* Most of those in NON-BOLD are pipe dreams, and are definitely not being done in American schools. The American school system is for churning out "factory workers" - not leaders.


So, a starter list. The purpose of school is to:

1. Become an informed citizen
2. Be able to read for pleasure
3. Be trained in the rudimentary skills necessary for employment
4. Do well on standardized tests
5. Homogenize society, at least a bit
6. Pasteurize out the dangerous ideas
7. Give kids something to do while parents work
8. Teach future citizens how to conform
9. Teach future consumers how to desire
10. Build a social fabric
11. Create leaders who help us compete on a world stage
12. Generate future scientists who will advance medicine and technology
13. Learn for the sake of learning
14. Help people become interesting and productive
15. Defang the proletariat
16. Establish a floor below which a typical person is unlikely to fall
17. Find and celebrate prodigies, geniuses and the gifted
18. Make sure kids learn to exercise, eat right and avoid common health problems
19. Teach future citizens to obey authority
20. Teach future employees to do the same
21. Increase appreciation for art and culture
22. Teach creativity and problem solving
23. Minimize public spelling mistakes
24. Increase emotional intelligence
25. Decrease crime by teaching civics and ethics
26. Increase understanding of a life well lived
27. Make sure the sports teams have enough players



(from Seth Godin)

Links to any of those studies?

I will answer your post but first answer me this:

WHEN DID YOU GO TO COLLEGE?

I am living in the TODAY. 5+ years ago yes it may have mattered. TODAY it does not mean shit. Times have changed.

The american and Canadian system of education is complete crap and students come out of school now dumber than a pole.

What do you think all those "get your assistance degree" commercials are for?

For decades the West has been exporting jobs to the East. Technology, Engineering, Manufacturing, etc. Even here in CZ it's obvious to see the new factories and offices opening.

So what's left? Financial and look at how that crashed. But good luck upsetting them and they decide to move. Service industries, servicing who? Retail, sucking in more goods from China. Programming, India is only starting on getting this right. IBM and HP are moving jobs there as fast as they can.

When I left school in 1965 if you didn't get a job you were a real idiot or lazy. And I left with no qualifications but never had a day unemployed in my life. Todays kids have it a lot tougher. No fun to be 18 today. :(

No it is not. I am in my later 20s and I dont even bother to go out anymore. I see what is happening around me and hear. And the only solution i see is to work hard now before shit hits the fan.

Everyone in the west of in for a massive surprise. We all think we are to good for anything and walk through our lives with bullshit guarantees instead of working hard.

You have already seen in this thread people like "timlover" who go around and call people without degrees alcoholics or people applying for aid.

In fact id say the people NOT going to school these days are the smart ones. In 5 years there will be no jobs left.

I'm 33. I went to college when i was 21 and again briefly when I was 30. I'm not sure what you are getting at with that question though. Education hasn't changed all that much really. It's what people make out of it that has become a bit of a problem. Grads tend to feel a little more entitled these days, but the end result is the same. We all have to start somewhere and almost always it's not on top.

It's not up to our governments to educate us, it is up to ourselves, it always has been this way.

With the current generation being the N.I.N.J.A generation, it's hard as hell to get a job, even with a grad school degree. However, the ones that bitch about degrees are those two stupid, lazy, inept, or antisocial to actually get out of the house and do something with life.

What i am getting at is times changed. People who come in and chime in their 2 cents do not go to college TODAY. The collapse just started being publisized. My point is times have changed. Too many people think it is the same when they went.

Education is "not what you make of it". Do you think poor people go to school so they can "what you make of it"? The point of college/university in north america is to breed people for jobs and careers NOT just general education.

Only rich kids go to college/university for the experience. Those are the same kids whining about salaries. Everyone else goes to build a career.

Please stop pretending.

Unless you are going to school to become a doctor, lawyer or some other professions that requires a degree, you are being scammed. There is absolutely no reason to get into 80k into debt to get a
"communications" degree.

