definition of an even bigger asshole: shutting down the free speech that those guys died to protect

way to go, champ.

Maxi, we did what we did so you say what you wish and think like you do. No regrets.

Great comment, good to hear there are still few humble people on here.

Canadians played a real big part in world war 2 and paid the price on beaches of Dieppe.

Sorry I didn't join a system that I knew would try to use me to fight their unjust and unneeded wars. I can't help that I was not born with a low IQ.

It's called low class, you want to bring it up, do it on another day

You have no debate skills at all do you? BIGGER is the best you can do? You have the whole internet and BIGGER is the best you can do? You're not even worth a reply, LMAO

This why they have the ASVAB test, keeps Bozo's like you out

Thank you to all veterans for your service and sacrifice for our country.

I really wish I had a copy of my ASVAB scores, I was recruited harder than Lebron James.

Anyone that has a problem with veterans really has a problem with their own self -- and they can also suck my asshole.

To take a line from "Black Hawk Down"

"It's all about the man next to you, That's all it is"

That hits the nail on the head for me..

I saw a lot of American veterans when I was in Santa Monica, I put a dollar in each of their cups.

God bless the Vets!

You're damn right I respect them. Only an idiot doesnt respect their enemy. Respect is seperate from love or hate, you do understand that, right? I think maybe you dont.

Minicivan, - LOL -, Zyber, Maxi, Stocktrader23 = A band of idiots.

Of course I do, but I always thought of respect as a sort of admiration. Here is how it is defined on Wikipedia:

Respect denotes both a positive feeling of esteem for a person or other entity (such as a nation or a religion), and also specific actions and conduct representative of that esteem. ...
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Respect

You have a positive feeling of esteem for the ones that flew into the World Trade Centers? Not me! Any time someone purposefully hurts or kills a civilian then they've lost my respect.

I avoided reading and posting in this thread until Veterans (Remembrance) Day had passed.

My birth Father was a Korean war vet, and my recently deceased Step-Father (whom I consider my Dad) served in WW11 as a Marine (USMC).

I am a 6-year Vietnam-era (non-combat) Navy Vet, and my younger brother served in both the Army and the Marines, including during the first Gulf War. If you look at the young men, and more recently, at the young women, in my extended family, it is the same.

We are the most peace loving people you could meet, but our sense of duty made us sign up nonetheless. We did so not expecting anyone's gratitude, but simply because we believed in the ideals of this country, regardless of how various our politicians have acted over the years.

So true...even though I mostly served during peacetime, I was always aware, that my status could change at any moment.

I harken back to JFK's famous "Ask not what your country can do for you" speech...

Whoever said "War is hell", could not have spoken truer words. I feel for all of the soldiers for every side, who gave their lives in the service of their at times misguided leaders.

I hear you. One of the most profound books which I ever read, and was at one time censored and outlawed in the U.S., is the Dalton Trumbo novel "Johnny Got His Gun", which I recommend to each and every one of you. I used to give it away as a Xmas present every year. :)

Brett (Vendzilla) and I are as far apart as two people could probably be on most issues of politics, and perhaps I only speak for myself, but I have the utmost respect for him, since we have shared experiences, and I think in the end that we are both sincere and genuine people that believe passionately in our ideals, but can look past our differing world views, and peacefully co-exist, and that is what gives me faith in the future...

Peace,

ADG

It is always easy to simply group people together. :2 cents:

If you look at my reply you will see that I am against fighting illegal wars, and against preventing the leaders from being held accountable for their crimes.

E.g. none of the highest ranking persons who ordered the systematic use of torture on civilians, who lied to their national Parliament/Congress, built Guantanamo-bases around the globe, have faced justice.

Examples? To date George W. Bush, Tony Blair, Anders Fogh Rasmussen etc are all free men. They all lied to their respective nations, well-knowing WMDs did not exist. Try making a civilian's arrest on them, and quickly you will be stopped by their armed goons. Those, sorry to say, fools think they protect their flag and country by shielding the criminals who give them their monthly paycheck.

Some wars deserved respect. For example the liberation of Europe in 1945.
But going to Iraq to steal their oil has no justification.
First we were all told that there was a connection with 9/11 and Al Qaeda. There was no connection.
Then they changed the reason that Iraq was a direct threat to the security of the West, because they should have the infamous Weapons of Mass Destruction. These WMDs did not exist.
But what does exist, is the connection with Bush, Cheney and the oil industry.

Please take the time to read the Downing Street Memo and you will find out that Bush wanted the war on Iraq no matter what - he would invent the excuse later.
Source: http://downingstreetmemo.com/

Those wars were purely for profit, and nothing but crimes against humanity.

It is estimated that between 100.000 and 1.000.000 civilians have been killed due to the invasion from our countries. Why the systematic use of torture on soldiers and civilians? All our countries have signed Human Rights agreements not to use such techniques. Geneva Convention?

Honour is to defend your country. To defend your Constitution. To defend your (valid) Laws and Rights. Honour is to protect your country's name from being abused by corrupt politicians. Honour is to catch these crooks and let them face justice. Not to protect them, and point your guns at those people, who point out that your boss is actually the criminal.

So who is the band of idiots?

Being young, naive and easily manipulated is excusable, but demanding respect for having made those mistakes in the past is crossing the line a bit?

Differing politics don't define the man
I have equal respect for you too ADG

I never joined but I served. Desert storm, Desert shield and a few other things.

Overall, being a veteran means being a veteran...

While I greatly appreciate your service and everyone elses, what I don't appreciate are statements like these:

"And for those that didn't have the balls to join and see the world and do something bigger"

-- A little humility and humbleness goes a long way. Did you never learn that? There are many ways to serve this country, see the world and do something bigger.

"give them anything but respect and you lower your standing as a human being"

-- In America we have the right to disagree. I respect you as a person and for what you've done, but not your statements. You sound like you are speaking for all vets and that you are better than everyone else. That's what I got from that at least.

Again, I appreciate the service of all vets, but anyone who supports America, pays taxes and makes this country a better place one way or another is worthy of respect.

I'm sure this'll be misinterpreted 10 different ways so flame on.

I have respect for that really. It doesn't matter if you served in the military or a firefighter or police officer. In the military you serve your county; As firefighter or a police officer you served the greater good of the general public - and saw a lot more action than I did during my four years of being a US Marine. I have a huge respect for firefighers and police officers.

I just commented in this thread about someone who was a firefighter and how I have a huge amount of respect for that.

So your saying I am the bottom of the barrel because I joined the Marines? You fucking prick. I was an honor roll student all through high school back in the day when that meant something. I went into the military because I was pretty much done with being a student, spent four years in the Marines, then seven years managing a fast food restaurant while climbing up the corporate ladder in the telecommunications industry at the same time, THEN went to college and graduated Valedictorian with two degrees, one in computer tech and one in electrical engineering.

I served four years. I don't consider myself a Vet. Your average fire fighter sees ten time more action in four years than I did in the Marines. I got a lot more out of my four years in the Marines than I put in, and came out a better person.

peace have a price, freedom an even higher cost.
many countries still on this earth to this day has neither and their people suffer as a consequence.
many of us take these privileges for granted as we were born into these free societies.
but you need not go back many generations when the freedom of our societies were challenged.
the men and women of that time faced the music, they man'ed up, many paid the price with their lives, or that of their child or sibling.
in the end it was required and these people knew that, those people are the veterans who we should all be forever indebted to.

those statments were made to those that would bash a veteran on veterans day
And I stand by my statment, definition of an asshole, putting down veterans on veterans day

I don't agree with what you said...but I certainly support your freedom of speech.

Have a nice day,
~Ray
USN vet

Just remember;


http://members.shaw.ca/cyberdogs/pics/veteransday1.jpg


It is the VETERAN, not the preacher,
who has given us freedom of religion.

It is the VETERAN, not the reporter,
who has given us freedom of the press.

It is the VETERAN, not the poet,
who has given us freedom of speech.

It is the VETERAN, not the campus organizer,
who has given us freedom to assemble.

It is the VETERAN, not the lawyer,
who has given us the right to a fair trial.

It is the VETERAN, not the politician,
Who has given us the right to vote.


It is the VETERAN,
who salutes the Flag and fellow service personnel with the utmost respect and reverance,

http://members.shaw.ca/cyberdogs/pics/veteransday2.jpg


It is the VETERAN,
who serves under the Flag,


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Enjoying your freedom? No matter what country you're in, chances are you owe that freedom entirely to the VETERANS who at one time or another fought and in many cases died to preserve it.

I myself never served, never had to in fact, but I do have several vets in my family and family history. I'm damned thankful for what they did, and for what they sacrificed.

In my mind every day is a day to never forget them, but it's nice that we have one day a year when the rest of us can drop our attitudes and our loudmouthed opinions and just step up and thank a Vet. God bless 'em all I say.

I hope everyone had a good Veteran's day. I know I did.

I always take flowers to graves of veterans that don't have anyone. Do it in the evening of veterans day.
They built a VA cemetery near by recently, but I still go to the same cemetery where my step dad is buried