Just to be clear. 3 DMCA's then the account is shut down (good news). Does that mean ALL of the videos uploaded by that user are also deleted from your database?

User: frogman304

It took me all of ten seconds to find this guy. Just type in compilation as a search and you'll see dozens more of the same. These compilation videos are examples of obvious copyright theft. I challenge you to do the right thing. Shut down the accounts and delete ALL of the videos uploaded by these obvious abusers.

Sorry for going off topic. On topic, I feel the whole finger printing/filtering thing is a great technology but it's a bit expensive. One can only hope the price comes down or sales go up so smaller programs can afford the added expense.

Everyone here knows Mansef = Manwin only stupid people don't know this.

You guys change name when Mansef got flagged by the US gov't with your millions of funds frozen in Georgia.

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Why would someone want to waste their time and upload your promo videos to get you traffic if they aren't being paid to do it? Just doesn't make sense.

The real upload abuser are the tube employee, which I'm sure Nathan is going to deny.

I've got my developers on this and will hold you to it :winkwink:

Lucious.

Do you own the copyright to the material you mentioned? If not, then you as much as I do not know if the content is infringing or not. If it is yours, send a dmca for it.

This is just like a comedy central clip on YouTube or a music video or whatnot...

good advice:thumbsup

PXN, no we did not. I spent quite a bit of money on the Mansef assets. And the pink visual lawsuit almost made the deal fall apart.

The funds in Georgia are non of my concern.

But this if from all your clients I am guessing? The 100k is just us ;)

Correct but it didn't take two weeks ;-)

Well some of them actually are user submitted/generated, at least partially. Xhamster for example - they do have real user profiles, those users interact with each other, post and discuss videos, have videos in their profiles that are obviously stolen from very different sources (which is not typical for the in-house "uploaders") and usually on top of it they have videos of themselves masturbating or wearing satin panties or eating their own cum or doing some other sick shit. It is impossible to fake that.

They do have several profiles that are obviously fake - like 1000 videos stolen from just 2 or 3 companies (average real poster will randomly steal from many companies), zero comments on other posters' videos, no avatar, no profile info such as interests, no video of an uploader sucking his own dick etc. But those are old profiles, they used them to fill their tube when they started - new stuff is posted by those who seem to be "legit" youtube style uploaders. I do not check all profiles of all users uploading new videos there as I have better things to do, but I do sometimes check them and those profiles I check do seem real to me.

Not saying that I believe in all that hiding behind DMCA "safe harbor" bullshit, or that none of the major tubes upload videos themselves. I'm just adding my observation that tube owners are not always stealing from us alone, in many instances their users do actively help them.

Where does the money go? FSC or Vobile?

Who are the owners of Vobile? Are they pure mainstream or do they have secret adult ties?

Sure, us alone send around 6000 new found ones a day.

I also do not get the part of the deal where it says "monetization" of your content found at participating tubes. If those tubes are willing to post our clips and provide advertizing on revshare basic, why wait until some sick fuck will submit our full length clip to them? Why give your share of sales to FSC/Vobile, after this clip was replaced with an edited promo?

If you want to post our stuff, simply contact us and we'll provide you with enough clips to last you forever even if you're going to post them daily. And so will many other producers. You, not FSC/Vobile, will get credited for those sales. And you can plan your updates in advance, using the vast pool of clips legally available to you, not having to worry about DMCAs taking down all the good stuff etc.

Why not to simply come here, post a link and say SUBMIT EVERYBODY, submit your program and contact details, submit your clips, banners and promo texts for your site(s). If we like them we'll signup for your program and shedule your clips for appearances in our updates.

I seriously don't get it.

Hi,

obviously you can use our Paid Content Partner Program anyway. The monetization comes from the fact that it just gives you the possibility to make some extra money with the system....

So if I submit videos myself legally, I need to pay for a spot. But if the same clip is posted as a replacement for an illegally submitted video, it's free of charge?

That's sick man.

