Originally Posted by Jesus H Christ (Post 17652465)

Matter of fact, the new marketing techniques in mainstream (recently) are outpacing porn IMO.

Originally Posted by quiet (Post 17656181)

i hear you. what kind of offline biz?

here's a good run down of my life: http://gofuckyourself.com/showthread...ght=silly+life

Originally Posted by corvette (Post 17656183)

i would really like to hear you expand on this just a bit

Originally Posted by Agent 488 (Post 17656198)

was porn ever the cutting edge of tech? tech geeks and tech journalists like to promote that myth because it males nerdy tech sexy, but doubt it was ever true.

right now porn is regressing because it is ghettoized. mainstream has exploded in size and innovation and porn just simply isn't allowed on the majority of sites and networks.

Originally Posted by stocktrader23 (Post 17656221)

Porn was on the cutting edge of tech even in the early 2000's. They might not have invented every tool or revenue stream that they popularized but they implemented them on a bigger scale and took shit to another level. These days, morphing some words in an RSS feed is considered to be a big deal.

Originally Posted by plsureking (Post 17656378)

ya web video was born from porn. affiliate programs were born from porn. even the member subscription model was born from porn. then youtube and web 2.0 came and mainstream got 2 laps ahead.

as far as earnings per visitor, porn beats mainstream. however, in gross sales and gross traffic, mainstream as a whole is bigger. stands to reason tho, since a good mainstream site will easily have millions of visitors a day. porn is less than 10% of the total internet economy.

i know plenty of mainstream sites who get a million+ visitors a day and are barely paying their bills. one widget company owner i talked to last year has over 100 servers to serve widgets on myspace and hi5 sites, but personally earns less than $50k a year. huge traffic but little profit.

so who is really winning the race? hard to say.

Originally Posted by stocktrader23 (Post 17656119)

You are correct. I would like to point out though that he said he disagreed then went on to agree with me in 90% of that post. I guess some people only comprehend what they want depending on who posted it. :helpme

Originally Posted by Far-L (Post 17656628)

I disagree with 50% of what you originally wrote; however, I do agree with the rest. Doesn't mean I don't find value in what I disagree with either; in fact, you make a good point and something which I am only able to counterpoint with on my own experience.

I am not trying to bash what you are saying so no need to be defensive. This is a quality thread and I am completely game for staying in that spirit.

Originally Posted by stocktrader23 (Post 17652136)

From the 90's through the early 2000's it was so easy to make large sums of money online that a much larger number of people accumulated lots of cash. Out of those people the creative ones brought us new niches, website ideas, promo tools, programs etc. The industry thrived.

Fast forward a few years and it's obvious who knew what they were doing and who didn't. Everyone that lucked out in this business without knowing or at least learning anything worthwhile crashed and burned hard. Some names will pop into your head. A lot of them invested in outside businesses that failed as well, give a stupid man money and you know the results. The handful that knew what they were doing all along and those that picked it up along the way have gotten bigger and bigger. They have either cashed out big or still run things today.

I still see a lot of creative ideas from people on GFY but they don't usually have the resources to try new things. They have great ideas but the programs hanging on to the old don't want to hear them. Because they weren't lucky enough to start when a page listed in Alta Vista brought sales the same day they have had to work harder to make a living and don't typically have $100,000 or more to get some out of the box shit up and running.

A lot of old timers like to use the line of reasoning that if you were as smart as them you'd make the same money and could do your own thing. You must be stupid! In truth, no matter what anyone says, it has gotten progressively harder to make huge sums of EASY money to give people the opportunity to invest in industry changing ideas.

I don't blame existing programs for sticking with their 10 year old business models. Most of them have enough to retire no matter what happens, it is expected that they'd be lazy about innovation. Unfortunately, this has caused the entire industry to suffer from a lack of options since hardly anyone is investing in new ideas. Those that do usually keep all of the money for themselves these days.

:2 cents:

Originally Posted by 3xTom (Post 17652301)

I like to think that My company has dipped down low and came up with some very innovative and new things for our sites...

Its really sad that not to many of the affiliates have even try to send traffic to these sites even though they are converting like it was back in the the early days.

Thats ok the ones that ARE sending traffic are raking it in with our brand new social network style sites..
( Just say'in , selfless plug LOL )

But I do see alot of new innovative ideas out here I just don't see alot of the actual affiliates embracing the ones that DO churn out something other than the cookie cutter bullshit sites... over and over again..

To me as someone that builds out the sites, programs, affiliate tools, press releases etc.
Then to release the new site we work hard to build and see that jimmy ho ho with his 30 page post of "what should i name my dog" thread gets more attention than a brand new innovative site kind of gets a little disheartening to the program owners.

Originally Posted by Loki (Post 17653379)

I'll throw my few cents into the ring as it were....

I remember years back when this alllll started, and for a long time it was in fact the online porn industry that 'drove' the tech of the web, streaming video, live chat, flash multimedia all started in porn and then worked it's way into the 'mainstream' side of the web, mainstream in a sense would 'copy' from those it deemed to be the cancer killing the web.

But somewhere down the road we as a collective community got complacent, we stop being the innovators that we once were and we instead became stagnant, and we literally lost our stranglehold on the internet.

Now we are actually for the first time that I can remember BEHIND in the 'tech & innovations game'

What i find to be somewhat disturbing (and it was sort of already touched on here) is that NO ONE want's to try new things (or at least be the "first" to try something)

Case in point, a few years ago I developed what I dubbed C.V.M's (Custom Virtual Models) where I would take a series of photos and create a 3D Toon copy of ANY model (and you'd be hard pressed to see the real diff between the live and toon counterparts!)

I shopped it around to 10 companies and ALL of them said the same thing:

(1) Who else has gotten on board so far?
(2) Get back to me once a few more people have signed on

Long story short NO ONE got on board and I shelved the project, I brought it back a few months back and went to a handful of companies / models and I offered them a FREE starter package JUST so I would not hear (who else has done it so far) when I took it public, and even for FREE no one has yet to turn in the required content needed for me to create their virtual models.

The same thing has happened with other projects I've attempted to do over the years, in the end I hate to say it but the bulk of the ppl 'running the show' are just too damn lazy these days to care....... UNTIL their profits start to dip at least.

-Loki-

Originally Posted by Dodododa (Post 17657944)

. I bet some of the best ideas in the world are sitting dormant in people's "Projects" folder. I have like 100 subfolders in mine. :-)

Originally Posted by Dodododa (Post 17657944)

Well I have an idea, but finding the technology to make it happen is a massive pain. I'm a web designer and have a beautiful layout sitting in photoshop. Bringing something new into production is a mammoth task however.

The tech gurus have the smarts, but they generally don't have the ground breaking innovation. The big ideas are had by dreamers who never stay focused long enough to learn the required skills to make the dreams happen. I bet some of the best ideas in the world are sitting dormant in people's "Projects" folder. I have like 100 subfolders in mine. :-)

Originally Posted by stocktrader23 (Post 17658491)

I can usually get the tech and not the design. :winkwink:

Originally Posted by stocktrader23 (Post 17656399)

That's what I mean though, mainstream is so unbelievably huge that nobody knows all of the different ways to earn money from it. For instance, I know multiple people doing $1 to $3 per click as affiliates and they have the pile of traffic to make that more than just a small income. I studied mainstream techniques for 2+ years solid and I would say I don't even know 5% of the ways people are taking advantage of it. Every day I talk to someone else that does big money on something I've never even considered.

Originally Posted by stocktrader23 (Post 17656399)

That's what I mean though, mainstream is so unbelievably huge that nobody knows all of the different ways to earn money from it. For instance, I know multiple people doing $1 to $3 per click as affiliates and they have the pile of traffic to make that more than just a small income. I studied mainstream techniques for 2+ years solid and I would say I don't even know 5% of the ways people are taking advantage of it. Every day I talk to someone else that does big money on something I've never even considered.

Originally Posted by jkthedesigner (Post 17661885)

..I've been researching and I've got access to a lot of private forums..there is a lot of stuff happening that you guys don't see. I know myself and a few others are developing some innovating sites and tools. None of which are released yet. Well one is in beta but good luck finding it :winkwink: So yea... we are working behind closed doors right now..The whole business plan has gotten great responses from mainstream guys (meaning 3 senior level guys at one of the top 5 largest banks and a personal friend who was the head of marketing for one of the biggest email clients)...

Originally Posted by plsureking (Post 17662719)

:warning ego alert :warning

hey keep tooting your horn like that and they'll be making bash threads about you soon enough.

joined in august 2010 and is making new sites that will blow away the industry and crush the rest of us. hush hush tho, very secret. never heard that before..

Originally Posted by jkthedesigner (Post 17662747)

Um I didn't say any of that...
Not once did I say it will blow the industry away and crush the rest of you... It won't and by no means do I want it to crush everybody else. But it is still a damn good plan and if it gets going right will be successful. You can't judge someone by their join date on a forum. Just look at some of the trolls running around here :thumbsup