Stocktrader, but thats because us Banks are in the stone ages, not why european ones are ;)

In a European bank it will take you usually 5 minutes to send 5000 wires, both inner country, eu and international. That includes logging into their banking backend and such.

Sending 10000 will take around 2 seconds longer...

Talk about backwards ass country!

The wires all cost well below 10 eur too. High speed wires inside of the eu cost around 7 eur and arrive in 40 minutes, guaranteed. Arrive means credited to the receiver account with a same day value date.

Either way, checks cost money in Europe to cash simply because eu banks are not connected to the us banking systems. Some few banks in the eu actually setup a connection to the ach network and convert paper checks to ach payments making them much fastrrvabd cheaper. They just do not do it for everyone...

Dude, really... If you got absolutely no clue about banking systems in other countries than your own, why don't you just stfu?

I login to the online banking system of my bank, fill in the number of recipient's bank and his account number, along with the desired amount and a memo, if necessary. On the next day, or after 2 days if his bank is slow, it's on his account. Really unbelievable that you still have paper forms for wires in the US.

Will76, you are the biggest whiner on this board. You whine about everything.

Get your periods in check.

So you guy's have the same dilemma with wires that we have with foreign checks? A wire takes 1min(if I don't have bulk setup like companies have) to send from my computer here at home to any one in the world and the cost is $7 with a 2 day arrival time if outside the EU.

For sponsors in here, a little birdy tells me international wires can be sent for $5 from here.

http://www.afex.com/

A lot of sponsors charges more for wire beacuse they charge service as well.

Hah - I ran for Mayor of Douche City last year but lost to FatFoo. Sigh.

wrong. Affiliate traffic is a commodity.

wrong. You are simply a vendor - for example, in many businesses payment is made via a credit card and the vendor pays 1.5 - 3.5% processing, thus "paying" to get paid.

The issue is this: 95% of affiliates are not business people - they are just worker-bees who invest sweat equity in return for a commission. Most add little to no value, and risk little to none of their own capital. They are simply brokers earning money due to the long-tail nature of internet traffic, i.e. asymmetrical information and traffic distribution.

Did I say *all* affiliates? No. did i say most? Yes. Adult affiliates are delusional.

Most affiliates for most sponsors don't send more than a sale a week. The people who send real traffic never want anything. It's the little peons that run around like they're traffic gods that barely send a sale a month that are beating their chests all the time. The more an affiliate whines, the less traffic they have. Fact.

your comparisons couldn't be more delusional.

Affiliates have traffic. They can sell it to anyone. Anyone. If you want to buy it, you increase your chances by making it convenient and easy for them to be paid.

If a sponsor said no epassporte and you stuck by him. you would be very happy at the moment. Im shocked no one set up a payment system that charged a low fee and was rock solid not in some tax haven. Oh wait then people would bitch about all the info they would have to give.

I just found "pending" payout on juggcash, i had epass before and 100min, and now i changed to check with 50$ min, and i see 2 sales so i will get check next payperiod, lol checks are good :)

door words man:thumbsup

I think I'll just quote this for truth, cos it costs me ?0 to wire to anyone in the world and as an automated process (if I ever had the bulk to necessitate automation) would take all of 1 second to authorise the outgoing transfers. But it will cost me ?30 to cash a US$ cheque and ?15 to receive a US wire. ?0 for either in euros.

So, let's say a US business charging $50 to send out an international wire... if they were to send that out in ?uros, that would cost nothing to receive. Charging $50 to send out a US$ wire will cost the affiliate $50 + ?15.

Your power supplier does pay a fee, that's why many do not take credit cards. It costs too much money and they simply don't have to.

Your hosting company does pay a fee to receive your money. How do you pay your hosting company? PayPal? They get charged a fee. Credit card? They get charged a fee.

My power supplier charges $2.95 for the paperless option of paying online.

Right, mine does too. I can pay them by check at no charge, same with direct deposit (which is what I do.) Credit cards and even cashiers checks I get charged a couple dollar fee.

