wow, the love kettle got to boiling point in this thread!

I know of 2 programs that use the nats db to present stats elsewhere. I even have tickets downloaded somewhere where I was helped out by Boris to do it.... do I get some candy too?

This has nothing to do with technical talk. This has to do with licensing.

NATS is licensed on a per affiliate program basis. Say, xyzcash.com. You seem to believe you somehow have the right to help someone set it up to circumvent that licensing in order to run that same copy/license on abccash.com as a different affiliate program brand. That is against our licensing and is a type of pirating a software.

I've gone back against my saying I'm not arguing with you about it here in the hopes that maybe one last explanation will finally get the point through to you, but that's the last time.

Exactly!...

Do you see someplace in this thread where someone said circumvent the nats lic in order to run a copy of anything on a different place? No... That isn't what is being discussed.

But you are saying if it's on one domain, it's still not allowed.

YappoDollars had three different logins, all on yappodollars.com. One for WM, one for studios and one for moviecards. All showed different colors, templates, linking codes, stats, etc.

With what you are saying, this isn't allowed.

You really don't get it, and your desire to turn everything into a piss fest has permanently burned a bridge as a result. I'm sure you'll go on about how you don't care, but we'll see how that plays out over time.

And that was worked out with you guys on an individual basis at that time. It's also different from what the point of this thread is.

I think you need to talk to your husband and get him to walk away from the computer and cool off a bit. His ego is doing nothing but damage to him at this point.

look, when he's wrong and made to look stupid he even sputters as he types. :1orglaugh

John, you've burned more bridges than a person could count, with a history that goes along with it. So honestly, let the bridge burn, burn it to the ground - it makes no difference.

I'm not looking for a fight, I'm looking to protect my clients.

Just remember, I never came to you for clients but you've come to me before to save your ass and keep the client from jumping ship. As a mater of fact, what have you ever done for me?

I should make you pay me for saving your ass all these years. That's ego btw.

Overall your posts are weak and stupid... either shut the fuck up or try harder, seriously before your lameness rubs off on the entire forum. :1orglaugh

I was going to toss you a knife to cut off your nose in this thread but you're already using an ax.
proving that your scary genius carries over to your business dealings as well. :1orglaugh

Thats true, the 1 advocate nats had was thedoc, ive noticed, and he would defend nats above all else.

Maybe they will appreciate you more over at mpa3.

The bottom line here is this:

When you are going to use data is not allowed because you need to purchased new lic. And it cost money monthly.

When you create something in your lic or your product with their codes it needs to purchased new lic per domain or whatsoever.

And the result is just this. He want more money so everything is MONEY. It's not being pirate your product it's just like this, logging in in different domain is not illegal its useful because it will spread out that your product can done like this and everyone will purchased your product as well.

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Oh more stupid from you, as expected.. Anyway, I best stop before all the affiliates / companies you do business with actually show up to defend you. :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

Thanks for noticing...

True, and I'm pretty sure Oystein wouldn't call me a thief either.

why would your betters come to my defense?

again, you imagine you're more than you are. :1orglaugh

I just love how "affiliate" can refer to the person running the program or the webmaster as well. lol

no one called you a thief.

guilty conscience most likely.:warning

Man, you post stupid shit... My betters wouldn't come to your defense, that was the point - you're a nobody, hellllloo...

You imagined the post I made to come up with a stupid comment like that....


Yawn... :321GFY

Bump...... yep!

I did have to rearead that post a couple of times to understand it and in the end I thought it was just a typo, but since you brought it back up, maybe it was more a Freudian slip? :1orglaugh

This has been an enlightening thread...

prior to this thread, I knew
1. that TheDoc knows NATS as well as the coders that programmed it, without (I assume) knowing the source.
2. TMM_John will defend his product on the boards (rightly so) to the last second, even though a 2 hour breather before replying would be a good lesson learned.

What I learned:
1. Doc has been building up much pressure lately in his little cooker that has finally decided the potatoes are cooked
2. Doc and Kristen be making sweet love
3. John has been taking anger management courses

To be discovered.
1. What transpired between Doc and John to turn up the heat on the potatoes?
2. Do I have to worry for a potential Mini-Doc coming through the pipes to steal my clients?


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oh, and stuff about using your own data in a database you own not being allowed to be used elsewhere - can't quite understand that one, so tag that onto "to be discovered"

It was a interesting thread for sure.... and your comments made me smile.

1. I do greatly understand nats and can make it do whatever. But I do not know the code as well as the coders do.

1. I thought I was calm until I was called a Pirate. I can get pretty excited in person too, just the way I am - so it's a bit hard to for me to see it come through sometimes.

