That's the question indeed.

So I should police your site. WTF are you smoking. Would rather tell the FBI.

I'll make a deal with you. I'll police your site if you pay me to.

People are upset, at the FSC, because folks tell us they are dropping the ball in so many other areas. It's not this particular venture, if you will. They have injected themselves into an area they no nothing about. Sure, Gil is an attorney... but there's lots of attorneys out there. Volbile was an idea I mentioned at a closed-door meeting in Vegas some time ago. Dianne was actually handing out business cards to some other company, which was not Vobile, which had some fingerprint on it ...site was a shell. I remember. You weren't there but you can ask Diane.

What's wrong with that? This whole program is being presented as if folks don't have choices now. I am seeing it all over the place. If it's so effective, why aren't people lining up to join? It's certainly not due to lack of press. In any event, we will continue to send mass notices to tube sites.. in fact.. we may switch to mailed notices now :1orglaugh

Again, Vobile is not in this for their good health. They have quotas that must be met and Adult is no exception.

We have. Thanks.

So we give you content so you can rape ratios and get advertising revenue from dating sites or joins on dating sites. De we get a cut of that money?

Name one agent you know.. by first initial/last name and location. I will verify.

Watch the first 2 secs of this video - Case in point... :disgust
http://www.pornhub.com/view_video.ph...key=1298498983

Sean...now why would you think that is one of your vids? Something that you put all the money, work, and risk into... only to see it devalued?

Anybody can plainly see that it an amateur movie shot by somebody at home and uploaded. Just because it has your companies name all over it doesn't prove anything man!

IF it was one of your vids...how the heck could you expect anybody to know the difference between that and a shot at home amateur vid?

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It's simple.

After the court case there was a meeting between Manwin and Pink Visual/Topbucks. They decided to get into bed with each other to further their own interests at the expense of others.

So any affiliate sending Pink Visual/Topbucks is now in bed with Pornhub.

RIGHT!! sigh....

So it's the same exact information.

You trust the FBI to kick in the correct door and literally ruin someones life, but not a court of law to figure out if a person downloaded the correct file or not, should the person fight it in court, which they have every right to do so IF they are wrongly accused.

The only difference is, the FBI will fuck someone up with no remorse. Shoot first, ask questions later. Guilty until proven innocent, but you will forever be associated with CP from that moment on. While if you are sued for downloading something you did not, you CAN challenge it in court, a check of your computer can prove you did or did not download it, and your life is not ruined.

You don't need to reply, you've said enough. You're just being a hypocrite, and that's OK. Everyone is a hypocrite to some degree.

Amen to that. I've never had anything bite me in the ass as hard as selling DVDs did. No way for any of us to foresee what was coming, but fuck me, the money was not worth it.

Paul, word to the wise, start using the word allegedly in your posts.

You are very busy libelling people left right and centre here.

You insinuate I am a pirate all the time knowing I won't sue you for your attempts to damage my business because you cannot wrap your old brain around the fact someone can be both anti-blackmail and anti-piracy.

However, Fabian and Allison both have considerably more money than you. And much better lawyers.

I would, seriously, suggest that you stop posting your opinion on events as facts. Especially as you are almost always wrong anyway. Just using "I think" or "allegedly" you would protect your incorrect rants from legal repercussions.

HTH

Love

Damian
xoxox

Fabian. I took a look on your site and saw 2 more videos of girls being fucked by dogs. You don't flag the word dog as it's used in the tags term. So you're publishing obscene porn. The authorities have been notified.

interesting....

I appreciate Allison and Nathan trying to explain this, its a step in the right direction. But one step in a hundred mile walk can be very discouraging. I have a few questions.

I watched the whole Montana Fishburne sex tape on SpankWire a few weeks ago. I checked a day later and the video was still up and had over 100,000 hits. I finally contacted Vivid and they said they would get it taken down. That's 100,000 surfers that saw a video that they should of paid $29.99 for.

Since Spankwire is not responsible for user uploads (and I assume it was a user upload) will the Tube sites help hold the uploader responsible for the copy right infringement?

If Vivid is not part of the program will they have any recourse or will it be the status quo? user uploads video, million people watch it, producer sends in DMCA, movie is taken down, on to the next one.