I recently found a video on your site with a girl being fucked by a dog. The girl IMO looked under age.

Who should I send the link to, the police, FBI or AG?

This is the long term plan. Pink Visual/Topbucks are going to find themselves fucked in the long run. A few big Tube sites will dominate the business and when they do buy out as many programs as they can for cents on the dollar.

Unless people stand up and fight.

Start telling members the truth about the dating sites and the odds on getting to meet a real woman off them.

Just one way.

A Tube charging to submit content. :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

Had to come.

I have a feeling you don't own any content.... but you like to mouth.

You mouth off about TB's fight and the content retreat all the time - I suspect you're a pissed off surfer that feels taken by the limiting of free porn in your own backyard.

huh?

It's called "PAID CONTENT PARTNER PROGRAM" because _WE PAY YOU_ not the other way around...

You should use the form right below the video which let's you flag a file as illegal.

We talk to the FBI and police all the time btw, to help them pin down people that upload illegal content to our tubes.

I suggest you think, then post...

Hm... From what was previously said here on behalf of pornhub, I was under the impression that PAID means producers should pay you something to get listed. But if you say it aint so, OK.

So I went on to your site and found yet another version of what your content partnership program is there:

http://www.pornhub.com/information#partner
"Pornhub does not charge any upfront fees to join or upload. We receive compensation through your existing PPS or RevShare affiliate program. We only get paid when you get paid."

So where is the truth?

1. You pay producers.
2. Producers pay you.
3. Standard revshare/PPS scheme.

I'll second this quote. In addition, the FSC spent months of time researching solutions, gathering legal experts and studios for opinions, and now spending time to educate people all while not even covering their costs in order to benefit many companies in this industry.

I have a feeling that any one here who would negatively comment on the FSC, must not own any content because if you really are a content owner here your choices are simple:

1) Continue as you do now and find content on these tubes & send DMCA notices (or however your operate)
2) Participate in the program & set up your rules and recommendations for how to automatically handle content uploaded. (Of course you can go direct to Vobile & pay significantly more money)

Or I guess you can invent your own solution, but it can't just be an idea you throw out on GFY, you actually have to do it.

The only thing you got right here was the fact that the FSC will be there and provide an in-depth demo to the service and answer questions as well as hear out studios who want to contribute ideas that could maybe improve the program (a grand total of 1 hour).

In addition, there will be experienced IP attorneys on hand covering a range of topics, end-user litigation experts discussing that approach, torrent and cyberlocker industry experts, content removal service provider, and some additional technology experts. Of course the event is focused around studios who are able to absorb a higher level of information and then able to collaborate and share with each other and encourage follow through.

you do not pay, we put up links to your affiliate system and send you joins like anyone else does.

OK, but you said "_WE PAY YOU_", what did you mean? Did you mean payment in the form of sending joins or something else?

yes, thats what I meant.

That's the smartest thing said on GFY since I've been here. That quote should leave most of GFY absolutely silent and it applies to almost every aspect of this business. :2 cents:

You forgot one....

3) Sue and try to get a settlement. Worked for you. :thumbsup Not sure why you wouldn't list your option as a valid one.

Considering the FSC solution is paying a monthly free for tracking content across 16 tube sites (correct me if I'm wrong), I don't really see that as a service worth paying for. 16 tubes + 16 torrents + 16 file sharing site + 16 surfer boards, then it would be extremely valuable. Most of the smaller tubes scrape from the bigger ones, so you don't really have to police a lot of them. All I hear the FSC talking about is tubes, tubes, tubes, tubes.... and while that probably works for the Porn Valley DVD companies, those of us who make a living online know tubes are now just a small part of the problem.

Last I looked into it, the cost was around $400 to track only 10 videos. It would cost me 20k a month to police only 500 videos across only 16 tubes. Then when the find one of my videos on - say one of Nathan's tubes - the system swaps it out for a shorter teaser or ad video that I choose, that will sit in a pile of 1000s of full length free videos? Explain to me how that makes any sense at all, cause I don't get it.

