This thread has to be joke right? I read the whole thing thinking it had to be. I mean he honestly seems like he is serious sometimes, but there's just no way.

Winning with play money. Read a "dummies guide". Going to win $100/day.

I couldn't think of anything that could be said which would make it even more unbelievable. He has GOTTA to be fucking with us all.

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BVF listen to these people. Play money and real money are apples and oranges, the play money game only exists to upsell players to real money. Think about how many play money players are only there because they don't have the means to fund their account (ie. teenagers).

Winning at poker long term is a lot different than winning a few hands and folding your bad ones early. Throw $100 into a real money account and see how it goes after a week of playing before you start telling people how easy it is.

Enough with bragging about winning 100 play money credits though.

Just don't do it.

It will consume you. The lure of "easy money" is very powerful. For every 1 winner at the table, there are 8 losers. Even if you are smart, you will lose eventually.

The high stakes players on TV have millions and sponsors. Watching them play poker on tv is like watching you playing for pennies with children.

Online poker seduces and lures people into thinking they can make "$100 a day." And you can for a few days... then down a couple, then up a couple...

BUT, what you don't notice is, you're playing all the time wasting your life behind a computer not making any real money. That is the real waste. The time loss and not accomplishing anything with your life.

Don't be consumed in the "financial masturbation" that is online gambling.

BTW, playing for "fake chips" is different than plyaing with real money. Every drunk idiot is on there "calling" with shit, and losing, cause it's fake.

That's the genious of the set up. It gives you a big ego thinking, "yeah, I can beat this game." Well, you can't. Nobody can.

Also, the real money games have 3 and 4 people sitting together in one room just waiting to cut up new players. Young people are very smart. Imagine 5 guys in one living room all on lap tops telling each other what they have and how to check and raise you out of every cent.

There is no regulation on it. No IP control.

Don't waste your life. If you want to play and have some fun, go to a real casino, at least you'll have a fighting chance to really lose the rest of your life.

Bullshit, there are plenty of people out there that can beat the game. I have a friend who makes a nice living multi-tabling $200 NL.

A serious exaggeration. There is collusion control. Even high stakes players that soft-play each other a little can and do get busted.

Everything you said here except the fake chips comment is complete bullshit. Lots of people make a living playing online, not all and probably less than half of the players on TV are millionaires and have sponsors, and there is quite a bit of quality control to prevent player collusion. Your post sounds like it was lifted right out of Nancy Reagans 'just say no' drug campaign.

I can't believe this is a serious post.. This BVF is a college man.. Intelligent, educated.. Isn't he? He is, right?

Well.. In case you're serious.. If you want to get to some goal.. $100/day for example.. You need to be willing to put a-lot of time into learning the game.

You have to work your way up.. You haven't even mentioned what limit you're going to play, I don't think you have.. $100/day doesn't sound like a-lot, but when you look at the number of hours you're really willing to spend while you're learning and then once the new wears off, the rake, variance, etc.... $100/day takes time to work up to.. Unless you're ready to bleed away tens of thousands of dollars while you're busy learning.

Many of the best players out there end up broke.. because no matter how good you are, there are going to be times you'll run bad for a week.. a month.... one time it'll be a year and BLAM. You need to go and do the research, do the math.

First of all ... you should have (completely liquid disposable money) hundreds of x the BB of whatever limit you're going to play.. especially if you're playing NL.

Stop playing the fake money games. Stop now. All you're doing is folding all of the time and being paid off every time you make a hand because you're surrounded by maniacs who didn't pay a buy-in. They'll never pay you off like that at real tables. And if you fold all of the time at the drop of a hat, they'll run over you. Badly. Fake money games will never help your real money game!

BVF has

1. Discipline
2. Intelligence

If he really wants to do it, he will.. but I don't think he has any idea of what kind of work will have to go into it. Personally, I'd much rather spend my time having blowjobs from funny looking women than sit in a chair playing poker all day. :1orglaugh

remember this: You don't play with your cards, You play with other players cards!

Y'all were right about the "play money" tables....People who don't have money to lose play like idiots....A fool will draw a KJ and instantly start betting it up before the flop...Also, you can't bluff fake money players because they don't give a shit.

