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What's in it for you? Do you run a pirate site yourself, or why so strong sympathies with the thieves? |
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Industry Role: Affiliate Programs Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 1 |
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I do not run a pirate site. I do not support piracy. I do not support blackmailing IP addresses. I have no sympathy for a thief. I just think people should spend money on things that gets them more sales and makes them more money. I can draw you a picture if you are still struggling, love. |
Zyber, the "ignore" feature is something I never used until the other day. I finally realized that some people just don't have anything of value to add to a conversation. And the ones that don't I just put them on "ignore"
It's been the best thing I've done on GFY. I always thought: "Maybe this person or that person will have something of value or relevance one day" But now I'm realizing that some folks are just here to argue and give uneducated opinion. Of course I don't put the ones who are funny and make me laugh on "ignore" But the ones who don't have much personality to begin with and then insist on making grandiose "know-it-all" statements about areas of the business that they have zero experience in....well, it's a MUCH better experience here at GFY without them. |
so as of now only 9 tubes are participating?
which doesnt really make this worth it since most of the pirating is happening on torrents/forums/etc as for the partner program do you really think that tube sites will want to have a trailer overwrite a full scene that has a digital video fingerprint? when they prefer to have full length or longer videos? this goes against their whole business model and would hurt their traffic if all videos uploaded became trailers and lastly not sure if this was answered about robbie's question what happens to all the stuff that is already circulating out there? this cannot be protected? and future dvd releases? |
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No way we can do that without this new digital fingerprinting technology. :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh |
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This thing is cool, it's just very server intensive - that's why they're not offering the whole lot of tubes with their monitoring services, and limit the amount of videos that you can submit for a fixed price. This thing is just too heavy on CPU usage to let it loose scanning all infringing sites comparing all finds with the database of a million protected vids and charge $10/month for that. Aside from CPU issues, the cost of a license is still out of this world for most DFP apps - one more reason why all DFP services charge insane prices. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital...fingerprinting |
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Still going to not be effective at all against the thousands of sites that aren't going to play by the rules as far as "switching out" videos for 3 minute trailers. :( But it's definitely going to be effective for Top Bucks in regards to their content on Pornhub for sure. And for others who sign up for it, it will also work well in the Pornhub instance. Where is all the load hitting anyway? Wouldn't PornHub have to have some video on file for instance to "replace" the offending video? Or how exactly does that work? Somehow Pornhub's server is working as well to replace the vid whether it's grabbing it from a content server or not, right? So for this to work...the "hunter" server finds the offending vid. Then the pirate site has to be involved in the project and has to have a piece of the software configured on their server too to communicate and "replace" the pirated vid? Or does it work via a pre-configured list that Pornhub will have inside the piece of software that they will have to put on their server? Damn. No matter how you cut it, that's a lot of stuff going on there and is gonna require pirate sites to come onboard (which would be awesome if they would) Seems like the digital fingerprinting would better be used to hunt and dmca and then to throw a flag if the video did not come down so you can follow with legal action... And that sounds familiar...like something similar to what's already being done...some guy at remove your something or another...can't quite remember... |
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this would cost a shitload if you wanted to protect 500 scenes but the partner program does it free? so long as you give 45% revshare? or does even the partner program have a cost? |
Vobile has some great technology. I've already seen their back-end architecture and it's impressive. They've invested millions into the infrastructure and there is no doubt in my mind they are effective. I'm not downgrading what they do at all.
