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Originally Posted by baddog (Post 17637941)

I know, but Boxer has had her chance. I am pretty much voting to replace everyone. And yes, I have always voted for her in the past.

Well...I don't live in California anymore so I don't have a dog in the fight...bui your comment about replacing everyone rings a bell.

In New York they have a guy running from the Rent is to Damn High party. I would not mind seeing a party created called the Vote out the Incumbents Party.

some good counter-points to prop 19

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If Proposition 19 passes, California employers will no longer be eligible to receive federal government grants or contracts greater than $100,000. This includes any California businesses, governments and educational institutions that receive federal money. This will drive up California's unemployment even higher than the current rate of 2.2 million.
(41 U.S.C. sub sec 701-707).

public school superintendent John Snavely, Ed.D. warns that Proposition 19 could cost our K-12 schools as much as $9.4 billion in lost federal funding as well as the loss of millions of dollars in federal grants for our state colleges and universities.

If passed, would allow licensed marijuana dealers to advertise without restriction near schools, just like cigarette companies. This is made possible by a U.S. Supreme Court decision in 2001 entitled Lorillard Tobacco Co. v. Reilly (US Sup. Ct., Opinion per OConnor) which struck down as unconstitutional a Massachusetts statute which banned tobacco ads within 1000 feet of a school or playground.

Supporters say that taxing marijuana once it is made legal will reduce the state deficit. But, marijuana sales are illegal under federal law and the United States Supreme Court has ruled that sellers may refuse to pay the tax. Further, all taxing and regulatory authority is left to the cities, not the state.

According to an analysis released by the Los Angeles County District Attorney's office, a California employer will no longer be able to: "screen job applicants for marijuana use; regulate any employee conduct related to the use, transportation or cultivation of marijuana unless the employer can prove job impairment; or choose to maintain a drug-free workplace consistent with federal law."

summary: jobs lost, no new tax monies added, fed dollars lost.

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Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 17637668)

linda's a victim of ben & jerry. not just jerry.

:1orglaugh right on :thumbsup

and a question Arnold cant run again ?

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Originally Posted by JFK (Post 17639271)

:1orglaugh right on :thumbsup

and a question Arnold cant run again ?

I believe that there is a 2 term limit and Brown served his 2 terms before that was a law and is exempt

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Originally Posted by JFK (Post 17639271)

:1orglaugh right on :thumbsup

and a question Arnold cant run again ?

Why would we do that to ourselves again?

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Originally Posted by baddog (Post 17637513)

Please do not let Jerry Brown win again. Thank you in advance.

Not a fan of Brown, unfortunately, Meg Whitman is a 100x worse. If you think we are a failed state right now she will turn us into a third world country

damn, what's that, the 3rd time that vid has been posted in this thread?

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Originally Posted by baddog (Post 17639305)

Why would we do that to ourselves again?

well, I was just asking, as you dont seem to be having a whole lot to chose from and the devil you know is bettter than the devil you dont:winkwink:

I hear a lot of people saying "Jerry Brown Sucks" or "Meg" is evil.

Can anyone elaborate on why they feel this way? Facts pls!

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Originally Posted by kbauerctu (Post 17639396)

I hear a lot of people saying "Jerry Brown Sucks" or "Meg" is evil.

Can anyone elaborate on why they feel this way? Facts pls!

Jerry Brown has been our governor and as an example of what a crappy governor he was, he put Rose Bird on the CA Supreme Court, where they proceeded to overturn 60+ death penalty cases.

Bird was the first Supreme Court justice to be voted out of her position.

As Atty General he refuses to do his job, simply because he does not believe in the cause. That is bullshit. A lawyer must do their job whether they believe in their client or not.

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Originally Posted by baddog (Post 17639469)

All good points. Thank you for sharing. Having been born in 1983, Jerry's tenure was a bit before my time.

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Originally Posted by kbauerctu (Post 17639506)

All good points. Thank you for sharing. Having been born in 1983, Jerry's tenure was a bit before my time.

And that is the problem, people do not know, don't remember or just don't care.

I accept partial responsibility as I was a Brown fanatic the first time around. I need to make amends for my sins.

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Originally Posted by mvee (Post 17639369)

Not a fan of Brown, unfortunately, Meg Whitman is a 100x worse. If you think we are a failed state right now she will turn us into a third world country

Please share why she is 100x worse?

We know why he is worse...

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Originally Posted by baddog (Post 17637602)

I am not holding my breath on that happening.

and here's me thinking you were holding your breath because you'd just inhaled deeply....

jerry's downfall was talking about the aliens....

he will be a far cry better than meg. that woman is a nutbag