It's the core value of this country to protest when you think something is wrong, only a moron would be against that. If the Tea Party can hold momentum and effect elections the way they have been doing, things will change in Washington. If they grow in numbers, which is something I think could happen, although be it not probable, they as a people would have more political presence than the president of the US, which in a perfect world, is what it's suppose to be. The POTUS is working for the people.

Not a member of the Tea Party, they are I believe are a group of something like 2800 smaller groups that pull together with similar views and values. I don't think they have any leaders really. they are from the ground up and that is what's making them different than any other political group ever put together. I believe that guys that wrote the constitution were pretty smart and over the last decade, they have been ignored. That's something I want to see change. I've been invited to a Rally, I've never been to a political rally and I think I'll go.

I understand that the tea party is not an actual political party that is why I typically refer to them as tea party supported candidates. When I didn't it was simply a mistake on my part or I meant it as a tea party supported candidate.

Maybe it is my opinion. Maybe it isn't. All I know is that it seems like most of the candidates that I am aware of who were/are supported by the tea party (or any number of the tea parties that are out there) all seem to have a similar message. They want less taxes, smaller government, a balanced budget and they want to reduce the deficit. Most of these candidates have not said how they would go about doing so, but that is what they want and many of them have said they will vote against bills/budgets/anything that doesn't support their ideals.

I'm just basing what I said off of that. It isn't just Rand Paul, I used him as an example.

But in the end I guess I don't get the point of your posts. Are you saying that I am wrong and that the tea party supported candidates will simply fall lock step in with the republican leadership and do as they are told? Or are you just in the mood to argue the semantics of what I've posted.

Sure they could do a lot, but as I said, I'm waiting to see how it pans out before I get too excited by anything. Regardless of how the election in November pans out there are going to be some tea part supported candidates that win. If those candidates get into off and stick to their guns and do as they say they will, eventually they can effect change and get more like minded people elected. If they just bow to the power and do as they are told like so many other politicians and they abandon their core values they really they have done nothing but find a different way to get elected.

I agree, but if the Tea Party stays on them with pressure, they may find it better to stick to the core values they promised to uphold

For sure. It may happen pretty quickly. If there are a decent number of Tea Party supported candidates in the house (most likely there will be 10-15) and they stick together they could form a formidable block and force the GOP to deal with them. This could give them some real power. If they buckle though, then it is bad news for the tea party in general.

both. i think semantics are important in this discussion and, from what i understand, yes, the candidates will toe the republican line, at least in the short term. the tea party is too small to actually take on the republican party at this point. even though they take action, rally, protest, and make themselves heard, when push comes to shove behind close doors inside the beltway, it's my opinion they will toe the republican line. that's the system.

Hahahahahahahaah CORE VALUES???? HATE is the ONLY Core Value of the TeaBaggers - HATE AND FEAR. You mindless Tbaggers are indoctrinated by OLD RICH WHITE MEN...

Enjoy the ride, pretty soon you fuckers are going extinct.

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thank god there's not a slutboat party.

Vendzilla it has nothing to do with her views she's a fucking lunatic. Google her defining the bush doctorate. Should someone who was running for vp of the republican party not know the answer to that?

This is THE QUINTESSENTIAL Tea Bagger - Fuck you guys - take your smear campaign somewhere else.

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Fair enough. Actually I think you and I are pretty much in agreement with this. I think the tea party supported candidates could be a thorn in the GOP's side as I state above, but I have a feeling in the end they will cave to the pressure and tow the party line.

You're kidding me right, she made a mistake and you call her crazy? Or maybe you'll judge her on her speaking abilities?

Obama said he was at all 57 states, what do you call him?

I don't think the Tea Party wants to takeover the GOP, just change them back to what they use to be

She's not crazy because she was unprepared. From the sound of it she hadn't done her homework, was unprepared for how heavy the media would come down on her and didn't feel like learning the material. That doesn't make her crazy.

Here is one thing that does. Einstein said,"The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results." Palin (and many like her) does just this. She believes that the only sex ed you should give your kid is abstinence only. No sex until marriage. She sees first hand how well that works. Her own daughter got knocked up at 17. You go anywhere in this country where abstinence is the only thing taught to kids and you will also find the highest rates of teen pregnancy and teen STDs in the nation. Yet, after seeing first hand how that doesn't work, she continues to believe it is true. So much so that she now has gotten her once pregnant daughter a position as the teen abstinence ambassador for Candies. So it didn't work before, but we are sticking with it and we are using the person who didn't follow the plan as the poster girl for the movement. That is crazy.

yup, i think you are right, we do agree. prolly why i was pressing you re: your comments.

and, ftr, i wouldn't mind seeing the tea party make some headway into the sytem. we need a serious shake-up.

Lol wow now you're just batshit crazy. What was the mistake? she clearly had no idea what the fuck she was talking about. This is funny as fuck. The fact that you think she is good for your country is insane. But hey she can see russia from alaska!!

Bryan - thanks for tryin but they are the Stepford Wives

Me too. I hope if they get elected they stick their guns. A small core group could be enough to be a major pain and force the others to come to them.

I wonder if it's real :1orglaugh

I pray to God slutboat becomes a sponsor for the Democratic Party. That's pretty much a guarantee that we'd be down to one main political party.

Most of the time, social issues play a role in politics, I don't think thats going to happen this time, so it doesn't matter.
The democrats have fucked things up so bad that any conservative agenda, FISCALLY, stands a chance on getting elected, you want someone to blame, blame the democrats, they are making it possible for extreme right wing politicians to get in office

So it's ok for the president to say they went to 57 states? I believe he said he had a few more to go to!

OK,. thats your opinion, you think Barry hasn't fucked things up
how about
Choosing tax cheat Timothy Geithner to be his Treasury Secretary. It's mind boggling that Barry would choose a tax cheat to run the department that's in charge of the IRS. The man in charge of that effort doesn't pay his taxes?

you're buying into the statist propaganda. The tea parties started as a reaction against the whole system (when bush was still in office).

Do we really feel anyone can make a difference for the better?
Does the president really run the country?

The answer YES to both of your questions - far more than most people realize. I can fully understand why you would have this misconception being as you are from Canada.

The President has weak domestic powers...his primary domestic power is the "bully pulpit". Congress makes law and controls the purse strings...thus the Congress really runs the country not a singular person.

I agree with this to some degree. For example. I live in a pretty liberal state. During the last gubernatorial election the democrat ran on a platform of raising taxes and raising spending. the republican ran on the just the opposite, but also brought morality into play. He lost. People in my state preferred the tax and spend democrat over the moral high ground of the republican.

However this year the republican is probably going to win and he hasn't said a word about social issues or morality, he is focused all on the money and the economy.

That said, I don't think Palin would be able to help herself. Much of her agenda and her popularity is seeded in her beliefs and I don't think she would be able to not bring them up. She can't help it, it is who she is and it is the reason a lot of people don't like her.