If mommy and daddy are paying for it or you just want to go to party then so be it.

I would say 90 percent of people I know that make good money either dropped out of college or didn't go at all.

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

What peers around me? How many shooters have 2 college degrees and finished law school?


I have a lot of schooling behind me and have no debt and no regret. Scholarships and state programs paid my way.


Meta Man you need to actually have a degree or formal education to have an opinion about school being a waste.


You sound like and angry pointless poster, with an opinion based on very little experience and a lack of formal education.




Reading your posts in this whole thread leads me to believe that:


If you were just a little bit smarter, you would be stupid.:thumbsup

No man. You must be wrong, and the people you know are liars. Just like me I'm wrong and all the people i know are liars. Including the ones who got out college these past few years and went into totally different fields wishing they had 0 student loans.

I mean all the stats taken by the people who are paid to support to education system would never lie. These are government employees. It is not like the same system they collect stats for pays their salary.

I have read your posts and the way you talk about your wife/girlfriend makes me think you have 0 respect for people in the first place. You need to get respect for the mother of your child.

Dont come in here talking about stupidity when you brag about talking down to the woman who supposedly loved you enough to have a kid with you.

:2 cents: dont point fingers, i have read your posts, you are indeed stupid. and you have 0 idea how to treat women.

you think by degrading the women around you it makes you a man?

get a life. that to me is the ultimate stupid.

i went to school you idiot. i went to enough school to realize i was tired of being taught to be stupid. like you.

Narrator:

This is your life and it's ending one minute at a time.

Times have changed how? This isn't the first time there has been economic problems and lack of jobs. It's not the first time that people have gotten out of college and didn't make money right away from it.

School is always what you make out of it... One student gets 100% on his philosophy test but doesn't understand the concepts and can't apply it to anything in his life. The other student only got 75% on the test but learns concepts and ideals that stick with them for the rest of their lives. Which student got more out of that one test?

Just an example but it holds true with anything you learn in school.

You are way too funny. Troll on dude:thumbsup

Thats why you came back in the one thread and admitted you were wrong. :2 cents:

did you make changes or do you just blow smoke? or are you "to man" to admit you know exactly what i am talking about.

i dont really care you trolled me first, lets get real here. if you think im stupid because of this thread in the real world you are twice as stupid for bragging about the way you acted.

Narrator:

And then... something happened. I let go.
Lost in oblivion -- dark and silent
and complete. I found freedom.

Losing all hope was freedom.

I'll reply again. Just exactly who do you think you are that you are somebody who can demand any kind of response from me? I'm better than you. I thought we already established that.

The difference between you and I is that I have the tools and resources available should I choose to exact change. The only thing you can do is just make soap box prophecy about the issue and complain about it.

We should change the title of your thread to: Somebody please pay attention to me

I think that would be more fitting.

Ok, I've heard your philosophy on life. Now please finish washing my window. The light has turned green. I have places to go...

:1orglaugh

http://www.bigboobteens.net/

by the looks of your site you cant even afford a car.

I hope you have a day job because with your online skills you are clearly not better than me. LOL what a joke.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=&q=boob

http://www.google.com/search?hl=&q=big+boobs

http://www.google.com/search?hl=&q=teen+boobs

seems to be doing just fine for me....

LOL this just proves what a wanker you are.

I dont care about your google listings. I care about cash. Lets see some stats. You're the big college baller. Go ahead.

lets see THIS MONTHS revenue.

