I would buy $10,000 worth of traffic TODAY, right NOW, if someone - ANYone - could show me how I could turn that ten grand into a reasonable profit (say, 10-15%) in a reasonable time frame (say, 1 - 2 weeks). Because anything else is wasting my time, literally, with bullshit sales-talk.

I run a network of 20+ paysites. You can see them all in my links in my sig. So traffic sellers/those defending buying traffic and how much they make from it:

Show me how YOU would turn ten grand into $11,500 in 2 weeks. Go ahead. Show me WHAT kind of traffic I should buy to send to my paysites. Go ahead! My best-converting sites convert at 1:250, the worst maybe 1:3000. There, go ahead.

Your response will be this, I gaurantee it: Well-l-l-l-l-l....

So throw your bullshit around to the poor, dumb "little" affiliate here on GFY. The ONLY reason to buy traffic is to feed your tube site, get some back-links going on for SEO purposes, or to "make sales". Now maybe you can make these mythic "sales" from cams, dating or chat, or some combo of the three, I dunno. That's not my game. My game is XXX paysites, and there's a fuckload lot of us around. So if we can't make $ selling memberships with our traffic then selling it may be a good idea but BUYING said traffic? Ha-fucking-ha.

Carry on with this nonsensical ridiculousness.

I think i understood what you were saying, post was a little confusing, maybe it's me and I am not reading it right.

I think anyone who has a picture and video only membership site would be hard pressed to buy traffic and turn a profit. A traffic broker isn't going to reduce the price of his traffic because pic and vid site owners profit and convert less than say cams and dating. The traffic is going to be priced on what people are willing to pay and come back and keep paying. Just like adwords or anything else, the market will decide the prices. If the traffic broker is asking too much and no one makes money from it he will be stuck with it. I am sure traffic brokers would rather have customers that renew every month, not have hit and miss customers.

I am sure in some cases that there are pic and video sites that buy traffic and make money. I think it would be a little easier for micro niches or if you happen to find someone selling traffic that doesn't know how good of quality they have (get it at a real good price). I can't imagine any cookie cuter, general porn pic and vid sites making money off of buying traffic.

Like you said though, you have other ways you can use it. Buy cheap feeder traffic for your trades, or to build up a tube site, etc... then try to filter the traffic and convert it into sales.

I offered someone a break even guarantee of sorts once. Ended up costing me about $800. I wouldn't do it again heh.

Heh - it's either me or the Blue Dream, or a combo, that's confusing. LOL

I was just saying that, IMHO, the only way to profit from buying traffic is in cams, dating or chat, I would think. Because I've never heard or met or talked to a paysite owner who said "Oh yeah, I spent $xxx on traffic, sent it to my paysite andf voila! I made 5 sales."

I'm just saying that, if it were that easy - something most everyone thinks at first - to just throw money at traffic, like it's a mathematical formula, then any and everyone would be doing that. It ain't and they don't. So i defy a traffic broker to show me, online or offline, HOW, exactly, I'm going to do the above. Cause I could be wrong, I certainly don't know everything, or much maybe. Just based on my own experience and that of others I've talked to who have similar businesses as mine, buying traffic and sending it directly to a paysite is worthless.

God I hope that was clear. The Blue Dream is kickin' in....

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(Listening to Halloween With The Bee Gees, so that should tell you sumthin' sumthin'. Awesome....Diana Ross with Michael Jackson make an appearance....heh)

Not necessarily. With cross sales and recurring memberships a program owner can make $75-150+ per sale. Not that far of a stretch.

I don't want to speak for him, but talk to Ravo. He's legit.

http://www.buyfpctraffic.com/

Not everyone can convert traffic. Even good traffic. Actually making the sale is probably the most refined skill of all in this business. If you can convert your own traffic, it makes sense that you would retain it for yourself, but many can't. Getting the traffic is much less of a skill than actually selling to the traffic, which I think of as much more of a talent. Thus you have a large market of webmasters willing to take the guaranteed buck and just sell.

Blaming the traffic broker is the easy route out, when much of the time it is either the product that doesn't interest buyers, or the the sales pitch sucks. In porn's case it is the product. Free porn has devalued everybody's product. Why do you think porn clicks are worthless in comparison to mainstream clicks? Because nobody wants to buy your porn. Why in the fuck would a traffic broker guarantee ROI on a product that we all know is basically worth dirt to the consumer?

