:2 cents:

Back before I could get everyone's sites via site rips or tubes, and back when tours were small and you couldn't beat off looking at them, I was a porn consumer.

Not once did I join a site for value or to be part of a community. I joined it because they had something on the tour I HAD to see more of. The price was not really an issue so long as it wasn't over $30. I would, get my fix, and probably cancel BECAUSE I've yet to find a site out there who had updates that were equal to the one photo or video I joined for. At best, I would stay to see more of the girl I joined for.

Now, I can get everything any of us sell for free and without any risk to my credit card or personal data. I can beat off just looking at tours because trailers show too much and the photos are so large and explicit.

I know I'm just one type of a consumer, but there are millions of guys like me and we will never pay for porn again, no matter what you offer. Why would we?

why do people who can't see any future in porn continue? serious question?

go sell cars or something.

No offense to you DWB ole buddy. But this thinking is flawed.

This is assuming everyone can get off to the same thing. Also that anything, and everything, 'hits da spot'. It is this thinking that inhibits many in the adult industry apparently. Not everyone can get off to some cheap, poorly encoded, generic porn. Clips4Sale has shown people this (i.e. customized, personalized, tailored fresh porn).

As previously pointed out in many threads, you have people willing to PAY $9.99+ for a SINGLE 9 minute scene. There are people who repeatedly buy under this business model on a daily basis. So if a CLIP STORE can sell a SINGLE SCENE for $9.99 and you can't sell 100 or 1000 scenes, hours of content, tons of models, for $29.95 a month, then you need to dig deeper as to why you can't sell porn any longer. As you have clearly lost touch with the consumer. Their wants, and needs.

Keep in mind, not directed at you per se. Simply works better in first person.
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Some excellent points. I have found, that by showing LESS on the tours - less pics, smaller sized thumbs, trailers UNDER 45 seconds even - that sales go UP.

There was this obsession over the past few years of "make everything BIG"! It's all about the thumbs, right? So let's make 'em HUGE!!!!!!! Yah, so dudes can whack it to the GIANT THUMBS? No thanks. DWB is right about that.

BUT.....


BF is ALSO right because clip stores DO sell high-priced clips. Hmmm....so what could be the issue here then? Sell a clip for ten bucks, can't sell a Membership for thirty...hmmmm....

Memberships mean "commitment" - I am JOINING SOMETHING - and many, many people don't want that kind of commitment. HOWEVER: it's all about presentation and fantasy. The clip store says, in essence, "This is a one-of-a-kind kinky, dirty porn clip here folks - grab it!" And people do.

Paysites? "Join us and you'll get x,y,z AND updates!!! What a VALUE!" And guess what? People Join.

So it all depends on the vibe you got going, and if you know how to maximize that vibe, turn it into a fantasy for the surfer, and then close the sale.

The point is...

1. Surfers WILL PAY A PREMIUM and still buy porn.
2. Surfers will PAY for PORN if it actually fulfills a need or want to them.

Clips stores hold an advantage. They typically are very focused niches. They take customer feedback. They turn it around in 1-2 weeks. So what do you have here?

3. Tailored porn
4. Customer interaction

Quality customer tailored content, which has nothing to do with HD. This is basically the Walmart method of sales, or business model that has been talked about at length. Pull versus PUSH. It's no wonder why Clips Stores are successful. Same as Walmart. If you have not adapted to this type of business, you simply need to go sell shoes.
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No, that was just MY mind and I was an avid porn consumer for about 15 years. However, there are millions of guys just like me.

I sold porn when it was only available via VHS and mail order photos. I sold porn when it moved to DVD and digital photos. Now I've been selling porn online for close to 13 years now. It is not as complicated as everyone makes it out to be. Some try too hard to analyze it and forget that 9 times out of 10 it's just a guy wanting to blow his load. Now, if you want to aim for that 1 out of 10 who wants an experience, go for it. I'm gonna stick with my 9, as it's never failed me.

Sure, you have some people who are willing to buy anything at any price, but the majority of them still simply want to rub one off and get back to whatever it is they were doing, and do so before the wife or GF comes home. The reason for wanting porn has not changed simply because the manner in which we deliver it to them has.

Bottom line is, build the best sites you can in a niche you enjoy, take care of your members, and try to keep piracy under control. Trying to turn it into a science is a waste of time. There is NO logic when it comes to a man with a hard cock in his hand and 2 balls ready to blow. Any of you with a penis should know this already. :2 cents:

True dat champ.
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Clips4sale has held steady for me since I started shooting Niche scenes in '07
some guys will pay a shit load for a few clips, while membership sites go down..here's a sale just got an hour ago...btw none of these clips feature nudity...just sayin' switch yo shit up and u will keep poppin'..tubes usually have the same fuckin sucking, anal,gangbang..typical LA PORN stuff...I branched out and have good success with niches/fetishes..plus this same customer sent $200 m.o. for a pair this model's panty..now that is a devoted member..Hell I've been given as much as $5k from a customer to "help-out" a model with her bills...and Thats been done several times..I have proof from members of this board to vouch for that...