Just got back to the PC since I made this thread and nice to see it turn into an educated discussion.


You should know that fees will vary from bank to bank and from location to location. I believe the international wires I send cost $35.


please feel free to add to it.



all of your posts to me are so personal, I feel so special. You put so much effort and thought on trying to teach me how to be a better GFY poster. I should make you my GFY life couch. It's amazing you have 200 posts and have been here for a couple months but yet you have dedicated a good portion of your time here trying to educate me on how I am doing things on GFY so wrong. I am so honored you take so much of your time to help me try to be a better person here. Please continue, I value your opinion so much. Is it ok if I consult you in the future before I post, maybe you can proof read my posts for me before hand?


honestly, why the fuck should I know what happens out side of my country and how every other country does things. That helps me make money how. I get to cash checks for freeeeee! I love how its considered "dark ages" because the other countries decided not to use them. Well guess what when most of the companies you promote are NOT located in the US, and the majority of the affiliates and customers are NOT located in the US then you guys can declare that checks are obsolete and force the rest of us to comply. Until then, checks are what most companies use, if your country is so advanced that it cost you to play with the rest us than that is your fucking problem, not mine.

you sure swung that to the other end of the spectrum. I like to think that most affiliates (that make decent money, not 1 sale a month part timers) are also "business" owners. We operate a business, have people working for us, have over head etc... no different that an affiliate program, just smaller scale. Affiliates sending traffic to a company is a B2B transaction. It should be a win win for both parties. Affiliates aren't brokers, etc..

Idiots can call themselves affiliates and idiots can "go start an affiliate program" and call themselves an owner. It's not even worth mentioning the people who don't make sales, but for the affiliates who do you are off on your assessments.

Wires do vary greatly by bank. My small little credit union charges $15, where I know some of the larger national ones charge roughly $50. So yeh, somewhat of a similar dilemma. There really is no "easy answer", it's so crazy for that to be true in our new digital age but that's the way it is.

Actually full timers tend to be business people because there are significant costs involved. Most of us aren't running on free hosts. Many of us have our own servers and other costs. There is an investment involved and a certain return expected.

I think there is a tendency among sponsors to marginalize affiliates and when that happens I think the affiliate is simply better off sending the traffic to someone else. Many sponsors and reps think exactly as you do, yet their entire business (and brand) was mostly built by affiliates. It tends to come about in part from the desire to want to increase one's own bottom line. They look around and see affiliates as a cost rather than asset. The justification becomes "affiliates don't deserve this much anyway" and so they take something from the affiliate and rationalize it.

- One sponsor I know of once openly stated on his webmaster message board that he was basically cutting the recurring commissions for affiliates because "He had to do something to keep us motivated enough to send new sales (instead of relying on rebills)." He was not joking.

- Another sponsor I know of once posted on a certain forum topic which was number one on Google for the best term in a niche that "people shouldn't click on affiliate links, instead they should click on his link" because "let them shoot their own content and open their own sites instead. They don't deserve money." Of course the affiliates were already there long before his post. The same guy also once sent me an email telling me that I had to "let him post on forums I owned (without my refcode) if I wanted to make sales". I ignored him. This person still has an affiliate program today. :upsidedow

There are some real scumbag sponsors out there. The second an affiliate sees a sponsor attempt to make excuses to justify short changing (or otherwise minimizing their worth) them they would be best advised to *immediately* stop doing business with them because chances are they will screw you if they are not doing so already. Where there is smoke there is usually fire. Be warned. :2 cents:

When did running any kind of brokerage stop being a business? Sure, you can suck at it, operate out of your moms basement with no biz cred what-so-ever or you can run it out of a modest suite in Oakville with a cpl of employees to pick up the slack where you suck yourself. I don't want to comment on your percentages, I really have no clue.

Yes, affiliate traffic is a commodity. Traffic is a commodity all need to source, and it comes at a cost.

We will always do our outmost best to get the affiliates what they need