I was partnered on what for me was a pretty large media buy around $5000 last winter with a sponsor here on GFY. This is the offer I was extended. Two months running. The first month it was promised would come through next month, when it didn't the month after that they promised things would carry over the next month. Fuck off. Their members area traffic was way overvalued, and they never carried through anywhere near the level of traffic the promised would be delivered. I was a bit of a rookie when it came to buys and got screwed with some trickery outlined in the I/O slip. Turned into a giant fucking joke. If they had delivered the traffic promised, and lived up to their "guarantee" my partner and I would have done very well on the campaign and continued dealing with them. Instead the "guarantee" turned out to be a fat crock of shit intended to get us to sign the orders. We basically got fucked, and luckily squeaked out at a minimal loss. Take note, if you're doing a buy, make sure absolutely everything discussed is plotted out on the I/O papers and signed. Either way, that's about all the guarantee you're going to get around here... :1orglaugh

We're running a campaign with trafficshop right now, directly to our site.
So far $1835 spent over 3 days so there are more joins to come due to our style of site, these are the stats.....

Raw: 743,830
Unique: 626,927
Free Joins: 4516
Join Hits: 277
Submits: 345
Joins: 60
Earned: $2,275.10
Ratio: 1:10448

This is without cross sale revenue, rebills to come and with 20% ccbill fees already deducted.

Quality traffic is as good as it's ever been, more surfers have cards than ever....just the products need to be current.

Do you guys do a whitelabel at Rudester? Mobile whitelabel would be spectacular.

Sorry not currently.
We have good things coming tho, a new version of the site, a fully mobile version and eventually paysites as apps within the site.
We're also doing our first pps next month too :)

Put mobile whitelabel on the to do list. I need a mobile dating whitelabel right now. NEEEEEEEED ONE.

Note taken! ...
DatingGold are the people to see about whitelabels :thumbsup

Pretty sure they don't do a mobile dating whitelabel yet, they got the mobile down, no whitelabel though. If I have to settle for a regular old mobile dating sponsor soon, I will probably promote DG, but as soon as someone has a decent whitelabel up for offers they get my mobile traffic.

Thanks NetHorse. I've been monitoring this thread, but have been reluctant to comment as there is so much misinformation, bad assumptions and outright ignorance of the traffic market here.

I have been buying, NOT brokering (there's a huge difference) traffic for the past 14 years, and I'm guessing that I'm one of the bigger buyers of traffic out there; I usually buy over $5000 per day. Yes, some I resell to those that know how to make a profit off the traffic, and some I keep for my own sites and for affiliate sales. I've got a pretty good idea of what works.

I welcome any traffic or media buyer to get a hold of me, and discuss how we can help each other out. Because that's really the ultimate goal isn't it?; finding a traffic solution that works for both of us long-term.

Steve,

When talking about advertising services, the answer is that the buyer assumes the risk for 'quality'. The seller's job is to sell their inventory to the highest bidder. The market is competitive and that means your competitors are willing to assume risk. What the ROI turns out to be is not of huge import to the seller if there is another buyer waiting right behind the last one. Howard makes a good point in that it is still not in the seller's interest to screw anyone and brokers can help soften those situations, and they do happen.

You may be well suited in working with an out-of-house media buyer for a couple of reasons. First, in-house media buyers do not work unless you're a market leader. They leave as soon as they find enough profitable buys and they take their relationships with them. Second, it allows you to split some risk. Your media buyer should be responsible for laying out the cash on the spots, creative optimization and landing page optimization. You should provide the payment pages and assume the risk on the CPA terms.

A good buyer should want to work with you. They shouldn't be too uncomfortable telling you some of the bigger, obvious sources. Good buyers also have good relationships with their sellers so any circumvention usually gets laughed at. Rather than looking for sellers with the terms you outlined in this thread, lay out some terms for buyers. Cut their risk by offering high intro CPA's, guarantee them up to a certain amount, take them out, show them that you have their back. There will always be guys out there making money.

Best of luck :thumbsup

If you promote our sites, I will do the same and we can both do well.

If you're pushing mainstream traffic let me know I might be able to help you there...