Store ID: 17010
CRUEL CHLOE I WIGGLE MY ASS AND YOU JERK OFF VOL.3 -- WMV $3.99
BRAT CHLOE- MY ASS IS ALL YOU NEED TO GET BY-hi def 720p wmv $4.99
BRAT CHLOE- IT'S TIME FOR YOU TO CLEAN MY ASS PIG-hi def 720p wmv $4.99
CRUEL CHLOE- SHINY PANTY POV AS YOU CHOKE OFF A LOAD FROM COCK---avi $5.99
CRUEL CHLOE- MASTURBATOR'S DELIGHT-CUM TO MY ASS VOL.2-LARGE AVI $4.99
CRUEL CHLOE- RUB ONE OUT TO MY MY SWEET LITTLE ROUND ASS , U ARE SOOO ADDICTED TO ME-large wmv$6.99
CRUEL CHLOE- QUICK YOU ONLY HAVE A FEW MINUTES TO JERK OFF TO MY ASS BEFORE WIFEY GETS HOME VOL.7--WMV$4.99
MEAN CHLOE- EAT MY ASSHOLE OUT YOU NASTY FUCKER-- MP4,CELLPHONES, IPODS $7.99
CRUEL CHLOE- I TEASE YOU WITH A PEEK-A-BOO OF MY BUTTHOLE- hi def wmv $5.99
Totals $50.91

You just stated the secret of success of a great solo girl site. I'm rich because of that.

Let me bloviate a bit on that: Being a guy whose curious as to what my members are doing in the members area...I have an admin so I can see which videos they are watching. And you know what? 99% of the guys who join have ONE video that they jerk to over and over. Yes, they always watch the latest update too. But each day you'll see them go back to "old faithful" over and over.

And I realized that I have always been the same way too. Back in the day I had a gonzo "mix" tape videotape of just hardcore scenes. And there was this ONE scene with this girl who had fake tits...but the implants weren't big enough for the skin. So the implant itself was like a tennis ball in a tube sock. And she got the living hell fucked out of her and those big titties DESTROYED in that scene. And even though I had a couple hundred scenes on that video...I would always fast forward the VCR to her scene when it came time to blow my load.

The day the VCR ate that tape back in the mid-1990's was a sad, sad day for me.

I'm one of those guys. Once I find my fix, I can look at it over and over and over again UNTIL I my brain shifts and I want a new fantasy, but I will always come back to one that got me off hard, be it a single photo or video.

Another thing I know to be true in my case (as to why I no longer buy porn) is the collection I've built over the years. I have a folder, perfectly categorized, of every type of girl, build, race, or fantasy I've ever jacked off to. It's my personal Rolodex of amazing fantasies and perfect whores.

And thus the problem we have with stolen content and piracy. How many of my scenes got out there on torrents and tubes that were THE one for a potential customer?

6 or 7 BILLION people in the world. My stolen vids seen by millions...if only 1,000 of those people had bought a membership based on that ONE video that was THE one for them that's 30 grand a month I'm losing right there.

Very true. Besides, why NOT have a clip store in addition to whatever else one is doing? Makes sense - but people have limiting ways, I guess. :1orglaugh

At the end of the day, for me, or for anyone doing this porn thing AS A BUSINESS, it comes down to this:

#1. You dig what you're doing. It's fun for you besides being profitable, you run a site(s) you yourself would join. You feel connected to your Members because they're kinda like you; they like what you like, it's your own little perverted community of sorts, which is a big part of the fun. Hundreds (or hopefully thousands) of people who ALSO love blowjobs, feet, big tits, whatever. Awesome my friend! Come right on in....
#2. You care about $ and NOTHING ELSE. Porn is a lemon so squeeze that baby til every drop drips out and when you're done, move on to the next lemon (casinos, cigs, what-the-fuck-EVER). So you could care less about your "members". Fuck 'em, they're gonna cancel eventually anyway. I got their $ so fuck 'em.

Am I right?

I choose Option #1.

You?

Cue gideongallery's Delorian to take you into the cloud....
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paysite doesn't equal ethical. there are so many large paysites ripping off other contents. at least with tubes, they have a form to submit dmca. but what do you do with a paysite ripping a producer's entire content ?

I have asked this question a number of times.. no one ever answers :upsidedow

This causes me to lose 3-4 hours of sleep per night.

I just spit my morning coffee out my nose.




Porn has a future. There will just be less people in it.

One of the reasons for that is models don't have a clue, shooters don't have a clue and the budgets for content are not enough.

The result is people shooting the same scene over and over again, models faking it and the same guy shooting for the one site.

So the girl is on a sofa, then she's on a bed and then she's in the kitchen and then she's on another bed and then another sofa. Or it's a continual procession of girls in the back of vans. And then she goes home.

Porn isn't boring. WHAT MOST OF US SHOOT IS BORING. :Oh crap

If someone gets a good idea, they then create a site out of it and shoot the same scene 50 times and scratch their heads at why it doesn't retain. :1orglaugh

You will cry in your beer.
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Good point

so many tubesites, a humble user has hard time finding the perfect videos. paysites at least gather high quality videos, sometimes in a narrowed-to-the-bone niche. a good idea would be a paysite which delivers videos from an enormous database with an Excessively customizable search method and a simple-to-understand interface.

gosh i'm glad i work with live cams, this buzz never seems to cease :)