements to a neutral third party, along with $1000 in cash. Whoever made more money last month wins the money.

Since you are so convinced that my business is "gone", let's see if you'll put your money where your mouth is, or back down like the pussy keyboard warrior we all know you to be.

Game ON.

How would this apply to something like YouTube? please elaborate

lol steve update your sites you suck now man.

1999 is over.

Somehow I don't think you know jack shit about what works for a large sologirl network. :2 cents:

Hello Steve, i voted NO. Not that i support piracy i really cant stand it, but maybe turning it too illegal will become like drugs and a new kind of criminals could start raising, selling piracy in volumes to people who want to make money with this selling it cheaper, by selling maybe memberships on sites full of piracy, then people will decide to buy the cheaper membership that brings a bundle of all sites together for a cheaper price, rather than going to 3 sites and getting 3 memberships. Im sure that making this a crime will of course lower piracy but remember that theres a lot of money involved in everything that becomes illegal

thank you

I sure the hell do! Great job.

I support this. Don't stop until every fucking thief is shut down!

Excluding the "don't care" people, its now 81% for and 19% against. Thanks to all for your votes and comments.

Steve Lightspeed

Rather than giving the review sites a full access login/pass to review the sites, you sent them a zip file of your sites? Is this normal behaviour for getting your sites reviewed?

The cynic in me wants to suggest that this was the beginning of seeding the torrents to collect IPs with the goal of making cash from the torrents, because if not why didn't you simply "seed" the zips with unique identifiers so you could back trace those zips back to the original pirate and simply sue them?

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my bad, Steve confirmed in his other thread that the site rips are available to members. I thought he was giving them to review sites. Still, adding unique identifiers to those zips would confirm the original pirate.... so aversion and more targetted suing could have been implemented.

"No thieves will inherit the Kingdom of God" - 2 Corint.

and neither will pornographers....so man up or burn up

"Having eyes full of adultery that cannot cease from sin. Cursed children" - 2 Peter

No I don't.

And the reasons are not because I support piracy, quite the opposite. This is to do with making money rather than fighting piracy.

will someone please ban this assclown?

i would like to see some large companies going after the big tube sites also. i wonder what that for a impact would be if like 10 of those larger tube sites go offline.

also , a lot of ppl here are supporting the tube sites with ads...

Troll post #45: You should have bought the Tube sites when you could afford to

Who is the Netflix of porn?

Users?

lol... that's stupid.. you must sue OWNERS.. not users...

You obviously don't have a clue about what's going on, Steven... you also made the poll public, SS practice?

Did you know that Blockbuster filled for Bankruptcy? Same as MGM.

One new Blockbuster store is closing it's doors EVERY SINGLE DAY all around the world.

ADAPT OR DIE, right? That's the right-wing Darwinist Slogan.

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Tasty little offa right d'ere.
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Sadly very very true. I was shocked when I first employed programmers and the attitude towards stealing other programmers hard work. They were genuinely shocked that I would pay fro the multiple copies of Photoshop, ACDSee and other programs. Even though selling content on the Internet pirating others content was for them the norm. :Oh crap

I feel a lot of the opposition to what Steve is doing is born out of a fear that it works and they find themselves on a list of pirates getting letters.

Hey STUPID have you seen other cases of pirates being taken to court? One comes to mind with the defendant being given a $500,000 fine. I predict one of these pirates will get taking to court, will get his ass handed to him by the judge and it will make a lot of others think twice before ignoring the letters.

http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showpo...&postcount=136

Seems you should of been banned a long time ago then. :1orglaugh
As usual a force accusation from DamaianJ

No you're wrong for the reasons I stated. A lawsuit will happen and it will be a positive for those fighting piracy.

Damian has made so many posts about piracy and Torrents that it's clear he's not as anti as his "I'm against piracy" statements try to make out. Here's one he made yesterday on another board.

At best he's spineless and is rolling over to the pirates. At worse he's pirating.

By the same logic someone opposed to the war in Afghanistan is a terrorist scared they could be attacked next.

I have no respect for people who think they can pirate others hard work, profit from it, boast about and think they are untouchable.

I don't care if they get embarrassed about being pirates, don't care if they are embarrassed into paying and will whoop for joy when the same name comes up time after time.

Because if this escalates as I predict, the plaintiffs might be sharing information. The "Letter" might come from more than plaintiff and be more than $500. Or the same person might think he's on a mailing list of lawyers defending content owners. :thumbsup

It won't perish completely. Just whither and whither. The downturn of this industry started as the Internet started to put out more and more free content. The downturn of the Internet porn industry started when free porn started to bite it in the ass.

I predict without a big change most here will be gone, this board and many others will be gone, there will be no need for many affiliates if any. Because the cost against the return will be negligible. The industry will be taken over by a few of the companies who are now giving porn away to take the traffic. They will stop giving it away and start giving people the option of buying or looking at short clips.

They will spend money fighting those who pirate them and make sure companies like AFF don't advertise on the new pirates.

It's called business. Those in it today can do something about it of like Damian give in. And stick their asses in the air. Is this monkey called Damian?

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Do everyone a huge favor and don't call it a 'war on piracy.'

We have actual wars going on with people dying. This may be important but it is not a war. It belittles the people fighting in real war to trivialize the term with idiotic notion of war like a war on drugs or piracy or anything else.

Also, you will carry more weight with a more positive underlying message. Nobody is anti abortion or pro abortion. People are ardently pro life or pro choice. At the end of the day this is a marketing effort. You are trying to sell the public on the notion that people deserve to earn a living for working hard and producing a product worth owning rather than having it stolen from them.

To answer your poll, I support Publishers Rights, I support Pay To Play, I support Honest Income and many other sensible slogans for this long overdue campaign. I do not support calling it a 'war on piracy.' Don't let criminals get to sound like cool pirates (that's a name they chose for themselves with some mystique). Don't trivialize War.

The guy who stole your movie and uploaded it is not a strong swordsman captaining a ship bound for adventure - he is a 36 year old criminal stealing from a store owner the same way he would if he went to a hardware store and ripped off a few 20s from the cash register. We don't call people who steal from a local store pirates, we call them criminals, thieves, scumbags, shoplifters, a burden on society etc...

Controlling the narrative will be critical to your success.

Good luck

I know you now think that this means that those 81% are in support of what you are doing. It's obvious from the way you set up the poll that this was your intention.

I hope that you are smart enough to see that that is not the case.