"Man is an artifact designed for space travel. He is not designed to remain in his present biologic state any more than a tadpole is designed to remain a tadpole." - William S. Burroughs

How do people age on Mars? Do you age faster or slower or the same? Can you pay for your own trip back?

I don't know understand how someone with a little logic can accept the suggestion that moon travel is the only technological advancement in the history of man kind that has been abandoned.

Before the end of the next decade? Thats 2020. Does this sound like something that had already been done in the 1960's?

Seriously..

Uhh yeah, we've already been to mars in the 1960's but we can't go back until after 2020. Perfect logic.

Correct. This is likely a large part of why there is so much renewed interest in the moon by China, Russia, India and the US.

Much slower. A human can live well over 1,000 years on Mars. :upsidedow

Absolutely.

Unfortunately, Dr James Van Allen himself ultimately disagreed with your conclusion.

Perhaps when it's renamed to the SomeStupidShlepOnGFY Radiaton Belt, you'll be considered a better souce on the subject. Until then, pipe down jackass.

:thumbsup

Bring a fleshlight lol.

Expansion into space wont happen until its profitable to do so. Once the earth is bled dry of its precious elements then private corps will become interested in prospecting within the asteroid belt. Until then there will never be more than a dozen humans in space simultaneously.

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It's time to face facts.

Humans will never colonize another planet.

Man has not set foot on the Moon, and probably never will, the farthest humans have been in space is the ISS which is nothing more then a huge satellite.

To be honest I wouldn't be surprised if technological advancement comes to a screeching halt within the next 50 years due to wars / lack of resources.

This is not the future of man kind.
http://thesituationist.files.wordpre...lustration.jpg

This is.
http://blastr.com/assets_c/2009/07/D...x365-21296.jpg

When I see the human race spend money on the latest war to steal limited resources from their fellow humans or designing the newest super deadly weapons system that can blow up the earth 20 times over I ask why why why? why are humans so fucked in the head and always fighting with each other?

When I see money being spent on such advances as this is gives me a small glimmer of hope. Look ahead.

Carl Sagan would apreciate this and if I could Id signup to go tomorrow.

And what makes you so certain of that? Look at the technology that was available in 1910, and compare that with the technology available now in 2010. Then compare that with the technology available in 1810.

Back in 1910, main mode of transportation was horse buggy & carriage. Back then, a trip from the UK to US was a huge undertaking. Now, it's just an 8 hour pain in the ass.

There's absolutely no reason we can't colonize another planet within the next 100 - 200 years. Might have to have a decent sized war, before us idiots decide to begin working together to make it happen, but nonetheless, it's very much possible.

Did you not have any science at all in elementary school? Nothing you said is correct.

Humans will make it to other planets one day. I don't see this one-way mission to Mars as something that will ever get done, but I do see a return flight one day. This month's Popular Science has an article about a new plasma engine that can make the trip in a few months instead of 2 years.

The Moon may be ruled out for the moment but if enough reasons to go somewhere would pop up, I'm sure we (humans) would find a way. I can see man returning to the moon and flying to Mars in our lifetime. What I would really love to see is the discovery of life in our own solar system. Jupiters moons IO and Europa are the best bets. I'd love to see NASA send a probe to these moons that could land and drill through the ice and hopefully sample a gallon of water full of life. That would be one of the biggest scientific discoveries ever.

How does that work? Time is linear everywhere, unless there is some alternative physical properties on Mars that I don't know about.

Note, gravity does not alter space-time.

No, but it does slow down the rate of molecular breakdown. The more gravity, the faster your cells break down and stop multiplying, hence you die faster. Mars doesn't have as much gravity, so your cells will continue to multiply for much longer, hence keeping you alive longer.

Nuclear winter?

I think you should just put your space travel dreams on hold and see how WW3 plays out first. We all know it's going to happen and when it does theres a very good chance that it'll put a stop to technological advancements and bring us back a 100 years, so you may be forced to riding a horse carriage sooner then you're able to migrate to another planet.

And what makes you so certain that WWIII will happen? Every world leader knows what will happen if a nuclear war breaks out, and I don't think any of them are stupid enough to engage in it. Besides, if WWIII does happen, the war itself will be over in about 6 hours. The rest will be diplomacy. You know, "Oh look, we just killed 1.5 billion people in half a day. This isn't good, so maybe we should sit down and talk before pushing more red buttons".

Yep and all religions would go down the toilets :1orglaugh
Did we ever went to the moon ? Hummmm don't know if it's a joke but we will go back for sure and if we never went there well trust me, we'll go there one day and suck up all the juice she has to offer hehehehehehe ! We will go to Mars and do the same. Will we see this ? Will i see this ? I doubt it !

This is way more predictable then going to Mars indeed !
Sadly, i'm 99.9% sure this will happen. I just hope i'll be in another place when it happens ...

" Every world leader knows what will happen if a nuclear war breaks out, and I don't think any of them are stupid enough to engage in it."
:upsidedow:(

Do you really want some names ?
I got a few that comes to mind :pimp without thinking hard :Oh crap
Crazy fucks everywhere mate and some of them are at the top of the pyramid !

It's that crazy Sir Ricky Branson and Google.......................




http://www.google.com/virgle/



http://www.google.com/virgle/



http://www.google.com/virgle/

It will happen, only takes one mentally unstable dictator to start it and there's no shortage of them. Personally i'd much rather go from alive to cremated in half a second than be around for the aftermath.

WW3 is coming, it is a ways off though. I predict it'll be the states who start it of course. The way I see it playing out is this. With time 3rd world nations will begin to develop and catch up. Look at India for example. They are positioned to make some serious moves in the next century. These countries will begin to put in a serious fight for power over resources, which at the moment is dominated by few. At the moment the US is greedily devouring everything they can and exploiting the fuck out of the 3rd world. The key to free market and capitalistic gains is expansion. There is no longer room for expansion within America, this is why they are in these other countries to begin with. Once these countries have the power to develop for themselves, or have been completely sucked in by American interests and those competing with American corporate interests (existing competition, and new competitors), you're going to start seeing much more aggressive battles take place over resources. You can bet the states will be the first ones to start stirring the shit. It's their divine right to conquer everything, right? Eventually there will be no more room for America to continue growing unless they launch an all out attack somewhere, and you can bet they will one way or another. Then it's time to take sides.

Fuck it, maybe a one world order is what we need at this point...

I wasn't serious :1orglaugh

...though I think there are some accepted theories about gravity altering time, but I think it's the reverse of what I said and that less gravity means time is sped up and more means it's slowed down. Details: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gravita..._time_dilation

Sad post but I think true. Unless we find something on Mars that robots can't exploit and makes the trip profitable this is all we have. Getting to another solar system and getting to Mars is like comparing walking next door and going around the globe in a paddle boat.

Wars are profitable. Space travel isn't, unless it's about putting satellites up for Mobile Phone and TV transmissions. :winkwink:

Did they ever think about sending remote controlled robots to Mars to setup a base then send people later on?

gotta love it...

Sorry, but the page you're looking for doesn't actually exist. Why? Well, because...we didn't have time to build it. Because we didn't think that particular page was all that important. Because this is just an early version of the Virgle site and lots more pages will be coming down the pike as the project --

-- oh, all right. Fine. April Fool's. Ha, ha, ha. It isn't real. There. Are you happy? Does it please you to drag us out of our lovely little fantasy world, to crush all our hopes and dreams? Is that really what you need to hear? Fine, you've heard it. Virgle isn't real.

Yet.

Man, I can get away from you people? Fuck, if only my body could endure the space trip. I'd so be there... Anyone got $100,000 for some health change surgeries.. I seriously want to get way from you people. Help my dreams! <and im dead serious>

Why do that? Africa is full of blacks that are way cheaper...

probably i'm just daydreaming, but how about..

1., NASA sends equipment to the mars first
2., when the equip has arrived safely, they send the 1st group of people to the mars
3., they research, explore, do what they're supposed to do to be able to take off with a shuttle, and..
4., when done (or getting insane/bored.. hah) they assemble the equip. from step 1 and launch back home, with the given circumstances thanks to step 3

btw. the assumption about nullgravity->gravity collapse.. people can accomodate to different gravities even after a long time spent in each state. however, the most severe effect is that on earth they let go things which eventually fall on the ground. as they got pretty much used to zero gravity and its advantages of having things just floating around, astronauts even have these side-effects years after coming back home from a weeks-long trip in space, guess what a 8yrs long space trip would do.. hah :)

if i were selected for the mission, i'd kill all the other crew members a crash the thing into the moon

Let's start a war. Start a nuclear war.

At the gay bar.

The minute they find a gold mine on the planet there will be fleets of people volunteering and investors chipping in I'm sure.

As for expense, Columbus's trip out west was considered a waste of money and completely insane, but without the risk taken it may have been another 100 years before someone dared try an exploration like that. Him wanting to go out there wasn't purely for making his mark as much as he thought it would be incredibly profitable as well. So as long as they come up with an incentive like that the mission will be done sooner rather than later.

Science? great, Exploration? yeah, brave? sure.. riches beyond? Sign me up! ;)

Mars has the 38% of the Earth's gravity. I would weight 31Kgs there.
And from what i know gravity affects the aging..

Would another World War even be necessary?

There are several countries with the power to practically wipe the map. Each of these countries would never want to do so, they aren't that nuts. So the countries with the potential to attempt starting a World War are limited to those with nuclear capabilities and "nuts" at the helm... so we are talking about places like Pakistan, North Korea, Syria, Iran, maybe even Israel. Or one could even argue a rogue scientist selling the technology to another nut bag state. And that's fair enough.

So a nut bag state has nukes. How many do they have? Minimal. One, three, maybe ten at a long shot?

Nut bag state with ten nukes against any given nuke world power with hundreds, even thousands. Would China defend North Korea? Unlikely. Would Russia defend Iran? Unlikely.

Technology and the vast disproportion of world power, I think, would hasten the possibility of a WW3. Anything is always possible... I just can't picture a short term scenario where WW3 would even take place.

yes would like to know that too

Unfortunately War is cheaper and much easier due to very stupid people who prefer the lies of faith over the facts of science.

People can breathe on Mars. I saw it on TV.

http://blogs.amctv.com/scifi-scanner/red-planet-560.jpg

Anyone who goes there will be fine.

Gold is at $1,394.00 an ounce. Divide the $trillions it will cost to get there, mine it and get it back and that's the weight for a break even trip. :(

Sorry to burst your bubble. :)

And if the market crashed after you brought so much back ..........................

i just don't get it, why the discussion of such a beautiful (i think) scientific subject turns into talking about wars...

oh wait.. i just got it.

Any links on this?

trillions? wrong...

They wouldn't go for an ounce of gold, they would go for tonnes of it, and they wouldn't do it unless it was profitable, that was my point, that you missed.

It's interesting to see that many in this thread think the only reason to go to another planet is to rape it's resources in the quest for greed and profit after those same people had bashed the movie AVATAR for being an old rehashed story.

Really? So who installed the moon reflectors we are now using to measure distance between the earth and the moon ???

https://youtube.com/watch?v=aqlo_spATEM
( go directly to 6:13 )

Send the convicts serving life... call it the second chance trip ;-)

I've always been fond of the reasoning "because we can."

I don't think any Martians will mind if we mine Mars :2 cents:

Can I bring beer? or will their be a new galactic way to catch a buzz? lol