2. And two kids later.

1. The tipping point was him saying the setup Kristin explained wasn't allowed. Which basically means many clients and many others I've just did minor work for, are in violation of a rule they've never heard of.

2. If you code, they're all yours. If you have any cool code/software that helps affiliate programs, I would be interested in selling it for you.


Data: I took it as, if you pull/query nats data to a remote source and setup a sub domain/domain for stats or any reason (ie: not a duplicate of software, just data), it isn't allowed. My view point is, it's my data and unless I'm screwing with nats itself - I can pull it out and do whatever is needed with it. The data is owned by the program owner, explicitly. If for example a lic was pulled, tmm can not legally get that data but the program owner can. Thus they can do whatever they wish with that data as long as it doesn't change/modify/screw with nats directly.

Hope that helps.

Enlightening thread to say the least.

IMO Nats is definitely pushing the bounds of "piracy" with that accusation.

I will be watching closely.

programmer drama in here.

So we sell our software on a per affiliate program basis, but you feel you should be able to buy one copy and run 10 affiliate programs with it? (That's not meant to imply you feel that way, it's meant to ask.)

This made me lol

I missed this in the mess of replies to this thread, but I noticed it now while rereading the thread.

What you are doing/describing is not what the original poster is talking about. You're talking about providing a different view of stats for a different type of user under the same brand/umbrella. He is talking about running a completely different brand/affiliate program off of a single NATS install. These are totally different things. What you are doing is fine.

My answer to your original post was a bit short & generic as I wasn't trying to get into a long discussion about it (that worked out well, didn't it!). The specific details you mentioned don't necessarily make it within the proper bounds, but don't necessarily exclude it either.

just read the whole thread, thedoc came off like a kid....smoke a bowl and relax dude.

Not one person in this thread has been talking about a completely different brand/affiliate program off of a single NATS install

this whole thread is a massive miscommunication.

I disagree with that. We get tickets from people from time to time who want to setup a "white label" for their chatters and that is exactly what it is.

It's been stated in this thread that it's what the OP is looking to do as well as that he wants to hide the original affiliate program from the chatters. If you want to hide the original program, the new one clearly needs to be a different brand/affiliate program or the original isn't very well hidden.

This is exactly what this thread is about.

edit: (you edited your post) I think there was some miscommunication on Doc's part. He injected himself into a thread that had nothing to do with him or the work he does, accused me of somehow trying to steal his business among other things, attacked me personally, and in general came off exactly as you described him. The original poster has the intent described above. If it's not what he's looking to do he needs to clarify as PompusJohn described what he is looking to do pretty well and he thanked him for clarifying it (including hiding the affiliate program name a.k.a. another brand/program).

I read the thread over again, I was backed way down from what I could have been. From the feedback I've gotten already, I wasn't wrong or off base .... at all.

This wasn't a miscommunication...

Hopefully both sides will clear this things up.

Think of it like this.... someone creates an xml/rss feed that has statistics in it, a private feed. The feed is given to a person, they import it into a reader. The reader isn't nats, nats software, and isn't being marketed, promoted, or branded as the software/program, it's just a website (google reader) or software displaying information.....nobody is trying to steal from your Business.


I posted in this thread offering advice before you posted, on a subject I've directly dealt with before. So no, I didn't inject myself and it does have something to do with me directly.

I never accused you of stealing 'my' business, I accused you of changing the rules on the fly so you could corner the market for YOUR business. I'm not the only nats guy.

too bad this thread had to end, it was rather entertaining...

so can we get some cliff notes? Did doc go crawling back to John or did doc really burn that bridge ????

Great, another lame ass looking for attention...

Game on! :mad:








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Typical stain.... you bitch and cry about others that push the rules but you'll brake them by bumping old posts while trying stir up shit on a subject you have no clue about... it's funny and... it makes you a pathetic loser. :1orglaugh

But it does show you can program... looking to freelance once in awhile?

edit... shit

Before we continue, let me say; I’m not a coder – I’m a scripter, difference basically is… I can modify, add what I need, correct or remove just about anything from a set of PHP scripts but I couldn’t create most major Projects from scratch, not without help.

This does give me some huge advantages though, besides my time not always going to coding. I’ve help create many various Projects within our Industry allowing me hands on experience and knowledge on how they’re built, operate, function and I can communicate that to Coders as well.

yeah because bumping threads that are only a couple months old asking for an update is the same as making up false accusations about top advertisers here and saying they scammed 1000's of affiliates. jesus christ you are one dumb fucker. :2 cents: