if they want to make an account inactive they can... but they should PAY the affiliates... if they don't want my traffic: PAY ME AND CLOSE MY ACCOUNT... it is not that hard is it?

the latest reply they gave me on the support ticket was the following:

isn't that quite FISHY?
I hope to hear from the guys on the TOP of MORE NICHE... not from their LAME SUPPORT

Fuck 'em then. It's less than $50. Sorry you got screwed by it. Bump the thread every now and then and on any webmaster board where you see them mentioned tell your story again and again. You'll probably cost them $5,000+ in no time. :2 cents:

Shady ass shit...

maybe I should do that also on their support forum... but most likely they will ban me once I post anything there...

tell me about it....

from More Niche's INDEX PAGE:
if only that was true...
things only go from BAD TO WORSE...

seems like More Niche doesn't give a damn about PAYING THEIR AFFILIATES...

I have 2000+ sales with MN and don't have problems like this :pimp

haven't seen MoreNiche on GFY for quite some time, so it seems quite stupid to post here. Should post in their forum :2 cents:

Hi Guys,

First of all I am very sorry about the delay in posting here, I have only just been informed about the thread and so here I am.

In regards to the clause 7.10 this was indeed added on January 1st 2009 as part of a full accounting review, we updated the public terms (the ones you agree to when you join) but have overlooked a 'copy' of the terms which is on show in the affiliate area, this will be fixed and only one copy of the terms will be accessible moving forwards.

An email was sent to affiliates alerting them to the change of terms.

An email is automatically sent on the 11th month of inactivity explaining that if your account remains inactive then your balance will be removed. The minimum balance is only $100 so that is the most anybody can lose.

This process is in place to protect our business for accumulating large debtors and has been approved by both our lawyers and accountants.

This process is in place to protect our active affiliates and ensure we can continue to pay the large commissions that we do.

ANY affiliate network which does not have a similar process in place is just asking for trouble and maybe they do not have the handle on their accounts which we do.

We pay over 200 affiliates every two weeks without fail, we always pay ALL affiliates as per our terms and we do guarantee every payout (again according to our terms).

I am sorry you have lost this money and as a good will gesture I will be willing to send this to you, please email me your payment details.

Thanks.

Exactamundo.

Nice to see. :thumbsup

Regarding your policy I believe making it dependent on traffic is more reasonable. Conceivably an affiliate could send you 100,000 hits and still not make a sale. Also the proper thing to do is close the account and send the affiliate payment perhaps minus a reasonable processing fee.

Thanks for the feedback signupdamnit, I will look into making this change moving forwards. :thumbsup

You could just pay out those accounts (that didn't reach the payout minimum you set) at the end of the year. That would be an honest way to handle things and prevent the problem you are referring to. It would also encourage small and beginning affiliates to try your program. The way you are doing things right now creates the impression of a company that is so desperate it will do anything to save a buck.

Don't take this as a personal attack, see it as a word of advice. Removing that clause from your TOS will do a lot more to save your reputation and even promote your company while "our lawyers approved it" style posts usually attract more negative publicity on the boards.
:2 cents:

Hello Andy!

I have always wondered about programs pushing penis enlargement pills, do they know they are actually scamming people?
Andy..do you realize that some of the sites you promote are selling snake oils?
Can you give me a link to a study where it shows how exactly a pill can enlarge a penis?
Please prove me wrong with links to studies that say that penis enlargement pills actually do work.

Yes, penis enlargement pills are scamming people. There is no pill that will enlarge your penis, which is why I completely quite selling my own label. Exercises do work however. Regarding MoreNiche, They just don't seem to give a damn about you. I've been screwed over a few times now and the fact is eventually they just stop emailing you. Darren has vanished many times in the middle of deals, I wouldn't trust him at all. :2 cents:

LOL, no inconsistency between those sentences at all.

As somebody else has pointed out, if your interest is in closing out inactive accounts, you pay the money as you go. Routinely, every penny.

Any affiliate program that does not routinely and zealously pay every dime that affiliates have earned is shouting to affiliates that they should stay far, far away. Because if they are casual about your nickels and dimes, they'll be even more casual when the chance arises to grab your thousands.

oops that really sucks

GFY, More Niche scammed me out of 2 commisions that with my 3rd sale would have initiated a payment for me. There are simply too many affiliate programs with integrity to deal with than the shady fuckers at More Niche...spin it anyway you want, you're stealing from affiliates that sent you sales.....

What a complete load of horse shit.

100

:disgust

100 scammy bastards

sorry but that sounds like you fucked up and expect your affiliates to suffer because of your fuckup.

sorry but that is unacceptable. if you are going to change terms to seize money people earned and were promised under your old terms , you should have implemented a system that webmasters AGREE to the new terms.

i have a process in place to protect myself from accumulating large debtors too, i pay them. It is a novel idea, just might work.

Do your lawyers or accountants send you sales ? then i would expect you get approval from the people MAKING you money , not the people taking your money :) just a suggestion though.



cmon now, thats a load of horseshit, how does this "protect active affiliates" in ANY way.
Not much comfort knowing you are paying new affiliates with money seized from old affiliates. kind of a ponzi scheme isn't it..


what kind of process would that be ? the one where you have 2 different terms, the one where your affiliates aren't aware of tos changes ? The only time my accounts have EVER been closed due to inactivity from any sponsor i have been sent a check with the current amount due.




i think if you are going to quote how many affiliates you pay it is only fair you post how many people don't get paid .


that is not much of a guarantee if the true disclaimer is " unless we change the terms tomorrow and decide not to pay you because our lawyers and accountants say its cool "



this last quote is the ONLY thing you should have said in this thread :2 cents:..

Has anyone had any issues with SellHealth's program? I have been looking at both. Was considering pushing both, but I'll probably stick with SH for now if the feedback from affiliates there is mostly positive...

am hungry, need food, so I'll keep it short: SH rocks.

That's all I need to hear. :thumbsup A couple more confirmations and I'll be comfortable moving forward with my plans.

Mind going into a little more detail on this? How does that policy protect active affiliates?

And if its such a concern how many accounts with money owed do you deactivate every year? In this reply you make it sound like its a sizeable sum.

Somebody should create a GFY Bullshit HOF. Every year people can nominate quotes from sponsors and then the community can vote on what BS response makes the cut.

Just logged in to grab links and give a try to some of the new products and found out they swindled out of 69 bucks for the sale that was made in 2007 lol I did not even know it was there...

and no change was noticed because you STILL HAVE 2 DIFFERENT TERMS...

An email is automatically sent on the 11th month of inactivity explaining that if your account remains inactive then your balance will be removed. The minimum balance is only $100 so that is the most anybody can lose.[/quote]Foward me a copy of the email you claim to have sent me, as I said before I received NO EMAIL saying that my account was about to become inactive and that my funds were about to be removed

didn't I show you that you have 2 different terms and conditions on your website for almost 2 years?

as a good gesture you will pay the commission I generated... you can have my info on my more niche account... the account number is on my 1st post screenshots

fuck more niche, there are simply too many honest affiliate programs than to deal with these snakes

Another sponsor on the list of people to not make business with.
The list gets quite long... :(

Actually, MN only has 1 "enlargement" pill offer amongst all the others.. And they lean towards marketing it as a "suppliment" to traction devices or natural exercises.. When a person orders the penis pill, they get access to the natural exercises website... So while people can argue about the entire issue, at the least MN is attempting to be more upfront with customers.

Here's the problem with this policy... I believe I actually fell into this and you guys removed my balance... I never received any email... I'm not sure though if that's exactly what happened or not though.

The most important thing however is that all that time I was sending traffic... Quite a bit if I remember correctly but it never converted... Now is that my fault??? I think not... Now I could have just dumped you guys for "screwing" me but I didn't... A few months ago I decided to put more effort into the type of products you have for sale, did up more targeted advertising etc. and have been making both of us some sales every month... Now if I had dumped you guys for screwing me, you would have lost that traffic and sales to your competitors... In other words, you would have ended up fucking yourself over for having such a short term mentality.

As someone else I think said, a MUCH better poilicy would be to just cash out those affiliates if the company is truly so concerned about this issue.

they actually DON'T SEND THE EMAIL ON THE 11th MONTH!!
you didn't receive... I didn't receive neither did ANYONE ELSE THAT POSTED HERE THAT GOT THEIR COMMISSIONS REMOVED FROM THEIR ACCOUNTS!

Sounds a little scammy now to me.

I am really hoping to hear MORE from MORE NICHE...

so it looks like it is over on their end...

funny how you don't like snake oil but love paxum.... oh how you sleep at night with that conflict LMAO :1orglaugh

Black listed:2 cents:

It might not be "fair" but I think this happens with almost every sponsor, that they don't pay until you meet the minimum payment limit, and often disable accounts that haven't generated any sales or traffic in 12 months. But not every case like this end up being 3+ pages long thread here..

really. almost every sponsor removes accounts and takes the money? name them. go on.