No, and I'll bet my left nut you don't either. I don't want to start a fight here but you saying I do NOT know if the content is infringing or not, is an insult. I'll bet my right nut that the poster does NOT have the copyrights to the 50+ moneyshot scenes ripped from numerous producers.

user: wackyluke

The CFNM compilation wackyluke posted is all copyrighted material. No, it's not mine but I know for a fact it's not your's or wackyluke's either. All I'm saying is this shit is obvious, painfully obvious, yet you hide behind DMCA instead of doing the right thing because doing the right thing earns you no money. Kudos :thumbsup ... :disgust

So I can go into your members area, rip all of your best scenes, make a huge cumshot compilation, post it on my sites, make a ton of money off of selling ad space, pay you nothing and it's all ok because it's "just like a comedy central clip on YouTube or a music video or whatnot"? SWEET! :pimp I'm all over it.

You can participate in the monetization program without participating in the tracker program. This allows you to handle your content as you wish on every tube and torrent that is integrated. Currently there are what 8 or 9 tubes integrated and that number will be growing. This one is a no brainer to participate in if you'd prefer not to be hunting down uploaded content & sending DMCA's to those tubes.

Whether you use and how you use the FSC tracking system is a business decision. Yes, there are other services or you can handle them inhouse. We have over 3000 pieces of video content, yet not all 3,000 of them are abused by infringers. We have paid additional fees to have all of our titles tracked to get some data on where infringement is occurring the most & what titles of ours are impacted the most. It's quite surprising as it's not always what our most popular content is.

Now we have the data to determine how much and how often we want to track in the future. In addition, the data tracks all the DMCA notices & gathered legal evidence which is an extremely important component for us.

Every company has different business needs. Some companies make the most money on their newest releases & are primarily concerned about release from the most recent 6 months. Other companies have specific sets of content that have the most value that they want to ensure are not infringed. And other companies like us, end up quite surprised at which content is infringed on the most & how it tends to be specific to certain scenes or DVD's and not all over the board.

When it comes to tracking & removing (whether through the FSC or another system), the key component is studying what is going on and finding a way to prevent infringement in the first place.

The FSC APAP now has 9 tubes willing to use technology to help prevent infringement in the first place going forward. There are other strategies as well including how you distribute content to your paying members, end user litigation, and other technology uses & legal approaches.

This finger print and filtering announcement about taking steps in the right direction towards prevention vs. reaction.

People like us got hurt...but look at some of the web companies whose entire members areas are based on "exclusive" licensing with a DVD studio. They got the shit knocked out of them.

Wasn't long ago that xxxjay had posted that pornhub (and a million bit torrent and file sharing sites) had the latest stuff that was supposed to go to their members area BEFORE they even had a chance to put it in their members area!

It had already been released on DVD per the agreement they have with the studio that actually produces it...so it was dead on arrival for their paysite business because it had already been ripped and uploaded from the DVD. :(

I know that I'm not going to do anymore DVD's in the foreseeable future. DVD sales are mostly non-existent and it just destroys the much more lucrative internet sales.

when they steal my content, i want their hands cut off and their legs broken. Your program offers noting like that. They can still go on hosting illegal content

Actually, if you think about it...that IS your most popular content. Only you wouldn't know it from sales and money generated because it is being given away for free. There is definitely a cause and effect happening there Allison.

You can pretty much determine what your "best" stuff is by tracking what is being infringed on the most. And that is all potential lost revenue or potential lost future revenue. :(

I'll answer the last part:

This is the whole reason why in my opinion content owners should participate. Why send a DMCA after something has been uploaded when you have an opportunity to handle it before it gets uploaded on the site?

Porn is porn and for the most part users just want to see MORE porn, and every studio benefits when other studios prevent and curb infringement.

RE: But one step in a hundred mile walk can be very discouraging.

Many cliche things I can say here like that the first steps are the hardest and we've already done those, but honestly with technology developing and studios empowering themselves to take those simple steps to just learn about their options from real experts is what we need and we see more and more announcements of studios making those steps and changing from a culture of victims to being empowered.

Still waiting for a response on this one Nathan.