What a great surprise to see you posted these stats Andrew, I hadn't even seen them yet. I expect we'll be doing some long term business. :thumbsup

We do everything in our power to make our clients $$ on our traffic, but success isnt only dependant on the traffic source, you have to take into consideration creatives, offers and many different variables.

Anyone in need of traffic hit me up and I'll work a great deal.

Yes Chris you looked after us well, we'll do lots of biz together! :thumbsup

In this example Charles buys the media on a CPC/CPM basis and sells the customers to Steve on a CPA basis. Steve pays a cost for the customers Charles acquires for him.

Charles, as part of the deal terms, would you allow Steve to write in something that stated: If these customers do not retain for X amount of months, you must send me Y more customers so that I can have a return on my acquisition costs? :error

I imagine that you would argue that you already assume risk in the deal when you bought your media on the CPC/CPM terms from your seller. To add value to the deal, you targeted placement, optimized creatives, keywords and landers. As a seller, your goal is to minimize the outstanding risk by selling customers at the highest price so you negotiate the highest CPA with your buyer.

There are still plenty of buyers taking on risk in adult and making money from it. I would say almost all of them still read GFY.

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im buying Japanese traffic. (Sorry no brokers please).

Thank you for the test Roald. Very much appriciated.

Unfortunately many go through brokers now who just play a middle man.

I buy a lot of traffic, a lot. Last month *I* (me, myself, alone) spent over a half a million on mobile prepays and sure, I've been fucked on a few in the past. First I can tell you that you won't get people to agree to a certain volume. I have one client that does that now and they aren't coming close to the agreement and I'm interested to see what happens and how they make good on it.

Secondly, whatever the price the person tells you - it's inflated, by a lot.

Third, request Google Analytics to verify traffic sources, volumes, etc. Most give this up without any issues.

Sorry Steve, you won't find anyone to make this deal unfortunately.

However, when you do take the gamble it can really work out to your favor sometimes. We aim for a $40 CPA (mobile) before xsales and I have some prepays that are doing it at $12-17. Then others who have cost me $200 CPA.

Me too, let me know who you go with. =)

not mainstream traffic. all my mobile traffic is adult.

Hell no, but then again that's why I only do this on a PPS basis. Revshare might make more in the long term but I want to mitagate my risks a little, I can't assume it will be retained for X months and keep buying traffic on a CPC basis for months before breaking even ;)

+1 ................:thumbsup

best of luck :)

Exactly, telling Google that you will only buy their CPC traffic IF they guarantee the customers will break even after 3 months doesn't exactly fly. They sold it out the door.

Better yet, try calling your rep at Google to let him know that if the customers do not retain for your buyer, you'll be expecting more customers so that your CPCs even out and everyone can get paid :action-sm

OMG Page 4. Steve gone crazy.

The landing pages of your sites have traffic leaks and slow loading images on the landing page. They look straight out of 1999 too. I doubt this helps conversions from paid traffic.

looking for the same deal. thanks.

Lots of good posts in here and from major players too.

I think it's just a matter of personal preference.

Steve's term is he will buy traffic IF such and such.

It is the the sellers' choice to sell it to him or not.

As a seller, I personally wouldn't guarantee traffic to convert at this rate and that, but if its a matter of the impressions and the clicks that's a different story.

Just my :2 cents:

i am surprised more traffic sellers don't step up to the plate for this. if you had any confidence in the quality of your traffic this would be a no brainer, especially with the quality of steve's content and tours.

so if you break even, but wait, you even make more sales...
would you pay the rest of your profit back to the traffic seller, or just keep it?

Affiliates have to roll over on their backs these days
and sponsors are in a ego trip

wtf

Thank you!
1999 was when people actualy made MONEY in porn.

1. I would send bought traffic to leak-free landing pages. I'm not an idiot.
2. "Slow-loading"? It's you bud - I've tested load times on eight differant machines all around the world; pages load less than 1.5 seconds.
3. SOME of my sites have that real "amateur" look because that's appropriate for the content.

So does THIS site look like you said?

www.erosexotica.com

That site makes 50+ sales a day. LOL I'd buy traffic for it in a heartbeat IF what I wrote before could be explained, challenged, understood. :)

But hey, thanks for the review! :disgust