I want to be clear though, this does not address all forms of piracy as we know it. It addresses one aspect in one area. Will all the tube sites join in? I have no idea. I do know that they charge for monitoring additional tube sites going forward. They would have to because not every tube site infrastructure is not the same. If I am wrong on that, please let me know. |
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You use a windows (or mac or server) app to create fingerprint data for a video of yours, and that app sends the data to Vobile to store in their database. Then our tubes, every time someone uploads a video, creates the fingerprint data for a video, and sends it to Vobile. Vobile checks if it can find a match for this and returns an answer to us. This does not mean the whole video has to be there! You can fingerprint a 40 minute clip, and even a 3 minute section out of it will be matched to it! They also tell us what kind of length of a video is approved by the content owner, or if a specific video should be used instead of this one and so on... CURRENTLY though, since the replacement things are still being worked out together with Vobile and FSC, we simply do not release the video if it is matched. THIS part of the service is totally free to FSC members. (We pay for it on the tube level unless we replace the video with a promotional one.) ADDITIONALLY to this, Vobile also SCANS, currently, 16 tube sites, and are looking into adding non tube sites too as far as I know. What they do there is actively download the new videos from the tubes which were not yet scanned and match it against their database. Once they find a video, they will DMCA it for you automatically, or show it in the admin for you to do so manually. This active scanning is what costs FSC members around 450 USD (I think?) a month for a set amount of fingerprinted videos. We ourself for example currently fingerprint around 50 of our newest clips only, for testing. If it works out, we might fingerprint all of our clips. The price at that point is a per-minute price of video content fingerprinted. |
Eric, regarding your question re the FBI, I can try to find out, but me myself I simply do not have this kind of information. Too big company for me to know every little detail, sorry.
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I don't understand why you could not have done such a thing all along without the fingerprinting. Earlier you hinted that tube owners should be required to use this technology as due diligence, however that seems most convenient for you. Where was your due diligence in using technologies which have existed all along? And FWIW, I think the digital fingerprinting technology should be far cheaper and more open. I should not be required to work with any one organization or provider. It seems like more of a cash grab than anything to me. You should publish who exactly gets what percentage as opposed to stating mere generalities and anecdotes. Let's see exactly what the FSC and you get. Quote:
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In June 2008, people would just laugh at such an idea and pass it away,
look: http://www.gfy.com/fucking-around-and-business-discussion/853255-anti-piracy-solution-found-online-dvds-philips.html |
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If however you had a tube and someone ELSE ripped all our best scenes, made a compilation, and posted it to your tube and you made a ton of money from it, then you are right, it's ok on your part, but we would DMCA it. If you then would not remove it, then it would not be ok again. |
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http://borkedcoder.com/images/gfy/binary_hash.jpg All derivations of fingerprint technology are based on this. The new stuff invovling videos is grouped hashing of multiple frames, but I don't believe any are based on hashing of the entire video, just a few hundred frames... It's not really very CPU intensive though - what is (and bandwidth intensive too) is detecting it, once the video has "gone out" |
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And no, you give us content so we send you sales. And a ton of people are doing it because it works. On top of that, I would put a watermark in the videos to get some typein branding also. |
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If I get nothing from you regarding this, I will have to assume this is a lie. |
Congrats, I consider myself pretty well versed in things technical, and after reading pages of posts....
I STILL DON'T GET IT! sounds like you guys kissed & made up after court, and agreed on a way to run smaller producers out of biz . How's a producer with 1000 videos in his library making 500k off those vids a year gonna afford the service? He will have to sell if your deal catches on and who will be there to buyup the library at pennies on the dollar? hmmmm... Somehow it just seems like it's still work with us and do it our way, or we will knock you over and take yours. |
That's their goal to own a monopoly in this biz.