DWB, in my opinion a lawyer sending 1000 letters to people demanding money or else they will sue is worse than the FBI looking into a case of illegal content and possibly getting the wrong person because of some hacker...

Am on my phone only so will not reply to the rest until I am back home.

Yeah, I agree here. Some of my first reactions were "oh that's why we don't sell that site that well". It is great data to have just for business decisions as well.

May I ask the OP what algorithm they are using to generate their visual hashing db for cross-checking?

And don't come back with "it's proprietary" since all this technology is public domain having been developped by public-funded researchers...

I have all 28 of the major papers describing different ways and each has their major advantages and major flaws....

Just the paper's authors names is all I require

thanks

I will ask the tech provider and get back to you.

I will have to agree to disagree with you on this one.


Are the girls hot?

Let me get this right. You have to pay for partner account to get your ad there but alternatively you can also have a "user" upload full movies and have it replaced with your ads for free? :1orglaugh

Good luck :thumbsup

Good to hear that we got FSC to get this technology together
 

Im so glad this program has been put together and im gonna try it out and make a wish list on how to improve it and see how this evolves. I looked into this type of technology a couple of years ago with a forensic fingerprinting program by civolution and they wanted like 30K so what APAP is bringing to the table may be cost effective to start.

Excellent - thanks :thumbsup

Is there a single post from you where you don't defend piracy? It certainly seems as if you always take the side of the pirates. :2 cents:

What's in it for you? Do you run a pirate site yourself, or why so strong sympathies with the thieves?

Welcome to GFY :1orglaugh

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Please quote me defending piracy. Please quote me taking sides with the pirates. In the post you quote I was advising Markham not to libel people.

I do not run a pirate site. I do not support piracy. I do not support blackmailing IP addresses. I have no sympathy for a thief.

I just think people should spend money on things that gets them more sales and makes them more money.

I can draw you a picture if you are still struggling, love.

Zyber, the "ignore" feature is something I never used until the other day. I finally realized that some people just don't have anything of value to add to a conversation. And the ones that don't I just put them on "ignore"

It's been the best thing I've done on GFY. I always thought: "Maybe this person or that person will have something of value or relevance one day" But now I'm realizing that some folks are just here to argue and give uneducated opinion.

Of course I don't put the ones who are funny and make me laugh on "ignore" But the ones who don't have much personality to begin with and then insist on making grandiose "know-it-all" statements about areas of the business that they have zero experience in....well, it's a MUCH better experience here at GFY without them.

so as of now only 9 tubes are participating?
which doesnt really make this worth it since most of the pirating is happening on torrents/forums/etc

as for the partner program do you really think that tube sites will want to have a trailer overwrite a full scene that has a digital video fingerprint? when they prefer to have full length or longer videos? this goes against their whole business model and would hurt their traffic if all videos uploaded became trailers

and lastly not sure if this was answered about robbie's question what happens to all the stuff that is already circulating out there? this cannot be protected? and future dvd releases?

That what I was thinking all along. :disgust

I have to agree with Robbie, you're pushing it too far my friend. How can we tell a difference between this video of yours and an average amateur selfshot smartphone video of a guy fucking a melon with his wife's panties in his mouth?

No way we can do that without this new digital fingerprinting technology.

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This digital fingerprinting tech is covering all stuff including those videos already circulating. It's kinda comparing two videos pixel by pixel to see if they match, just more sophisticated. You do not need to add any watermarks (visible or invisible) to your video to make it identifiable by this tech - it works with any video as is. And since it's pixel-by-pixel comparing, it can find matches even if the original video was strongly modified, for example recompressed, cropped, rewatermarked etc.

This thing is cool, it's just very server intensive - that's why they're not offering the whole lot of tubes with their monitoring services, and limit the amount of videos that you can submit for a fixed price. This thing is just too heavy on CPU usage to let it loose scanning all infringing sites comparing all finds with the database of a million protected vids and charge $10/month for that.

Aside from CPU issues, the cost of a license is still out of this world for most DFP apps - one more reason why all DFP services charge insane prices.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital...fingerprinting

This issue was already addressed - it turned out their Paid Content Partner Program is free for producers. PAID means that they (pornhub) are paying producers for their content usage in the form of sending joins to their sites.