Metaman, you didn't even get a high school diploma, did you?

do I include your moms deposits or just what I make off the web?

failure always tries to rationalize failure.

mom jokes now. wow you are sure proving what kind of intelligence you picked up in college.

you wont post stats because:
A) you are a wanker who is worth shit
B) you are a wanker who only cares about long job titles (i bet you in your day job you have a "Consulting of Computer Technology Engineering" title)
C) you are a wanker who thinks your google listings brings you respect
D) you are a wanker who thinks your college degree brings you respect

show me this months stats. but you wont, because you are fake, you probably brag about hits also. :1orglaugh

I care about EPC and profit not your shitty porn traffic, it doesnt mean shit to me. And probably barely worth shit to you. (which is why you wont post this months sales) :1orglaugh loser.

you forgot

e) People who have college degrees don't get goaded into pissing contests with people who are inferior to them.

that would have been on the scantron sheet had you seen one in college.

If and when I choose to post my stats it will be of my own accord, not because some uneducated Canuck challenged me to on a porn board.

once again, if you had a college degree, you would understand all of this

but you know, mad respect for putting your sixth grade education to the limits...

I guess you dont have a degree because you spent the last 12 hours making mom jokes and making yourself sound like an idiot who has 0 idea of social understanding.

I knew you wouldnt post it. your sites dont make shit. you are 100% appearance, that is why you posted google links and not real stats.

you talk so big, but then when you have the time to show you are big you once again prove my point. you are a complete wanker built on phony appearances. now go shake your bosses hand tomorrow and smile when you remember your place in this world. (by the timing of your posts i am guessing you just got in from your day job) LOL

I have a solution for this controversy that will suit everybodys needs.

Give me your address and I will send you one of my undergraduate degrees. (its ok. I have a couple)

a.) You will no longer have to self-loathe your uneducated status, and it will alleviate your need for seeking social valdiation on the board.

b.) I will have more wallspace to hang my Master degrees on.

It's a win win situation for all..

If you act in the next 3 minutes, I will throw in an associates degree as well. Free of charge.

Avoiding the topic again?

Did you or did you not just get home from your day job?

and just as i said you wont post any stats.

Here is some free info:

your google listing equate to your degrees. no one gives a fuck about them but yourself.

you wont post them because they dont make shit. so what is the point of showing them off?

Pigshit.

I think we will all be happy when the union settles and you go back to work at the plant...

you have to understand meta comes from the texas of the north where any half wit can make six figures out on the rigs. college enrollment isn't a big thing in alberta. he thinks he understands reality but can't step out of his ego for a second to see any other perspectives ...

I am a richer person for having gotten a six figure education, but I don't think I have a fatter bank account for it.

i totally agree with you... but we must face it, not everyone got the luck that you had, and not everyone dares to be an entrepeneur, most people in this forum like me is living the california gold fever. and we've all got our share. Some people will just feel insecure on a business like this one so they feel "a real job" suits them better.

I recommend reading "public opinion" by walter lippmann and "propaganda" by edward bernays.

true .

You are right, i did troll you. I was wrong and i am sorry for that.



After a few days of thought, i see the point you are trying to make. And that is you don't need college to be successfully making 6 figures or more in life. I totally agree with that. I have quite a few friend that have Millions and no college education and some with no high school diploma.


And i see and agree with you on the 2nd point you make about people going to school on daddies dime and getting nothing out of it besides debt and unemployment.


Instead of talking about groups of people who did or did not get college educated, i am going to just talk about me.

I got 2 degrees and walked away with zero debt because of the grants and scholarships. When i got out, i did see how hard it was to get a good paying job. Was very competitive with every job out there and they were paying peanuts.

Thats when i decided to go to law school. Finished that and that job market was fierce too.


At the end of the day, i did not want to work in law and i really did not want to work for corporate America. All of the natural after college choices seem to not appeal to me at all.


So at the end of the day, i used what i learned in college and law school to build out my own mainstream business and subsequently then built out my adult content production business.



For me College was a way to find out what i wanted to do and not want to do. I use what i learned in college everyday and it has been very helpful when building out my businesses.


The most important thing i learned in school is; how to learn. I leaned that i can do anything and learn anything i set my mind on with no limitations or restrictions.





For me school was not a waste and my successes will justify that.:2 cents: