Fitty.................Trafic buys :Graucho

The only guarantee in life is death. I guarantee.

one down, four to go ;)

If you purchased a franchise from Subway, you should expect a certain level of support from them to get you started. If you buy software or design, the product should deliver on its promises.

But you think its ok for traffic sellers to have no accountability for their product's quality at all?

Traffic sellers have lots of shit where they lose money so they need those few that make money and to get 100% profitabilties. There is no middle ground in traffic.

Everything must be tried. The question is who is going to get things going. That must be done by the sponsor usually within the program. You cant have some willy nilly agreement I dont think.

Just say, "I will pay for the first $50 of traffic at this program. Any sups in that first $50 I keep then if you want to keep sending traffic fine not no probs. Either way I cut you a $50 check."

Hey $1000 gets you 20 guys sending traffic and prob a few hangers on who are good affils. But I am not in the paysite biz so it's only fwiw.

Think some new outfit would do that tho. Why spend $1000 on Ads? Spend it on traffic from twenty new wms.

That would be pretty direct, eh?

That's where places like this come in handy. You learn from others experiences, and even then it's a gamble buying traffic. It's never a DONE deal, especially now.

Like others mentioned in the thread, you can get pure targeted traffic from any source... even Google, yahoo or Bing... but on the ass end it is ultimately up to you to convert it.

Example Text Link:

"Instant Access to JordanCapri.com for $34.95, Credit card required 18+"

With all due respect Steve, have you seen your designs lately? Content is no longer king as hot as she fucking is. No hate, much respect. I hate the scumbags too, but times.. they are a changing. :2 cents:

would you as a sponsor guarantee that the traffic converts?

Now the shoe is on the other foot.

If you say your program converts 1:600 (for example) and the traffic seller sends 6000 hits do you guarantee that he makes 10 sales and if he doesnt, will you then make up the difference?


I bet not ;)

Let me tell you something about "new tours". I posted this thread in 2008, to prove a point. All the "new tours" that everyone *loved* were actually the same old tours that we'd used since 2005:

http://www.gfy.com/fucking-around-and-business-discussion/804223-five-brand-lightspeedgirl-tours.html

Maybe I should pay to have them redesigned again? :1orglaugh

I think this is the real world, and it's your responsibility as a business owner to search out your own quality traffic suppliers / partners. If I start a landscaping business, should I demand from the company I buy shrubs that my company will turn a profit, or else I won't even discuss doing business with them?

Same goes for every business in the world. Try out a supplier, and if he doesn't deliver, move onto the next until you find excellent suppliers who you can build long-term relationships with.

I can't do that because I don't know the source of the traffic. The traffic seller, on the other hand, is able to review my sites and decide if they match his traffic, right?

why dont you know the source of their traffic? Cant you ask them? When they tell you, you can review their sites and decide if it matches your sites. Just as easily as they can.

It works both ways doesnt it?

It's been my experience that most of the time when buying traffic or a prepaid spot, if it doesn't deliver that person or company will usually work with you somewhat to make you happy.

It's also a two way street though, both the seller and the buyer have to communicate and be willing to make changes and adjustments on the fly to try an optimize the ad's performance

Its in a traffic broker's best interest to make the buyer happy but guaranteed ROI leaves the broker too exposed. There are too many variables the broker can't control on the buyer's end- like qualty of the product, down time, traffic leaks, not to mention the buyer could shave the stats.

Work with good people and they'll meet you in the middle. :2 cents:

Steve,

Because they were NEW.. keyword being NEW... at that time to the retards or the viewing audience.

Your "tours" offer little to no content. I understand what your ultimate goal is here... for bitches to BUY shit... but ok, site designs, tour designs aside... have you seen the amount of free porn online? Anybody with half a brain knows that you have because you are one of the largest opponents of the subject...

That said, even a re-contrast of your photos, new site design and even... I am done. I do not want to step on anybody's toes. i have the utmost respect for you... and the phrase that pisses me off the most on this board has been, "ADAPT OR DIE"...

Adap doesn't have to mean selling out. :2 cents:

You just need a lil system like Premier Bllind had that sends the crap traffic back to them via a return link. You pay $50 for good countries only. At say 1.5 cents a click.. whatever. Only during the $50 test phase.

It would be nice to test traffic with new sponsors.

Plus you get guys to put up links which is half the battle. A couple dont convert but they still send traffic and dont remove links.

Anyhow I am off this now. :) Good luck. :)

That was the purpose of this thread. I want to know who these "good people" are...

Steven how the hell are you.

I been selling traffic for 12 years. I'm like Fox News Fair and Balanced. Truth is real hard to sell adult sites traffic that will work unless you guys want to pay what cams and dating does. If you had cam network setup with all your girls you would be able to pay alot more from the traffic rather than regular adult sites..

that pretty much sums up my thoughts.


hell, the most reputable traffic seller in the world (adsense) isn't even going to offer you a "break even guarantee" . That's some fucking dreamworld shit.

ROI...What's that. Who cares. I judge my success by rebuys. They rebuy there happy. If you have traffic that can go to cams or adult dating and your sending that traffic to adult sites your costing yourself money. If others people rebuy at same price I'm probably selling it too cheap and I try and raise price. Once they complain I lower price with goal always being a long term buy. Some of my buys going on 5 + years now. And I got people lined up to jump on any grave if someone wants to give up spot. I'm the broker and I constantly battle for both sides. I'm the guy who keeps it fair to make sure no one fucks anyone. Every deal I do I put my reputation on the line and I turn down way more deals than I take. I got to do deal, get paperwork done, get invoices paid, get creatives, track all campaigns, stay in touch with all my clients on a weekly basic, do tons of comp work and good will for people and take everyone out at almost every show. I happen to take a ton of pride in what i do and I'm dam good at it and my clients fucken love me...

and I never guaranteed roi too anyone....I told them I got they back if I got a history and I know how they work..but guarantee to new buyer...not a shot

He isn't going to care if your site matches his traffic, that's up to you to figure out, he just wants you to make a purchase. 95% of the time they're selling traffic because for the most part, its of little value and difficult to convert. You're never going to get a breakeven guarantee, its the same risk your affiliates have taken over the years in buying traffic and sending it to your sites.

Good post.

yup. i made a few excellent points he ignored them on.. his logic doesnt work as well as he thinks when u throw it back at him:1orglaugh

that should be automatic.

nice post.

Exactly.

Not trying to piss on anybody's parade here, but a ROI gurantee is very unusual in most businesses.

One wouldn't call up your bank and tell them "I will only use you to buy stock on NASDAQ or NYSE if you gurantee I will make back my money or reimburse me if I lose, I need you to stand by your product."

It's business, it's all about taking a calculated risk. Trial and error, see what works and what doesn't. Come on, we all know this is how it works!

"break even" guarantee nobody does these days

True. :thumbsup

Also, I'd like to add that the only company to have a rep ever offer me a guaranteed ROI or refund upfront was iporn, and we all know how that turned out.

Why do some people sell designs? Because their design work is crap? or because they are good at design work and decided to specialize in it?

Why do some people sell managed hosting? Because if they were any good at it, they would simply runs thousands of servers for themselves? Or because they are good at managing servers and love their job?

Why do some people sell content? Because their content is crap and they couldn't sell it themselves on their own paysites? Or because they are good at shooting content and decided to specialize in that?

Why do some people sell scripts? Because their scripts suck and they can't make money running their own sites? Or because they are good at coding and decided to specialize in that?

....?

Adam Smith described specialization and devision of labour as the engine that drives progress. Shooting content, designing sites, coding scripts, managing servers,... and yes, generating traffic all require different skills, different types of creativity,... Different people doing what they do best leads to higher productivity. (Google: David Ricardo and the Law of comparative advantage / opportunity cost).

I never understood why people think that the same principles that apply to every other activity in this industry, wouldn't apply to selling traffic.

So the hardlinks you are selling are worthless as well? Why would you be selling them if you could simply buy another domain and point your links there?

It's up to the buyer to decide if he is willing to spend a certain amount of money for a certain product or service. ROI depends on the buyer and his situation. A bottle of water will be worth a lot more to a thirsty man in the dessert than to a stockbroker in NY. 50000 visitors from china will be worth a lot more to someone who wants to know how his new script will hold up under heavy load than to someone who runs a website aimed at the US market. Visitors using an iphone or android phone will be worth more to the owner of a mobile site than to the owner of a text TGP. Buying skimmed traffic from a broker and at the same time selling skimmed traffic to the same broker maybe more cost effective for a big MGP owner than to hire someone to monitor and manage his trades and find new trades.

all traffic is good traffic if you know what you are doing. :2 cents:

What they said.

people only sell thier traffic when they can't convert it, simple as that. I have always done fairly well on my sites converting the traffic sent out and guess what, i have never sold traffic to traffic holder or anyone like that in 11 years. Bought traffic is good for building trades and thats about it.

I find it amazing that you can't spend a few hundred on 3-4 of the traffic sellers with good reputations and determine which one gives you the best roi if any. If I'm looking to buy some advertising for my offline business, I can't get a breakeven guarantee from the billboard company or the tv/radio ad spot.

Steve, back in the early 2000's did you have someone else handling all the traffic for Lightspeed? Some of your questions and concerns in this thread are ones I would have expected to hear from you back in 2001.

this is kinda hard to do these days steve, years ago ya, but not now

I get 10000s daily from google, very targeted, VERY targeted

some days it does good, others nothing, it isnt the same guys everyday on the sites, hard to tell if tomorrow there will be 1 - 10 - 100 guys with their CC in hand ready to pay.

hope that makes sence, very tierd lol

Great thread

Traffic providers that provide a break even guarantee please post here.
You will get lots of biz

lol :thumbsup:1orglaugh

Buying traffic is equivalent to buying an advertisement. Due to its nature the guarantees you can get from a traffic broker are limited to the amount of hits, traffic source and visitor's region/location. These few guarantees you just read are more than what most media shops offer through traditional ad placement sources like tv, radio and print.

A reputable and experienced traffic broker in most cases can tell upfront if your service or product will turn profitability given his rates and traffic sources. I would take this as the reason behind the lack of interest.

try some traffic services, i think it is better

hope you like torrent traffic steve.

break even guarantee?

hunh??? :upsidedow:warning

Why would they do that?? You not going to get any takers.


If you don't want to take risks with traffic, that is why you have affiliates. Which is one thing that program owners take for granted with affiliates... The program owner never loses money on the deal (revshare). The affiliate takes all of the risk, can lose money on the traffic deal but the program owner always wins (revshare). A lot of programs forget this until it comes time for them to venture into the world of traffic on their own. (not pointing fingers at you steve). Just about every time I do good from a traffic deal I strike out on one and lose money.

First of all traffic sellers do just that, sell. They typically don't become affiliates or do "guarantees" which is a partnership, aka affiliate. Secondly, I doubt you are going to find any of them give a guarantee when it comes down to more of how well *you* convert their traffic. If your site doesn't do well converting they not going to take the hit for it.

I could send traffic to you and make $10 I could send traffic to someone else and make $30. It depends more on YOUR product, not the traffic broker. The sites that convert the best can afford to pay the most for traffic. There is a pretty good chance that the traffic broker could sell the traffic to someone else and make more straight up then partnering with you.

I want Steve's deal :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh Like i mentioned in my previous post, I can't tell you how many thousands of dollars I lost on traffic buys. But I have also made lots of money too. Its hit or miss. Hell sometimes I have to go through several bad deals to find one gem. It sounds like you have never purchased traffic before.


you sell a membership to a picture and video membership site. What incentive do people have to rebill? Especially since the majority of your content is on tube sites for free. You product is more of an issue here, not the traffic broker.


Steve, not to sound harsh but I am convinced you have never purchased traffic before. "extend the offer till you break even" doesn't happen. If I send you joins and you paying me 50% revshare but your members keeping cancelling and no one rebills, can I contact you and say "Hey Steve, I spent $1,000 to send you traffic and I only made back $800 and everyone cancelled, if you increased my % to 80% then I would make my $1,000 back, deal???" I'm guessing you wouldn't do that.

wrong. people sell traffic because they can typically sell it for more than *THEY* can make from it. People focus on different things. Some choose to focus just on traffic, and spend all of they time buying and selling it and not trying to work with 1000 different programs to find out which is the best to send it to, what promos work the best, etc. Most affiliates learn to do both, generate traffic and learn what converts best. Traffic brokers typically don't care or don't have skill at the conversion part.

ALSO, when program owners buy traffic their profit margin is a lot better than affiliates. For example, an affiliate buys traffic and make 50% rev share with a particular company, and can lose a few bucks on the deal where as the company owner can pay more, and still profit because of the margins. So in that case the traffic broker can make more selling it then if he was to use it himself as an affiliate. And then the fact that some programs can convert and monetize the traffic better than other programs can cause those programs to pay even more for it.

Well said Howard.

Steve you have a way of starting great threads that encourage discussion.

nope, because there is profit in pay $500 and making $500. it's a loss after expenses

A break even guarantee ... that's funny :)

I could understand a quality test, but good traffic sources are gold, and they definitely aren't going to need to chase anyone with a break even guarantee. 3/4 of the traffic buying game is finding the places that convert, the rest you put down to lessons.

I don't know what is worst, this thread or the one about the next LightSpeed superstar that was made last week.

Steve you are out of touch. I would tell you to lean on others you know for help but chances are most of the bros are out of touch too. If they are not, no one is going to take the time needed to really help you out. You going to need to pay someone to help you man. Spend some money and hire the best person you know to try to help you get your company back on track. It's obvious you care, and you want to put the time, effort and money to building it back up. Put the "12 years" and millions you made in the past behind you, put you ego in check, let some people more in touch with the environment today and that knows how to make money in today's market help you and listen to them. Don't take offense to that and feel the need to be defensive, this is the best advice someone can give you. Things change fast on here, 12 years on the net is a lifetime, you can't keep doing the same thing forever, you have to make changes.

btw, if you focus on making your site more profitable, then you can afford to pay affiliates more, and thus you will attract tons of affiliates and have all the traffic you could ever want with no risk to you. (THAT is the key to everything for you).

would the same concept apply to "consulting services"?

the local appliance store has a big sale this weekend on stoves and fridges...
they buy a full page ad in the local paper...quite a few people show up for the sale but not many buy stoves or fridges...
now, is it the papers fault for having the wrong people read the ad or the stores fault for not closing the sale?

absolutely. Are you not familiar with how consultants work??? It's not uncommon for bigger companies online and offline to use consultants. Are you saying all consultants should start/run their own company instead of consulting for other companies?