Hi Allison,

what is your advertising model in this scenario, if you don't mind sharing? is there corresponding marketing to advertise your paysites on the page that also has your video? are you paying by signups or a straight-up advertising deal? also, are these statistics typical for what any quality paysite could expect from advertising?

thx in advance! :thumbsup

Hi Dyna Mo,

We tested a few different things and the obvious ones have worked. We try to match the content they are watching with the rule as best we can. So if it's a MilfSeeker episode we try to send directly to that Milfseeker episode and if we can't we send to the Milf niche in general.

We've also found that sending to a non-recurring billing option works best. So just a 1 time $24.95 for 1 month or $9.95 for the week. This seems to be a consumer who has probably been burnt out by the recurring billing model & cross sells.

We also advertise our buy an episode once & own for life product which seems to do pretty good as well when we link to just that episode.

We have not yet tested too much with tweaking the language of the ad text and I'm sure if we did, we'd see better click through rates as well.

Now, I think these results will probably be typical, but other companies who have more niche or unique content could see better results. I mean, we'll admit our content is similar to 3 or 4 other companies out there so as long as there is similar content still up on tube sites the click through ratio won't be that great for us. Now for a company who specializes in a certain girl or less general niche or style, they'll probably see much better results than what we see, but their content might be uploaded less to begin with so the gross might end up the same.


All of the advertising rules can be set up in a simple excel spreadsheet or linked to data from the database itself. We do the latter where we can tell what episode the traffic is coming from & redirect based on that. The same concept though can be set up spreadsheets.

Trust is my issue as well.

Considering everything they have done, both Mansef and Manwin and everyone else, allowing all of my content to be fingerprinted with them having access to that data in any manner, makes me shy away from this whole thing.

Once a thief, always a thief. :2 cents: And like you said, what's to stop them from using this technology at a later date, or even currently, to put the videos elsewhere, or just keep renaming them and reposting them, or whatever they can figure out to steam roll people to become even larger.

They are like a virus. It's only a matter of time before they mutate again.

Awesome idea. I get to pay them to be an affiliate. I pay them to sign up and then I pay them a %. And then one day down the line they are going say.. " Huh... We can make more by charging this every month or three months. "

Concept is great, but it has the potential for massive abuse at a later date.

It has potential for abuse right away.

I pay them 500$ up front. Then they become an affiliate. They make No sales as an affiliate and as someone mentioned, I have no way of knowing if my stuff is in the members areas in full version.

Regarding "trust" there are a few solution oriented points that are being missed.

One is that with Manwin and with Slutload, as we have announced before, there is a legal agreement to use technology to reasonably prevent infringement not only for Pink Visual content, but for any content owner that participates in the use of the technology. To purposefully bypass or deceive any content owner that participates would be an extremely ballsy move. Nonetheless, like with regular business deals we check into how the other party does things as a form of QA. So the same here, if anyone wants to make sure the technology is being used correctly, there are more than reasonable ways to test. We check on things quarterly ourselves. If you can't find your stuff up anywhere, than it's highly likely that a consumer can't find it either.

The other part is that the tube sites have no say over the cost of the program. This is a program negotiated by the FSC & that many of the tubes are legally committed to using.

Typically, without the FSC pricing negotiation, both the content owners and tube sites would pay individually several thousand dollars a month to the technology provider. Instead, the negotiated technology fee is just a revenue share of the earnings. If you don't make any money on the ads, you don't pay the revenue share. The technology is a third party technology & tube owners interest in it is primarily to prevent infringement & become more compliant with DMCA safe harbor by implementing a proven reasonable technology.

thanks a ton! :)

The concept of all of this is BRILLIANT and exciting. It's just the players involved that put a really bad taste in my mouth. I don't trust any of them.


Care to take a stab at how we all got in this mess in the first place? I'd call that an insanely ballsy move. These guys have built their entire empire based on theft and a lot of balls.

At this stage it's a little like trying to trust your uncle you molested you as a kid. And no matter how much you think he's reformed, you would never allow him to babysit your own child even with supervision.