So now I funded my account and instead of playing the $2/$4 tables, I'm playing the $0.02/$0.04 tables...The action is slower than in play money because people actually have to think more...Also in play money, whatever hand you had showed up on your screen...Now you have to actually read every card...This caused me to win a hand with a straight from Ace to 5 with very little money because I didn't raise the bets and kept checking...That's because I DIDN'T EVEN KNOW that you could get a straight from Ace to 5.

I've also realized that I have to throw in a LOT of hands before they even get to flop...I played EVERY hand at least until the flop in the play money room.....But to listen to people and just walk away is ludicrous...I can afford to play the low money tables all day every day until I get good...Hell, if EVERYBODY was losing, nobody would be playing...

Poker's a day to learn and a lifetime to master. ~Robert Williamson

BVF .. I think the way your brain works would go real well with a game called Omaha 8b .. Do yourself a huge favor and learn that game .. I can see that game paying off huge for someone like you.

BVF I play at full tilt and this is the BEST thing I've learned about online poker.......GET AWAY FROM THOSE RING GAMES the $2 and $4 or even the .02 and .04
I only play tournments.........I buy in and everyone starts equal so bankroll (cash in your account) has NO BEARING on a tournment. Once you buy in that is the most you can lose in that tournment so all you can really do is WIN.
Ring games or cash games are a NO WIN deal in online poker because when you are playing that kind of game online someone ALWAYS has more money than you and overall that is what wins cash games.

I hope that helps you and I hope that makes sense :)

Making a living now, but see how he is doing in the future. Eventually they ALL lose. All of them. It's a matter of simple mathematics. Only .0000001 % of poker players make a living at it for their ENTIRE lives and when they are old, they look back at a life of sitting on their asses, playing with chips and cards all day long and having accomplished nothing with their pathetic lives. Poker is a GAME. Not a career or a job. It accomplishes nothing and takes away everything. It warps your sense of what a dollar is really worth and warps the concept of accomplishment. It's the "American Dream" of free lunch that seduces idiots to the table. All these poker players think they are all "smart" cause they know when to raise and when to fold... then they pat themselves on the back thinking how smart they are and that they don't have to work a real job because they are oh so clever.

One day when your friend hits you up for the rent money cause he's wasted broke, you'll remember this post.

:D I giggled.

Not true. A recent study of online poker players (which was performed by using PokerStars server data) showed that about 90% of players are losing players.

Yes, it is. As long as there is more money coming into the poker economy than leaving it, an individual can be a long-term winner.

Money coming in:
new players depositing
existing players re-depositing

Money leaving:
rake / fees
winners cashing out

Since there are people turning 18 (21) every day, there will never be a shortage of new players willing to try the game. As long as the overall player pool's skill level is lower than the "effective skill level" of the rake, there will be long-term winners.

Although I agree that it's not really what most people would consider a career, it certainly can be a job.

I also disagree that poker accomplishes nothing. It can teach you many things, including fundamental math, risk analysis, critical thinking under pressure, discipline, pyschology, and social interaction.

What does being a "professional football player" accomplish?

The real professional poker players don't pat themselves on the back because they think they're clever. Instead, they constantly think about how they could have improved their play in a particular situation.

Unless you know the opponent personally, how can you know what his total bankroll is? Especially online, you don't. Therefore, how can you know how much money that particular player has available to him? If you know your opponent is playing with case money, and he makes a big bet, you can probably fold your medium-strength hand. On the other hand, if you know he has a lot of money, you might call or raise his bet.

But how would you know the difference?

In a broader sense, though, this idea is incorrect (that is, that players with larger bankrolls will beat players with smaller bankrolls). The only thing a larger bankroll does is either: a) keep a losing player in action longer (there's no bankroll large enough to make a losing player a winner; he will eventually lose it all) or b) enable a winning player to withstand a losing streak.

I think what you might mean is that a player with a larger *chip stack* can bully or buy pots from people with smaller chip stacks. However, this is also incorrect, because poker is played "table stakes", meaning that you can only lose what you have in front of you. So if you have $100 in front of you, and you and I play a pot where I have only $20 in front of me, your extra $80 makes no difference, because the "effective stack" is only $20 in this hand.