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Yes this tech is aimed mostly at tubes and won't work that well with other forms of piracy (such as torrents and boards), but since it can stop all infringments COLD at tubes it is still worth it. We can deal with boards and torrents using other methods. I'd say, at the current price of $500/month/16 tubes this service is worth it only for the biggest programs, and maybe for DVD companies too because all major tubes love their stuff, and having at least 16 of them covered is enough of a deal for DVD sellers. Yes I see some potential to it even with their current insane prices and very limited reach. At $500/month/up to 1000 protected videos/all tubes covered, it'll be an option for many of the middle sized programs. At $100-150/month/up to 10000 protected videos/all tubes covered, that will become a mass product for the adult industry where every one and their dog will be subscribed to. Quote:
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Nathen since you deleted the video on pornhub, I will just leave this here and ask the question again. Can you answer this for me :)
"" Why doesn't Manwin just stop taking user submitted content. Trust me you can tell the difference between ama and studio. And if you can't.... The best is when I find my stuff on your tubes with the 2257 slate before the scene or our watermark clearly visable on the bottom right. Why accept that submission? "" http://www.axxxparody.com/gfy/pornhub.jpg |
WOW looking at the cap I made you can REALLY tell who's content that is imo - My logo is the biggest thing on the page!! How could you all not see that and accept it lmao
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Also, this thread is not about DMCA and why we do what we do. |
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We = Manwin. |
You guys should just turn off user submitting, problem solved.
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OK... Asking Pink about this one...
Go here: http://www.spankwire.com/Couples-Sed...r/video217968/ Your video in its entirety and no ads for you anywhere. How is this making you revshared money with the FSC? |
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Your about to show your true colors here Nathan - Bring it. |
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Actually... Nathan has already stated his intent to use the flaws in the law to make money on other peoples content. He is asking that everyone else also create a tube and use his content so its all bro hugs around.
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Once people get the idea, they can understand it further, that it doesn't have to be a pixel by pixel thing, you can do something more smart and less CPU hungry. But not the other way around - I tried to explain what the DFP is several times to several different people and it never worked unless I started of by saying "well it's like comparing two images pixel by pixel to see if they match". To add to the confusion, most people tend to think that DFP is the thing that Hollywood uses to watermark their new releases to see what cinema it leaked from to torrents. And you need to explain that it aint so too, digital watermarking and digital fingerprinting are different things. And yet another group of people think that DFP is something similar to MD5 hash signature and could be easily circumvented by making small changes to a file. By no means DFP is an easy sell :) Quote:
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I have no way of knowing if the uploader does or does not have the rights to do so. If the uploader claims he does, however he claims he got them, he has the right to upload it. Unless we have "red flag knowledge". You can call this hiding behind a "flawed" law if you want. I think its not a flawed law, it exists for a very good reason. We have a lot of people uploading content that truly is theirs. We own a lot of content licenses ourselves. We own a lot of exclusive content ourselves. @V_Rocks, 7th July, this is from even before we bought Spankwire in the first place... not sure what you are trying to say... |
http://www.pornhub.com/view_video.php?viewkey=718901646
45 minutes of another customers videos and no possibly way to give the owner their revshare. |
I am wondering what the point of this technology is if it doesn't seem to be working... I looked at the customer list of the FSC content owners and I am seeing tons of their stuff in full size on your tubes. I thought this was automatic?
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Whether it's DVD content, WMV content or any other form that was previously release the same exact benefits exist. So we took our entire library on our server side (other companies could ship drives or DVD's if they wanted to I believe) & had a finger print created on the fly. The finger print is not stored in the video or DVD file, it's a separate file stored in Vobile's database. We got all our finger printing around March of 2010 and it took just a few days. We also now automatically add a finger print every time we update our sites with new content. So now let's say a scenario where a DVD I released in 2006 gets ripped & uploaded to one of the tubes in the APAP program, it will be flagged as a match & completely removed immediately before any views or if I'm participating in the monetization, it will be flagged & I would have set some rule to replace it with a promo clip & maybe an overlay ad. I'm assuming you either have copies of the DVD's you release or have the WMV files on hand. That's all you need to have a finger print created of your content. It's just a file that maps the visual and audio components of your video that is not stored in the video or DVD file at all. You mentioned RemoveYourContent & their services and the answer to that is you would probably still want to use them for other sites who are not participating in the APAP system if you are having issues with infringement elsewhere. ~Alli |
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I have called the FBI myself. The first time was kind of a nervous jittery thing. Turns out they are people too. The next few times was much easier.
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Think whatever you want, see if I care. |
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