why do you equate education with a COLLEGE KID?
so only "educated" people go to school LOL.

There are many forms of gaining an education.

Many of histories leading scientists/engineers/mathematicians/teachers were chastised and forced to gain education in a more personal underground fashion.

Why do you think it is any difference these days?

Because the government tells you that you are getting educated you are? :1orglaugh

College breeds ignorance not education. many great thinkers throughout time will also agree. When you make education completely a system for the select few. it becomes more about keeping people uneducated than further educating the population.

i can guarantee you the greatest thinkers of time including scientists/engineers/mathematicians/teacher were the best because they went AWAY from the norm. not because they learnt it in class.

BS.

many studies have shown that based on averages across the whole US, college graduates only make about $3k per year more then non college educated.

$3k x ~45 years = $135k over your whole working life, last i checked a four year degree was almost the same... add in interest and you didnt get ahead at all. plus you lost four years of being a productive part of society.

wow i'm shocked by a lot of the posts here. i'm pretty sure that overall, people with a college degree have 10x times more opportunities than those without.

of course there will always be exceptions to the rule-people will always cite dropouts of college to start tech businesses. but look at where they dropped out. harvard, stanford, etc. the fact that they left an top tier program should signal to you their intelligence.

i think the quote "college breeds ignorance not education" is such a stupid claim. college is what you make of it. you can go, waste your time and money or utilize it to your advantage. only someone that has been would understand that

Metaman you have a point...especially in Alberta where someone with no education but a strong work ethic can make 80k easy...Oil Sands

lets see a link to one of those studies?

you didn't go to college. we get it. gain some true insight into your personality and see why this bothers you so much, instead of wearing your insecurity on your sleeve.

you are a broken mess, we get it. stop posting.

The world has shifted and American workers are more and more having to compete in a global marketplace. Problem is that the average non-American college graduate knows several languages, has traveled to many other countries (going to Cancun for spring break does not count), and is much more aware of the world than the average American graduate.

the op is right, social elite all have only high school diploma or g.e.d. equivalent.


wake up non-social elites!

we have a lot of high school drop outs too but we make them sit at the kiddie table

i went to school and if i could go back i would do the same thing

it's not just about what you learn, its' about the people you meet, the atmosphere, the work ethic it builds

50 college kids :)

Who funds and controls education? Government
Who funds government campaigns? Big business
Who controls business? The social elite

It is the same as every society. What makes you think for 2 seconds the people that control the system are going to teach you any truth about it?

lemme guess, you think college education is one big conspiracy then right? because we need to have a society of dumb people that don't question things so that the social elite can control them and order them around like mindless drones

No. :2 cents:

There is no "conspiracy" this information is out there for you.

Conspiracy details some kind of secret. This isn't "secret" information.

This isn't earth shattering information. It is quite obvious actually.

no metaman didn't continue his school for whatever reason and but expends tons of energy on why it doesn't bother him. doesn't bother him at all.

please share some of this obvious information that is based on facts, not your personal opinions

I am telling you they are fact. Debunk my facts then if they are not facts.

A) Government controls education
B) Big business makes millions of dollars in contributions to government
C) The social elite run big business
D) politicians like money

What are the chances are that what you are taught in school is going to be a negative view about the people who pay for it no matter how good/bad they are?

what is so hard to understand here?

what are you questioning here?

anyone serious about education goes to university not college anyways. college is based around learning a trade while university is more learning based.

A) I went to a private university, they have those in the states. no government money received, hence why the are so expensive.
B) while this is true, does that mean everything that the government touches always has a negative/controlling effect on society? they just gave money for a speed train here in florida, correlate that for me
C) the truly wealthy i feel don't care to be highly social. the rich want to look wealthy, the wealthy don't show off. this is my opinion-i am not claiming this to be fact like you are saying
D) this is true

when i say cite facts, usually it means more than you just regurgitating claims you've made

if you have never went you don't understand. like a 10 year old peeking in the window advising his neighbor on how to please his wife better.

They're bitching because they can't find many willing to work such low wages.

For example, saw a news article about a company having trouble finding skilled machinists ... turns out the company only paid around $12 per hour ... no wonder they have trouble finding people.

Ron

Businesses cant afford to pay the wage. People supposedly cant afford to work for a low wage. so where is the middle ground?

ok so what are you saying here that is debunking what i am saying? i apologize but i dont really care about your life story.

the social elite invest in programs that will educate people to work for them.

the more people working for them, making them more money the further entrenched their personal interests are into society.

the government seeks to control what people do. that is why we have a GOVERNMENT. how is this rocket science? what am i saying is wrong?

because you like to fancy yourself with a degree it all of a sudden changes the pure fact of the setup of the education system?

let me guess ghettos are just stupid people and have nothing to do with systematic stripping away of peoples right to education. that is why those areas are normally invested the least in. because of pure chance?

well that is exactly the kind of idiotic rambling I would expect somebody with the lack of a college degree to go on.

The topic of your thread was college kids and how the educational system makes them slaves. It's not like your thread was college kids and alternative methods of educating yourself. Stick with one philosophy if you are going to attempt to use it as a retort.

I think its ironic that you are creating a thread about the extremism and control of education and how apparently nobody has any control over their life..as slaves, but yet you're very own method of delivering your opinion is so extremist. I'm all 100% correct and everybody else is wrong.

The world isn't just black and white. I'm educated with two college degrees and I make porn and run a PC repair shop. Where does your tight theory of educational slavery fit into that?

You know what else. You also didn't need a medical license to cut people open. You just painted a fucking sign and called yourself a doctor. You know, thank god for the institution of higher learning and its certified members.

You know whats even funnier. People that lack college degrees trying to sound smart when they defend not having one or trying to pass it off that you don't one. You try to use a lot of fancy talk and usually create this institutionalized argument of subjugation.

The real truth is those with college degrees could care less what you think. That's the whole point in having a college degree. Knowing who and who not to listen too.

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ya you dont care that is why you wrote a rambling post. you are just as bad as agent 488, he doesnt care but has posted 4x in this thread with no one responding to him once. :1orglaugh

fact is you do care. and you will continue to care. you are so angry that someone "without a degree" could possibly have a different view than you.

keep tossing out the degrees you have, no one asked and their is something i can GUARANTEE no one cares about except yourself. Because if you didnt you wouldnt point out how "you are the exception" to my post.

whether you like it or not every time you learn something it is from someone else. living in general is a systematic process. if you want to live in la la land and pretend you are a true individual good for you man!

keep telling yourself you are free and not a pawn in someone elses game. i hope you sleep well at night. at least i like to laugh and play along.

if you arent a "slave" and do not use your degrees then what was the point? maybe because you were TOLD to get them.

Firstly, there are different measures of the unemployment rate ... the numbers you're referring to, appear to be U3 numbers. Using U6, which includes underemployed, those numbers are likely at least doubled.

But more to the point, many who are considered fully employed, are earning far less than they were in the past; jobs paying much low wages ... the new pay range for a wide range of jobs, including office, supervisory, manufacturing, etc seems to be around $8 - $15.

As for the "recovery" ... how is that going to happen when many jobs are so easy to offshore for less, while competition for the remaining jobs is so fierce that employers are requiring more from applicants and wages continue to be driven down, not just in absolute dollars, but even more so when adjusted for inflation...

Some speak of price deflation (relates to monetary supply, but not the measure I'm referring to, because most people when they speak of "inflation" are referring to prices of stuff they buy) ... but instead of inflation, think stagflation - which is a bit of both ... prices of many asset classes (ie. houses, cars, and electronics) are declining while prices of consumables / commodities are increasing.

Weird things are happening in the bond markets ... this week 5 Year TIPS sold for around negative 0.55 percent and were snapped up like hotcakes.

http://online.wsj.com/article/BT-CO-...25-711679.html

Much of the purchases were likely the Fed and various countries with reciprocal agreements to buy our debt. But many private investors bought too ... why would someone pay negative 1/2 percent for a bond ... could it be inflation is set to skyrocket ... or, possibly, that its safer, despite the cost premium, over holding cash and equities due to currency devaluation - that, in my view, is even more disconcerting.