I'm either missing a critical bit of information or simply can't comprehend what is going on, as Nathan condescendingly suggests is the case with everyone. The numbers just don't add up.

Someone please shed some light on the part of this solution that I am obviously missing.

no offense to anyone, but you can fingerprint my ass and pay me $450/month + annual members fee and you will get better results.

again no offense to anyone :)

So... it's OK for you to assist law enforcement to go on IP hunts when it involves your sites and uploaders, but it's not OK for guys like Steve Lightspeed to go on the exact same hunt when it comes to his own content and downloaders?

You adamantly oppos downloaders being sued, all the while turning in uploaders to the FBI to face legal charges.

You're making my head hurt, Bro.

DWB, if you do not understand the difference between us giving info to the POLICE/FBI of someone uploading illegal videos like child porn and steve suing torrent users, then I can not help you...

Sad.

I was expecting a condescending tone and the "Fabian Side Step" on that one, so thanks for being so predictable.

Forget the subject matter of the content, I'm purely talking about methods to ensure the uploader/downloader is actually the person who will be sued or have their doors smashed in by the FBI.


What user info could you possibly give law enforcement that would be any more accurate than what those who are suing downloaders can get?

I could create an account right now and upload all kinds of terrible shit. You wouldn't have anything more than a bogus IP address to go off of. Yet you were opposed to this exact method when it came to suing downloaders.

Now I'm wondering which is worse, getting a $1000 fine for not stealing a movie, or having the FBI bust my door down and arrest me for CP that I never owned or uploaded in the first place, name in the news paper and local TV associating me with CP, guilty until proven innocent, life ruined, and so on. Based on everything you said about suing downloaders, this would have to also apply to what you are doing. Unless of course, you have a magical way of knowing 100% sure that the account that loaded the video is actually the person who loaded it.

Just trying to understand. Shall I ask the DJ to play another song for you to dance to, or do you actually have an intelligent answer? It really is a simply question.

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

I trust the FBI more than some random lawyer out to make money.

I see a big difference, if you do not, so be it.

Why doesn't Manwin just stop taking user submitted content. Trust me you can tell the difference between ama and studio. And if you can't.... :upsidedow

The best is when I find my stuff on your tubes with the 2257 slate before the scene or our watermark clearly visable on the bottom right. Why accept that submission?

Allison, something I'm kinda wondering about...
I DO protect my stuff. Been doing it for a while. Haven't had even one of my high res/high quality streams ripped and put up on a pirate site. That's after two years (and dozens of "experts" on GFY telling my it wouldn't work and it would be hacked and blah-blah).

But the ongoing problem still concerns my older stuff that's out there. The stuff I put out on .wmv in the first place and that I foolishly released on DVD. I have to keep removeyourcontent searching for that all the time because it comes up over and over and over.

How does "fingerprinting" help you in that way? For instance...Pink Visual already has a huge DVD catalog out there. And tons of stuff that has been pirated, I'd dare say your entire catalog.

I'm assuming that the "fingerprinting" will only have effect on the files that you NOW have had processed (if someone rips one and uploads the "Fingerprinted" one). But everything up until now is still out there (your members areas, your DVD rips, etc.)

Also, it would seem to me that as long as you're still releasing hard copy DVD's and not taking measures to keep your content in the members area on the paysites...then any of the thousands of bit torrent, rapidshare, megaupload, fileshare, and tubes that don't play by the rules are still going to be pirating you and devaluing your content?

What's your specific strategy for Top Bucks to combat those aspects (which are even more damaging than even Pornhub)?

As a long time affiliate of Top Bucks I'd kinda like to know if there is a chance that I can start converting the sites again.

By the way...does Kevin still own Top Bucks? Last I heard his name was a couple of years ago when he was going to meet some friends of mine down in South America. Just curious if it's still his company and how he's doing. Haven't seen him in person since 2002.