That is correct...

Plus this thread is three pages of people telling me to quit...If I quit when people told me that NOBODY would purchase pictures of naked crackheads, then BVF wouldn't be THE MOST POPULAR BLACK AMATEUR PAYSITE IN ALL THE WORLD!....Think I'm lying? Find one more popular than me...

So once again to the naysayers, Go fuck yourselves....I'm playing with real money now and it's actually easier to play because people are now playing with common sense.

I didn't say to quit .. I said to do your homework .. The odds of just picking up the game and being a winning player are astronomically against you.. Do your homework and do it right, you get a chance. Learn that game I spoke of. You will love it.

I have now moved up to the .50/1.00 tables...I've noticed that the more money involved, the more serious the player...Play money players are the worst....In the 0.02/0.04 rooms, it's full of Russians who are probably colluding behind the scenes and raising damn near every hand pre-flop....

In fact, I'm playing right now.....and still my BIGGEST flaw is chasing those two pairs...Once I get that under control, I'll be unstoppable.

We'll check in with you a year from now, when your broke with your pants around your ankles in an alley somewhere.

Your paysite is a piece of shit :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Let alone that all you do on that paysite is fuck disgusting pieces of shit :disgust

So now you're playing .02/.04 NL? woo hoo!!! and you can already notice a difference in the style of play? Awesome - you're doing great, just keep working your way up gradually and in 30 years you'll be making your 100$/day on a legit table :thumbsup

People are telling you to quit and walk away because Poker isn't a business for 99% of people that play it.... yep that's right, poker is even less of a business than your horrible website.

For the other 1% of people that poker is a business for:

- .8% are fat/scummy/low-life grinders
- .1% semi-pros
- .1% pros

One of the best hands ever recorded - lucky to have been there - cool

I laughed, i laughed hard reading this thread. Thank BVF.
On the other hand, if you want to play poker, get your ass off your computer, and sit your ass at a real table. That's where the fun begins.
Don't get me wrong, i played and liked online poker, but you're missing a big part of the game online : the other players. I couldn't get back to online after sitting at a table, that's much better, the feeling is not the same, you have your chips in front of your, you see the other player, you can actually read him (or try :D ).

For your best interest, either get this as a hobby, or just drop it. I tried to get a stable thing going on for 6month, 6 tables on 3 screen, after 6months and an initial buy in of 300$ i was up only 1500$ , that's a lousy 8.33$/day, i'm not a poker genius, but i'm not bad, to get a stable 100$/day, that's gonna require a LOT of discipline, a LOT of knowledge on Poker strategy and a very good understanding of bankroll management, as well as knowing what's your best game (tournament? ring table? 6 seated? 9 seated? turbo? ...) so yeah forget about a 100$. Keep a 10$/day is already pretty hard if you follow the BR management guidelines (you don't have to, but i'd recommend you do, those are pretty good if you don't want to get busted at a high stake table without the BR to back you up...)

I would like to get into live play eventually but I'm going to stick to online because I can do it anytime I want.....

And as long as there are people online making money, I'm gonna keep trying.

Then your mom will fit right in....Tell that bitch to get at me.

I suggest you stay away from .50/1dollar until you have a better idea of what the hell your doing. Start out small and consider playing more than one table at a time. Get a lot of hands under your belt and move up in stakes 1 level at a time as your bankroll allows.

Someone might have already mentioned it, but you need software to track stats. I suggest Hold'em Manager or Poker Tracker, both have free trials.

Get some books and read them, more than once. This will improve your play so fucking much!

Finally, spend some time on the twoplustwo.com forums. Not easy to navigate but that place is loaded with great free information.

I suggest you look up something called bankroll management. That's very important if you want to keep playing poker without going broke to many times..

Thanks...I've started playing 7 card stud with better results....I like playing with good ole americans....Playing holdem with a bunch of russians was starting to bore me.

I don't play 7 card stud online. But it seems like a shitty way to make money, especially when you look at the number of tables available.

Buck up and play some No Limit Hold'em or Pot Limit Omaha - I suggest you start with NLH.

Congrats on your discovery.