Rambling on, but point is that if recovery is close, one would expect more asset purchases / expansion, not flight into bonds (another bubble, but that's another whole topic in and of itself) and commodities; many companies are hoarding cash for the long-haul - to cover their outstanding liabilities / keeping the business going.

Ron

what is the cheapest route a person could take to getting a bachelors degree through distant learning online?

There is about 20 000 mainstream offers to the "college of insert birdname here" to help. :helpme :1orglaugh

you're a retard, your arguments are about as solid as some paranoid schizo. do i have a degree? yes. does it afford me more opportunities than those without? yes. that's what everyone in this thread has said and supported. it doesn't mean i'm better or smarter or a fucking slave. it means i have an advantage in some capacity.

your spew is just that, worthless dribble. you kept repeating statements with no support or back up. maybe cause you didn't go to university where you learn to cite your sources?

It means you have ZERO advantage.

There is a recession going on. Your degree means NOTHING.

How can you not admit you are not a slave to a system? it is purely INSANE that you think otherwise. you have to be completely insane not to admit as humans we are slaves inside a system.

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slave (slv)
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One who is abjectly subservient to a specified person or influence
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keep telling yourself otherwise.

i have asked you 4x now. what are you debunking? ooo im a "paranoid schizo" because i have a different view. must be. let me guess you have a psychology degree now also.

MetaMan has broken free of the Matrix.

Glad to see another one has made it out.

:thumbsup

It's obvious, he also needs to read this about 350 times before posting again

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_is_th...een_to_and_too

no i don't have a psych degree. your statements are that the entire system is set up to be a factory, and that you are apparently cheating it cause you didn't get educated?

your view is just that, your view. congrats, you didn't go to school and you have what you define as success for yourself. would you be successful somewhere? probably not. i'm sure cost of living is cheaper there, you have somewhat of a network, and you have the experience. come to miami and see how that translates. degrees get your foot in the door, the rest comes after

there are plenty of legitimate studies, reports out there that "debunk" your ideas. are those all falsified, made up to fuel the slave system?

oh and you know what the best part about getting a degree? all the fun you have and the girls you meet. yeah you definitely win by avoiding the "slave system". cause i'm sure you spent age 18-22 banging more girls, partying more than regular college guys, in middle of nowhere canada

this thread needs a voice over.

Narrator: I got in everyone's hostile little face. Yes, these are bruises from fighting. Yes, I'm comfortable with that. I am enlightened.

WHOA, please point out where i am the exception? i already said i know it is all a game. I am born into this system. I'm not saying I am any different. But at least I do not lie to myself. Or lie to others about my status.

You are looking at things on such an individual basis.

There doesnt have to be a "master plan" of control.

When similar people in power have similar views they make similar decisions to keep power. Even if they arent working directly together but have the same ideology and views is it no the same as working together?

You are looking at this like reptiles looking into a fish tank of humans. I am looking at reality of the situation. You can twist and bend it to make it sound insane. but that does not change the truth of the matter.

why does it seem so crazy to you that the powerful keep the middle class in order to benefit themselves? that is the basis for every society throughout time.

but somehow you are not trapped in it? that to me is hilarious.


Ya dude you need to go to college to bang 18-22yo chicks, go to any city and there is 500 young girls looking to get fucked in every single club. LOL and you had to go to college for this? i guess you didnt not get the memo.

You start one of these threads about once every 4 months. Insecure much?

No one gives a shit that you're an illiterate high school dropout.

Some people here try to prove you wrong every time you start one of these but there's a good quote,

If you had any kind of intelligence you would not need to make an argument using other peoples quotes. :1orglaugh

your use of SOMEONE ELSES quote equals your own personal intelligence. nice try loser.

Narrator Haiku:

Worker bees can leave
Even drones can fly away
The queen is their slave