I was gonna say the same thing LOL!
This guy's gotta be kidding.

And if I sell you traffic for $1000 and you make $2000 do you send me the extra grand?

either Steve has totally fucking lost it, or he is trolling the shit out of everybody

how exactly does the traffic seller know what the true value of a customer is

are you publishing your books openly now.

rebills , upsells, cross sells, sales from former members (those annoying former member offers we all get ) etc

most of that is hidden from the traffic seller, they have no way of knowing all of that info.

if your break even is based on what you pay your affiliates, that not the true market value of the traffic.

and your just bitching because people won't sell it to you at below true market value.

why even reply him.. he doesnt realize 100 hits could make $100 on one site, and $0 on another... so he wants the traffic seller to keep sending him traffic till he breaks even. LMAO

The problem is most porn sites are not profitable buying/selling traffic to today.

Thus, it is always up to the site to sell the affil or some will have a bonus waiting for the affil if they hit the minimum. But it never swings the way you are saying. If anything it should swing the other way.

Fact is there are sponsors who pay $100 a signup once in a while. Same deal They have confidence and they want the affil.

So paying for the first $100 of traffic on certain conditions still makes sence as you get a new affil and you both see how you do on your first $100 then if you do ok the affil stays on win-win...

You'd get to see some new traffic sources. Money talks.

BTW, who is coming up with the next $100 a signup. ND? :) Would be nice.

There are a million paysites looking for traffic. The ball is in their court. They are the flower and must attract the bee.

If it does well, I would buy more, at which point you have the option to raise your price.

All I'm asking for here is a traffic seller that knows his traffic sources and wants to work out a fair long term deal. I find it amazing that no one has the balls to step up.

I'll drink to that:drinkup:drinkup

because they would just send it to their own sites. why sell it? :1orglaugh

Because it's as stupid as for example, Konrad stepping up and guaranteeing you'll make a profit it you purchase his MechBunny software. Or Zuzana guaranteeing a profit if you get her to design your site. Or Subway guaranteeing me a profit if I purchase a franchise.

It's just stupid.

Fitty.................Trafic buys :Graucho

The only guarantee in life is death. I guarantee.

one down, four to go ;)

If you purchased a franchise from Subway, you should expect a certain level of support from them to get you started. If you buy software or design, the product should deliver on its promises.

But you think its ok for traffic sellers to have no accountability for their product's quality at all?

Traffic sellers have lots of shit where they lose money so they need those few that make money and to get 100% profitabilties. There is no middle ground in traffic.

Everything must be tried. The question is who is going to get things going. That must be done by the sponsor usually within the program. You cant have some willy nilly agreement I dont think.

Just say, "I will pay for the first $50 of traffic at this program. Any sups in that first $50 I keep then if you want to keep sending traffic fine not no probs. Either way I cut you a $50 check."

Hey $1000 gets you 20 guys sending traffic and prob a few hangers on who are good affils. But I am not in the paysite biz so it's only fwiw.

Think some new outfit would do that tho. Why spend $1000 on Ads? Spend it on traffic from twenty new wms.

That would be pretty direct, eh?

That's where places like this come in handy. You learn from others experiences, and even then it's a gamble buying traffic. It's never a DONE deal, especially now.

Like others mentioned in the thread, you can get pure targeted traffic from any source... even Google, yahoo or Bing... but on the ass end it is ultimately up to you to convert it.

Example Text Link:

"Instant Access to JordanCapri.com for $34.95, Credit card required 18+"

With all due respect Steve, have you seen your designs lately? Content is no longer king as hot as she fucking is. No hate, much respect. I hate the scumbags too, but times.. they are a changing. :2 cents:

would you as a sponsor guarantee that the traffic converts?

Now the shoe is on the other foot.

If you say your program converts 1:600 (for example) and the traffic seller sends 6000 hits do you guarantee that he makes 10 sales and if he doesnt, will you then make up the difference?


I bet not ;)

Let me tell you something about "new tours". I posted this thread in 2008, to prove a point. All the "new tours" that everyone *loved* were actually the same old tours that we'd used since 2005:

http://www.gfy.com/fucking-around-and-business-discussion/804223-five-brand-lightspeedgirl-tours.html

Maybe I should pay to have them redesigned again? :1orglaugh

I think this is the real world, and it's your responsibility as a business owner to search out your own quality traffic suppliers / partners. If I start a landscaping business, should I demand from the company I buy shrubs that my company will turn a profit, or else I won't even discuss doing business with them?

Same goes for every business in the world. Try out a supplier, and if he doesn't deliver, move onto the next until you find excellent suppliers who you can build long-term relationships with.

I can't do that because I don't know the source of the traffic. The traffic seller, on the other hand, is able to review my sites and decide if they match his traffic, right?

why dont you know the source of their traffic? Cant you ask them? When they tell you, you can review their sites and decide if it matches your sites. Just as easily as they can.

It works both ways doesnt it?

It's been my experience that most of the time when buying traffic or a prepaid spot, if it doesn't deliver that person or company will usually work with you somewhat to make you happy.

It's also a two way street though, both the seller and the buyer have to communicate and be willing to make changes and adjustments on the fly to try an optimize the ad's performance

Its in a traffic broker's best interest to make the buyer happy but guaranteed ROI leaves the broker too exposed. There are too many variables the broker can't control on the buyer's end- like qualty of the product, down time, traffic leaks, not to mention the buyer could shave the stats.

