D'oh. Your response is evidence of why you don't understand how to turn a buck in 2010. You think middle aged men in the femdom niche with money sit in front of their screen and cam jerking off to each other? You sir have a fairly large femdom network and yet you don't understand what's embedded in the word femdom. Who do you think is on the other end cross selling and upselling all they can? It's a social network, social networks include commercial players in 2010.

Because you are not running any social sites. You run old school cookie cutter sites with large amounts of old rotated content. Your retention is awful.

That's like saying people won't pay for food.

Porn is a major part of human life. If there was no free porn available, everyone would be paying for it.

I was so damn tired this morning I skipped the whole "men don't want to jerk off with other men on cam" stuff. Thank you.

:1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

wow we agree, for once. I should play the lottery today.

Dead on. We've tried all of the above too with exactly the same results.

Again, nobody is saying otherwise you thick fuck. Read, read again.

I've tried all sorts of things, the members really didn't give a shit. I've tried building "communities" and it just didn't pay off. I've even tried having members direct the shoots so I could cater to THEIR fantasy. I've even offered trips to Thailand where they can come and fuck the girls. Almost all just want to beat off. Nothing more. You can't get much more interactive than blowing your load inside of the models, so if you have some magic tool that is better than that, I'm all eyes and ears. Nothing I have done has helped retain them, other than to keep giving them relevant updates.

You guys all have cocks I assume. When you rub one off, what do you think about? Whatever that is, there is your answer. For me, it has EVERYTHING to do with finding a video or photo that will help me play out the fantasy in my head at the moment. That's it. That simple.

As addressed earlier, it's not so easy to add social aspects to a standard site. First you have to get it there, then you have to market it as such. There is some overlap obviously but you are going after a completely different customer for the most part.

I tried making a few social sites. It didn't help my bottom line. Could be the niche, but I just don't see porn as being a social system. Freeloading, looking at pic profiles, yes! But something that makes money, I couldn't do it. Kudos to all of you who can.

It's an awful magic tool if you are basically selling the rights to view video clips online. It's sex tourism and probably not what your demographic is looking for.

However, if you can cater to a broad spectrum of ppl through a diverse site the link between the net and the real world do work, but probably not for all niches. Just be careful not to be on the wrong side of the law.

It's not the cost of production that binds us to the present day system. It's the cost of promoting a site. Until that's altered nothing will change. Tubes get millions of hits with no or little cost of promotion. That's the only reason they can afford to give porn away for free.

If too many move to the free model with the profit in advertising, the cost of promotion will sink many.

Start with the easy, vids and pics, but make it clear from the start that it is a social site. Then broaden out with social and interactive tools. Slowly you will get the ppl who likes this stuff to use it. Voila, you got activity you can monetize.

Which shows how the "Lock Down"solution won't work. 90% of the content on the Adult Internet isn't worth locking down.

This is where locking it down works. It won't turn the clock back to 2005 but it will save some.

Good luck getting affiliates to send traffic to a site that bills 99 cents a scene.

Most people know in spades what their affiliates need and churned out crap that only worked when the consumer HAD to buy. Few sites really understand customers needs or porn.

******************

The road ahead is rocky and for many will end soon. The irony is while most on the Adult Internet chuckled that free porn was hurting mainstream porn industries. They now are losing their jobs to free porn.

Piracy isn't the problem. Eliminating it will still leave the gate open for people to put up free legit movies, or do you think Manwin will give up and go away? The problem is the low cost of hosting, the high cost of promotion and the lack of innovation, imagination and skills of those who produce the product. Most people pay as little as possible for content and the result is boring porn that's cloned on site after site.

OK, I'm not clear on one thing. What is it that the tubes are doing to lower their promotion costs?

This is the easiest part of the equation, period.

Thanks, drove my gf to the night shift.

Yeah,

1. 10 mins signing up
2. 40 mins finding something I thought I'd like
3. 5 hours downloading a 750M movie in free mode
4. 5 mins joining files
5. boooom, nailed, german girl with cum on her face. Ok, not spectacular

I get it, you want those "half of Facebook" visitors. You don't think you can come up with a better product than this? And monetize it at the same time? Thing is, they perceive this as free. It is not, if I want to get a reasonable experience out of this I have to buy at least a 48hrs premium DL product at 6 bucks or so. X 3 if I want to be able to download from all 3 filehosts this site uses (and I want to so I'm not limiting me to only 33% of their content) Thats 18 bucks for 48hrs, 26 bucks for a month.

You don't have to go down the anti piracy route to get rid of this. Just put out something superior. Trust me it's easy, your marginal costs are low. You just don't dear to let go of large parts of your library.

edit; I now want to see if I could DL something else I might like. hmmmz, Your Free-Traffic is exceeded! pls wait another 48 mins to start the next 5 hour download. Perfect.

Here is some facts:
- If you only offer pictures and videos then you are vulnerable to having all of your content stolen and put on tube sites, thus decreasing the "value" of your site since everything that people would be paying for they can find for free.
- If all you have is pictures and videos what incentives do people have to rebill? They already saw all of your content, so they paid $30.00 for a million pictures and videos (for example) and now you expect them to continue paying $30 a month for a couple hundred new pictures and videos each month?
- Stolen content is not going to go away. It's only going to get worst.
- Interaction and participation is something that is ongoing. Will it appeal to all of your users, no. Will it cause you to lose anyone, no. It will help you get more people to sign up and it will help you to retain better.