This also brings up the trust factor for FSC. Besides COPPA, they really don't have a track record of succeeding at anything they do. Not to mention, there is nothing stopping them from changing how this all operates as their organization dies due to a natural decline in supporters due to more and more companies going out of business and the DVD giants closing shop, who are almost all supporting them currently.

Their current price rate will change once they get a lot of people on board. You can bet your ass on that. And then "free" is going to end up costing you a whole lot of money if you want to continue their service. It's a typical protection racket scheme.

DWB, I just have to ask what are your solutions? "I'm not sure I can trust them." and "what if the pricing structure changes?" are all just speculation and by not trusting and by speculating, it doesn't change anything for the better.

In the mean time, I've just gone over some results that we've seen first hand with the technology. We've seen a large reduction of infringement of our content on some of the major tubes and for less effort than it would have taken to manually scan those sites and send DMCA's to these tubes. In addition, we've been able to get our brand out there and generate some revenue from it.

No one loves the fact that adult tubes or other piracy sites exist, but skepticism won't make them go away or lead them to act responsibly. On the other hand, a strong combination of legal strategy and technology can lead things in the right direction. The adult industry actually has even better positioning than our mainstream counterparts when it comes to encouraging responsibility. It just takes more and more companies to understand that position and lead things in the right direction.

As a side note, for anyone intimidated by getting the finger prints done or concerned they don't have the resources, feel free to hit me up as I'm aware of a very reputable company offering to do this for some of their clients (they just aren't ready to publicly announce).

good call :thumbsup

It will come down Nautilus.... you've helped me *enormously* in the past and you know I was working on similar things before when this thread was made. Well, it took me over 10 months to "go it alone", but I've done it :upsidedow

A video library of over 1.3m active tube videos and a cross check rate of 0.001 secs per 30 min video to find pirated content, regardless of compression ratio (--edit or whether it is a 5 minute cut of your 30min scene).....

This per monthly charge may have been viable back in May, but when I can get this out to the public in the CMS now, it'll be pennies to check your content against the tubes - . Watch my space :thumbsup

I have followed your posts. I'm looking forward to this.

Sorry, the pirates are hiding among us, and those who don't hide are celebrated. The wagons are circled.

Please create a new thread when you launch your product, and good luck! :thumbsup

ADG

Talking to dumbasses least we forget

This is indeed interesting.

Does anyone actually have an excerpt from DMCA law where it mentions this? I'm very interested in finding out what "technical means available" covers...

512i

i) Conditions for Eligibility.—
(1) Accommodation of technology.— The limitations on liability established by this section shall apply to a service provider only if the service provider—
(A) has adopted and reasonably implemented, and informs subscribers and account holders of the service provider’s system or network of, a policy that provides for the termination in appropriate circumstances of subscribers and account holders of the service provider’s system or network who are repeat infringers; and
(B) accommodates and does not interfere with standard technical measures.
(2) Definition.— As used in this subsection, the term “standard technical measures” means technical measures that are used by copyright owners to identify or protect copyrighted works and—
(A) have been developed pursuant to a broad consensus of copyright owners and service providers in an open, fair, voluntary, multi-industry standards process;
(B) are available to any person on reasonable and nondiscriminatory terms; and
(C) do not impose substantial costs on service providers or substantial burdens on their systems or networks.


Then that combined with the numbers of mainstream and adult tubes (large and small) who have adopted fingerpint technology make it difficult for a tube to say they adopted "reasonable technology" unless they are using fingerprint technology.

Thanks Allison -

I'm seeing things much more clearly now, especially in relation to the order of events of how this came around eg re: 2a,b

Speaking of digital finger printing... Am I the only one who finds it unusual that the ONLY file sharing site on the entire internet that uses digital finger printing, uses the same digital finger printing system that Manwin is part of and they just happen to be the same file sharing site people have said Manwin allegedly owns?

Yea, I know the buck was passed to Mansef owners. But when did those shit stain pirates ever care about content theft enough to use digital finger printing? Yuuuusef and the other foosball players never cared about anything other than stealing from people.

If it walks like a duck... just sayin'.