Work with good people and they'll meet you in the middle. :2 cents:

Steve,

Because they were NEW.. keyword being NEW... at that time to the retards or the viewing audience.

Your "tours" offer little to no content. I understand what your ultimate goal is here... for bitches to BUY shit... but ok, site designs, tour designs aside... have you seen the amount of free porn online? Anybody with half a brain knows that you have because you are one of the largest opponents of the subject...

That said, even a re-contrast of your photos, new site design and even... I am done. I do not want to step on anybody's toes. i have the utmost respect for you... and the phrase that pisses me off the most on this board has been, "ADAPT OR DIE"...

Adap doesn't have to mean selling out. :2 cents:

You just need a lil system like Premier Bllind had that sends the crap traffic back to them via a return link. You pay $50 for good countries only. At say 1.5 cents a click.. whatever. Only during the $50 test phase.

It would be nice to test traffic with new sponsors.

Plus you get guys to put up links which is half the battle. A couple dont convert but they still send traffic and dont remove links.

Anyhow I am off this now. :) Good luck. :)

That was the purpose of this thread. I want to know who these "good people" are...

Steven how the hell are you.

I been selling traffic for 12 years. I'm like Fox News Fair and Balanced. Truth is real hard to sell adult sites traffic that will work unless you guys want to pay what cams and dating does. If you had cam network setup with all your girls you would be able to pay alot more from the traffic rather than regular adult sites..

that pretty much sums up my thoughts.


hell, the most reputable traffic seller in the world (adsense) isn't even going to offer you a "break even guarantee" . That's some fucking dreamworld shit.

ROI...What's that. Who cares. I judge my success by rebuys. They rebuy there happy. If you have traffic that can go to cams or adult dating and your sending that traffic to adult sites your costing yourself money. If others people rebuy at same price I'm probably selling it too cheap and I try and raise price. Once they complain I lower price with goal always being a long term buy. Some of my buys going on 5 + years now. And I got people lined up to jump on any grave if someone wants to give up spot. I'm the broker and I constantly battle for both sides. I'm the guy who keeps it fair to make sure no one fucks anyone. Every deal I do I put my reputation on the line and I turn down way more deals than I take. I got to do deal, get paperwork done, get invoices paid, get creatives, track all campaigns, stay in touch with all my clients on a weekly basic, do tons of comp work and good will for people and take everyone out at almost every show. I happen to take a ton of pride in what i do and I'm dam good at it and my clients fucken love me...

and I never guaranteed roi too anyone....I told them I got they back if I got a history and I know how they work..but guarantee to new buyer...not a shot

He isn't going to care if your site matches his traffic, that's up to you to figure out, he just wants you to make a purchase. 95% of the time they're selling traffic because for the most part, its of little value and difficult to convert. You're never going to get a breakeven guarantee, its the same risk your affiliates have taken over the years in buying traffic and sending it to your sites.

Good post.

yup. i made a few excellent points he ignored them on.. his logic doesnt work as well as he thinks when u throw it back at him:1orglaugh

that should be automatic.

nice post.

Exactly.

Not trying to piss on anybody's parade here, but a ROI gurantee is very unusual in most businesses.

One wouldn't call up your bank and tell them "I will only use you to buy stock on NASDAQ or NYSE if you gurantee I will make back my money or reimburse me if I lose, I need you to stand by your product."

It's business, it's all about taking a calculated risk. Trial and error, see what works and what doesn't. Come on, we all know this is how it works!

"break even" guarantee nobody does these days

True. :thumbsup

Also, I'd like to add that the only company to have a rep ever offer me a guaranteed ROI or refund upfront was iporn, and we all know how that turned out.

Why do some people sell designs? Because their design work is crap? or because they are good at design work and decided to specialize in it?

Why do some people sell managed hosting? Because if they were any good at it, they would simply runs thousands of servers for themselves? Or because they are good at managing servers and love their job?

Why do some people sell content? Because their content is crap and they couldn't sell it themselves on their own paysites? Or because they are good at shooting content and decided to specialize in that?

Why do some people sell scripts? Because their scripts suck and they can't make money running their own sites? Or because they are good at coding and decided to specialize in that?

....?

Adam Smith described specialization and devision of labour as the engine that drives progress. Shooting content, designing sites, coding scripts, managing servers,... and yes, generating traffic all require different skills, different types of creativity,... Different people doing what they do best leads to higher productivity. (Google: David Ricardo and the Law of comparative advantage / opportunity cost).

I never understood why people think that the same principles that apply to every other activity in this industry, wouldn't apply to selling traffic.

So the hardlinks you are selling are worthless as well? Why would you be selling them if you could simply buy another domain and point your links there?

It's up to the buyer to decide if he is willing to spend a certain amount of money for a certain product or service. ROI depends on the buyer and his situation. A bottle of water will be worth a lot more to a thirsty man in the dessert than to a stockbroker in NY. 50000 visitors from china will be worth a lot more to someone who wants to know how his new script will hold up under heavy load than to someone who runs a website aimed at the US market. Visitors using an iphone or android phone will be worth more to the owner of a mobile site than to the owner of a text TGP. Buying skimmed traffic from a broker and at the same time selling skimmed traffic to the same broker maybe more cost effective for a big MGP owner than to hire someone to monitor and manage his trades and find new trades.