just kno when to fold em. just sayin' :2 cents:

Well let's see! We're going through a recession here and people are desperate for money and will do anything including grinding out internet poker all day for the past 4-5 years straight... umm on top of that poker exploded and you have even more people playing and getting better... and on top of that since the internet is huge you have tight-ass international players world wide that can make 50 bucks a day and live well

But blackvaginafinder has watched a poker for dummies dvd~! now he's ready to take them all on, sipping wine and smoking weed and making 100$/day ... :uhoh

Kill yourself...

This post is so ironic it's incredible

Everything you said just described the characteristics of someone that is going to lose all their money and knows absolutely nothing about poker...

It's worked for me in the porn biz...Obviously it hasn't worked for YOU...Just like in poker, there are winners and losers....You're a loser in the porn biz so I wouldn't listen to you about poker because you haven't proven yourself.

Yeah way to take the high road you fucking clown

Go ahead and lose some money in poker

Just like a typical person - speak to them rudely because they're talking like an IDIOT and instead of listening to your otherwise very valid points they continue to be ignorant instead... pathetic piece of shit

What's worked for you in the porn biz? making 100$/day? idiot... your office is a shady van where you fuck the most disgusting cracked out old nigra whores I've ever seen :disgust:disgust:disgust :Oh crap:Oh crap:Oh crap

I made a quick vid of my office for you:



I've had a few successful porn sites, most/all of which I've sold at this point - working on some other things now since this industry is in an absolute shit state :disgust

As for poker - literally everything you have said IS THE EXACT OPPOSITE OF WHAT THE ACTUAL REALITY IS. Whether you think I'm an asshole or not or whether I call you an IDIOT or not doesn't change this FACT.

You have absolutely no clue what you're fucking talking about - and EVERYONE in poker, grinders, lucksacks, donkeys, prodigys, poker millionaires, internet poker millionaires, celebrities, LOSE FIRST and lose A LOT.

Sorel Mizzi was a friend of mine before he became an online poker millionaire - he sat in his 400$/month apartment grinding daily and lost about 15-20k before making his millions.

But this blackvaginaidiot is going to come into the game sounding more ignorant than the disgusting crack whores he fucks and take it all down :thumbsup

Hey man! I went to the park today and beat all the (play money) kids in basketball! Now I'm going to be in the NBA!!!!~~~!!!1 - this is what you sound like to anyone with any poker experience

LOL aspergers much?

I can coach you BVF. ;-)
Or you can start here: http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/7/no-limit-holdem/

Everyone else here is going to give you referral links or say otherwise likeminded shit

I'll just tell you the truth: YOU ARE AN IDIOT AND YOU SUCK AT POKER :thumbsup

He's too stupid to take your advice

I'm finally getting to these replies, but I'm sure this fucking clown just skipped right over them :thumbsup

don't forget online casinos and online sportsbetting

Completely overlooking the fact that the PEOPLE playing on real money tables are worlds ahead of those playing on play money tables... :uhoh

lolz - complete opposite

people on play money tables are just as stupid as you and can get bullied

someone on a real money table is going to call you down with a hand that is going to blow your fucking mind

If this guy could really 'coach' you then he'd be too busy making money as opposed to offering coaching lessons :2 cents:

just shat all over your dumb thread

~ ttyl

playing for play money and real money are 2 different games completely. Playing for play money should never be used to bench mark how well you could do for real money. If words like table position, bankroll management, table selection don't mean anything to you then just play recreationally only.

I'm up 193 since starting this thread...It seems the key to poker is being ready to fold EARLY....You're going to lose most of the time so lose a little bit and win a lot....And don't commit to a bad hand past the turn...Don't hang in there til the river.

So what if I was LOSING on a regular with play money?....Then what would that mean?...This shit is fucking easy...Why am I winning while others are losing with PLAY MONEY?....

I lose most of the time...So I just fold if I have a bad hand....I only lose $2-$8 on a bad hand...I win way more than that when I win...So It's just a staggering increase.

Free online Poker site/software
 

You know of any other free online poker games. I found PokerTH portable from portableapps.com or http://www.pokerth.net/

It's kinda cool you can create your own private game with GFY members.

You are such an ignorant fucking nignog it's incredible... :1orglaugh

I'm up 105 since the beginning of this thread and I left the table....When It's my money, I will be starting with $100...If I lose that $100 for the day, I'm done...If I get past $100 to like $200-300 and then lose to near $100, I will leave the table and play the rest of the day with play money...Discipline is the key.

I have a friend that has been playing online for years. He quit his day job about 2 years ago to play full-time with a $100/day goal... he easily exceeds that and also takes several annual trips to Vegas for live play. He says the hardest thing is being consistent. He'll win $1K in a day and then slack off for a week... probably similar to 90% of webmasters. :)

Good luck. It's hard to make it even as a rake back pro now a days.

I can't believe you're still talking about play money :uhoh

You're going to lose/fail miserably :thumbsup

Big mistake. Get out while you can. :2 cents:

Forget about play money! Sit down at $5 or $10 NL and prepare to be crushed.

You should load your account, start a cash micro stakes table, and post your pokerstars name. We can join your table and play with ya ;)

post the poker site and post your username. This way we can track how much you are actually winning and losing and see what type of player you are

I have a friend making a living off online poker and another losing everything he's got. :error

When you start playing real money on pokerstars can you please tell me your username. Id very much like to add you as a friend. :-)

My username on pokerstars is mrnogoodNRJ. I'll be loading my account in a week or two.

I've never liked gambling, that's maybe why I'm still poor as fuck... or... maybe that's why I'm not homeless yet hmmm...

There's no money in poker.

http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2010/0602...rachi1_300.jpg

Everyone that plays poker either is that guy or knows a guy that "knows it all".

Including me. :pimp

All that money, and all money "won" in poker came directly from other people. You're not providing a service, supplying a good, or doing anything other than directly taking other people's money!

For each poker genius millionaire, there are at least a million losers that lost their money.

It starts like this:

Idiots like black vagina finder sign up and lose money to:
level 1 guy
Level 1 guy loses to level 2 guy
and up and up and up until it gets to the pros that win it all

The only ones that win money besides pros and semi-pros are the grinders and grinding is just as useless and just as unprofitable as a normal desk job...

I play pokerstars but only for the fun of playing poker.

I can only play tournaments or sit n goes. Not to keen on cash games.

No your limits though.

omg I just looked at your site :disgust :disgust :disgust

http://www.blackvaginafinder.com/sma...allrobbin1.JPG :uhoh

Erm.. poker is NOT a game to be played with "play money", since money is a vital component of the game.

To say you're good at poker based on your play money experience is like saying you're a good football player because you jogg nicely.

so I ask again. What would it mean if I LOST consistently with play money? What would THAT mean?

Walk awya while you can.
I know quite a few people that keep trying and end up loosing huge....and they are actually GOOD at it!

Wouldn't mean shit because play money poker IS NOT poker.

Anybody saying quit or walk away can go fuck themselves. Only an idiot would lose thousands. Somebodys gotta win and lose. Don't tell me to quit because YOU lost.

Your office looks like shit and you're trying way too hard.

I was in the room when this happened in Monte Carlo.. Ridiculous hand.. I'd made friends that week with all of Paul Jackson's friends from England, and was standing with them and the copper baron who paid for his and 9 other guy's entries into the tournament ($25k buyin) while this hand was going on.. The tournament ended fairly soon afterwards, and Phil told him what he had then.. Paul came over and we asked what they both had, and we were all stunned.. We obviously thought they both had big hands..

I think this hand was from the Full Tilt tournament, not the $25k buyin event.

Phil Ivey took down both tournaments that week, for $1m and $600k respectively. And true story.. Both times he won and was getting ready to get the big check, I said "HEY PHIL, your fly's down!!" and he looked, both times. ;)

I was eating at Cleo's in Vegas in maybe 2008, and Phil Ivey walked in with his wife.. I recognized him from the back of his head lol.. He kept looking over and I could tell he remember me but couldn't figure out where from. He drives a black Mercedes McLaren SLR.

This is not quite correct. If you can't beat a play-money game, you will not be able to beat a real-money game. The reason is simple: the play-money poker players are worse than the real-money players. So if you're just starting to learn the game, why would you intentionally skip the process of learning against weaker players?

Having said that, beating the play-money games is NOT an indicator that you can beat the small-stakes real-money games. However, if you cannot beat the play-money games, you will not beat the real-money games.

The solution to this is simple: play in games where collusion is limited:

Rush Poker (Full Tilt)
Triple Draw / Badugi (PokerStars) (collusion is possible, but most colluders are drawn to the anonymity of the larger player pools over in No-limit Hold'em or PLO)

Yes, I think it was an author (David Sklansky?) that said that anyone who can make money at poker is smart enough to make a lot more money doing something else.

To alleviate the boredom, I suggest playing games that aren't boring! For example, mix games, draw games (2-7 triple draw, badugi), or Rush Poker. The mix games make you think, and force you to analyze many different situations. Also, you can take advantage of other players' weaknesses in particular games (because no one is good at all the games).

Draw games are fun because there are more decisions per hand.

You've grasped an important concept: the biggest mistake that losing players make is that they play too many hands. A winning approach to no-limit hold'em (nine- or ten-handed) is to play 15% to 20% of your hands. You'll typically see losing players play 23% or even 40% of their hands!

What happens is that the bad hands are so far behind that they have to catch miracle cards to draw out, and the money odds (pot odds) offered when they do so aren't enough to negate the money they lose when they don't.

You'll see world-class poker players play terrible hands (on TV or online), but they're doing that for meta-game reasons (i.e. they're attempting to deceive their opponents on a higher level than just this one particular hand). When you're starting out, you should stick to the very good hands, and even then realize that you'll frequently get drawn out on.

Discipline is certainly a fundamental aspect to winning poker, but what you're describing is NOT discipline. What you're thinking of is what many people call "bankroll management", but is actually "money management", and it's very flawed.

(Mason Malmuth wrote about this in much better detail in Gambling Theory and Other Topics)

"Money Management" is usually one of the following:
a) changing bet sizes to turn a negative expectation bet into a positive expectation bet (think Martingale progression at roulette)

b) using stop-losses or stop-wins to determine when to stop betting (playing)


Variation (a) is beyond the scope of this thread.
(b) is not a good approach to poker because if you're a winning player, all that matters is your future expectation (assuming you have the bankroll to withstand variance). So if you get unlucky and lose your $100, and then quit, you've cost yourself potential money that you could have won if you had bought back in and realized that potential.

Of course, if you're actually a losing player, then no "money management" can save you from eventually going broke. Only careful analysis of your play will tell you if you're a winning or losing player.

Also, another thing to keep in mind is game dynamics. You can be a winning player in *this* particular game, but as soon as the worst two players pack up and leave, to be replaced by very good players, you may be a losing player in this *new* game.

This thread is cracking me up, chronig is right, you know how many people think they are good because they win with play money and then lose their ass because they think its easy?

I've played A LOT of poker the past 10 years, read a number of books and if I discipline myself I can make anywhere from $50 to $500 in a setting, but it took a lot of learning and time to reach that point. If you're in a bad mood about something or tired you can and will lose your entire roll very quickly. There is much more to the game than what most people think and the cards are the least of it. Knowing what I know now reading as many books as you can is mandatory.