It's not web2.0, or have your member's create a profile, chat with other members, add friends, leave comments, etc.. if they want that shit they will go to facebook or myspace. While giving a trip away is something different that really doesn't work either. I doubt you can afford to give a trip away every month, and a trip will only appeal to a select few people. How many people can get off of work or school to take a trip. How many married guys would be able to pull that off. Then there is the shy, lonely type that might be intimidated to do it.

Again not everyone will want the interaction and will want to participate, but you wont lose anyone from it just generate more new sign ups and help retain people longer. You just need to add the right things to your site and promote it properly. Every site is going to be different, every surfer is going to be slightly different. If you can make cost effective changes that help makes your sales go up 10,20,30% would it be worth it ? Or at the very least cause you to stop losing money each month like a lot of membership sites are doing right now.

I totally agree... and the free porn is enough to jack off too most of the time.

we pay our members to stay its the only thing so far that has worked for retention. for us

more like your members pay to stay for the opportunity to make money.

Interaction only works for gay sites and cam sites:2 cents:
straight guys just want to blow their load then they are done:2 cents:

they not only stay to make money and watch porn they chat live with new comers and get them to join. its working great i guess its somewhat interactive:)

Get paid to watch Porn is the future:thumbsup

Roger, out of all the websites posted on this board yours has the potential to make the most money. Unfortunately, the way these kinds of sites are advertised are not compatible with adult so most people here are clueless on how to generate the traffic.

How's it doing so far? I assume you're dealing with mainstream webmasters more than adult webmasters?

TO be honest I advertise in the mainstream realm mainly but the people joining are just regular folks looking to make extra money. Its not a get rich quick system at all. just talk to those already an associate

its doing amazing. I think there are like 10 people in chat right now on holloween weekend. during the week its alot more.

they feel like its a business and they dont care its with porn. alot of couples and women join

Chase Bank just approved our merchant account now thats sick:thumbsup

I didn't even look to see if you had a regular affiliate program but I just made a post here. https://gfy.com/showthread.php?t=995199

My comments are based solely on the fact that people pushing mainstream products similar to this are making more money as affiliates than anyone here could dream of in this day and age. I've seen your sig and noticed you talking about it but I never really paid attention until now. Great shit.

Hi. I might like to promote your sites but there's a fair bit of broken English on them. Is that intentional so you can imply that this kind of thing isn't legal in America?

and you can prove this how?

That is the stupidest thing I have ever heard. How do you monetize that. So you pay people money to watch a porn? Where does the money come from to pay them and how do you make money if you the one paying them??? And please don't tell me its your pron MLM bullshit, because that is not people paying to watch porn. It is people paying to be an affiliate to sell porn, aka get rich quick money opportunities.

The only people who get paid to WATCH porn is people who write reviews. Way back there was the paid to surf people but to my knowledge that died out years ago. Some tube sites pay people to upload stolen porn, but don't think you were going there. People get paid to make porn, don't know of anyone getting paid to watch it.

How is Chris Mallick doing btw ?

My jaw dropped when I saw this. If Tubes had to pay out for sign ups they wouldn't be able to to support the system. They might pay for hits via people like Choker. But the fact the surfer sticks to them makes paying $1 for 1,000s of hit affordable.

That market is gone and while sites still chase it the Adult Internet will continue to shrink. Chasing the market in 2010 with what worked in 2005 isn't working.

Some people will never realise Tubes changed the business 100%. In 2010 the customer is KING. And unless you deliver what he will pay for it's not going to work. And you have to protect it.

I think you're wrong about all members not wanting to visit porn shoots. In Europe on satellite TV we have a program called Euro Porn. It's documentary style on what goes on in the porn business. The Internet angle is very very small, it's mostly DVD producers. One of the serials is about people visiting porn shoots and meeting all involved. Even couples turn up. The shoots are run by Private and I'm sure something like this would work for the Internet. Maybe not on a monthly basis, maybe by getting people to act as surfers. But the interaction you promote, what can be better than real one to one interaction?

The problem is as always affording it. After promotion costs what's left?

The customer ALWAYS was king Paul. That's the problem here. Years and years of thinking the customer is an open wallet and trying to rinse him for as much as possible.

If we as in industry hadn't done hidden prechecked xsales, carb banging, dialers, hard to cancel sites, etc etc we wouldn't be where we are now.

Piracy has always existed. The problem we face now is down to our own making.

Maybe if people thought the customer was king 20 years ago things would be different.

Christina Walsh = Capri Anderson (currently under contract with Medium Pimpin) :thumbsup:thumbsup

I was interviewed in 3 episodes of Euro Porn. They where filming for 1 week back in Amsterdam around 4 yrs ago.

Here is one of the episodes
http://www.mediahoneys.cz/euro-porn-exposed-part-2/

How did you get permission from ITV to put up their copyrighted content on that site?

When they shot that interview I asked if I could use the footage and they gave me permission for it

Really? And cleared all world wide rights?

That was very nice of them. It's amazing production companies make such a fuss about rights if you can just get the broadcaster to give you the OK to put their content online for anyone to see.

Shit there's pigs flying pass my window. Damian and I agree on something. :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

We broadcasted their shootings in our house live over the web. Like I said they were for almost 1 week shooting @ our location. They sended me the dvds and papers and ofcourse not for commercial usage.