Oh I think Oswald was "involved" in some way, but probably as a scapegoat/distraction from "the real gunmen". Okay, oswald shoots but there's a second gunman, around the infamous Grassy Knoll, who's there to make fucking SURE that bastard Kenedy was hit, and hit good.

But the idea was to pin it on the pasty, LHO. With his history - defecting, living in Russia, his work on behalf of Castro - he was the perfect patsy. Naive Americans - and one must remember how spoon-fed, naive and "innocent" most Americans were back in 1963, pre-assasination/pre-Beatles - would eat it up. A simple explanation always eases the simple mind.

The only reason 100% of Americans didn't believe the whole affair was because of the Zapruder film. No film = yup, Oswald did it, let's move on. The Gov't's cockamamie explanation didn't wash once people actually SAW JFK's brains being blown out.

Good points. So I take it you feel he was prob in the window?

Approx 50% of voters believe he was not in the window.

What do you make of the fact that 50% do not think he even fired a shot?

Anyhow it is all a diversion from what I need to do and just got done doing...

HOUSEWORK. God it never ends. Dusting, vaacuum.. Vacuum dusting. I wish I had a 6' by 12 ' room like our buddy Lee had. That is all you need. :1orglaugh

Actually I think there is a conspiracy against me! :1orglaugh

All 19 voters got together and..

Nah, but obviously they have seen something we "Oswald is Guilty" guys didnt. Like maybe the bullet holes thing at Rotten.com .. I will prob skip that but what does that prove either? Maybe someone took the body and shot it post corpeous or whatever.

The only proof is the wirey, squirrel coming out in the arms of Cops from the Texas Theatre on classic film.

PS. I burnt the rump roast too over all this. :) But Ill simmer it and make fajitas. :) You have a 3 min window to cook that boot leather. :)

And that is EVERYTHING you ever wanted to know about Lee Harvey Oswald!

You are wrong old, outdated lone gunman breath.

You mean there is more? :)

Oswald and Oswald alone - people want a better story, a sexy conspiracy - the same people believe Martians were running around Roswell and that 9/11 was an inside job.

anybody here seen my old friend John

Agreed Mutt, but 50%? I think a lot of younger folks got some history from my timeline I posted which was a big reason for posting it. Not to be be condescending. I didnt know that at 25 and it is interesting the first time. We old foges all know the story but I bet a few are learning today. Which is good. :)

But yeah, 50% of voters think LHO did not fire at the Pres. Did they vote from knowledge or is it knee-jerk cause it's hip. So far I dont see anyone justifying their vote to "aquit" Oswald. Now that doesnt mean he didnt kill Tippit and not fire at Kennedy I suppose (yeah right) but it is really surprising.

Unless there is a body double who posed for all the pics, old Lee was the guy popping shots in the window.

Guilty or Replacement

something for my (and your) head after all this investigative reporting



Are YOU still with me :)

Bless you with big signups. Sometimes you need to let her ride and have a popsicle in this biz. Hence my posting binge.

When sups are up you enter the tavern and let her ride. :) When sups are down you do the same thing. In the middle you work :winkwink:

full explanation:

Just hanging out with Lee Harvey tonight..

Wouldnt Lee Harvey be a cool friend. Seems like an interesting enuf chap. You would pretend you agree with Lennonism and that Cuba is cool and you hang with LH. Ya know.

He prob doesnt drink, dont smoke, maybe coffee, but you talk about what he is going to do on his next trip down to Mexico or Cuba.
It's all about him I'm sure. :1orglaugh

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and his Theatre friend..

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M. N. "Nick" McDonald on Nov. 22, 1963

Actually Lee is a great name. I knew a great guy named Lee. Lees are like Bills and Bobs. Good honest American name. Just stay out of politics.

We would listen to music.. Oct 1963..



and



and talk about that f'n Capitalism..

we would trip out to



after consuming something he smuggled in from Minsk

then listen to

and watch this on Shindig



(two years off but whose noticing :) )



and those were the times with my neighbor Lee Oswald

Dial it down my freeballer friend...

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Never go full retard:



ADG

Well, in closing, thanks to all who voted. Every guy (and girl) votes how they believe and the results were very interesting. Maybe I need to go dig in to YT a bit more.

Nah, I had enuf and he will always be guilty to me. :)

lol Just touching Nirvana once in a while (to make sure everyone lets me go there) :)

Good stuff ADG

You know I need my music :) and what better way to play the 4 Seasons for 21 yos around here. :)

If they listen. I cant just come out and say, "hey lets listen to some 4 Seasons guys" lol

So I act the fool for the cause. At the end of the day I am an entertainer. :)

I wud just messin' wit you...keep rocking your conspiracy theories. :thumbsup



Afterall:



ADG

Thanks man, ya needs to be a bit flipped out when dealing with LHO all day. :)

Hard thinking of good songs in 1963. Beach Boys anyone? lol No I promise I wont go to that level. I keep it good. Only first class vids for my peeps. :)

Well actually Beach Boys aint bad lets see.. :)

I got it!



wont ya wont ya wont ya be my gurl



oh where oh where can my baby be



lol this music is gayer than a 3 dollar bill but I love it. And so do you. :)

In all seriousness Frankie Vali's pretty good tho. For 1963.

Actually this is what everyone listened to back then.. well at least they talked about it

Well Elvis almost left the building at Suspicious Minds :)

But glad I stayed as ADG stopped by and that was good.





for my 94 y/o mom who likes Elvis (true)







It was more than real and you were more than kind. Goodnight everyone.

Elvis Has Left The Building

I hear that...I probably have read over 10,000 pages about the Kennedy assassination. There has been so much deliberate misinformation spread, and wild conspiracy theories (some possibly part of organized, institutionalized, disinformation campaigns), that I moved on to other more contemporary issues, not that the JFK saga still is not fascinating and tragic in it's scope and magnitude.

Now, for the after midnight crowd (well, here anyway), some time tripping, mind tripping songs (feel free to jump back in the political stuff and ignore me):



The Seeds were a 60's Bay Area Band. Here is the legendary pin-up Bettie Page dancing to The Seeds:



Lou Christie had a hit around that time too, with "Lightning Strikes" (before my time, but I still have a fascination with the music of that era):



It's raining here tonight - so a few more songs about Lightning:



Live performing "Lightning Crashes":



:stoned

ADG

psst Great post.

Lou Christie, oh man.

you know I'm still around. :) But I have to stop doing this, lol, But like I say posting is good luck. It is. If I dont post my signups tank. :upsidedow

BTW, I want to ask any and all sigwhores who live here. How do I do this all day, everyday.

i dont want to work



i just want to bang on the drum all day (seriously)

oh you have to be 22 and live at home :) ok

I'm f'd then. :)

ADG do you (or anyone) know the song that goes with these lyrics. It has driven me nuts for a while now: "Jesus loves Maryanne" late 60's or early 70's tune.

"Jesus loves Maryanne"

If you can think of it I will be amazed. Great obscure tune I need to hear. And yes I have searched Jesus loves Maryanne.
Zip. It could be Jesus loves Carryanne or such. But Jesus loves is part of the lyric.

I must hear "Jesus loves Maryanne"

It was out with "stuck in the middle with you" "one toke over the line" "sweet mary" "green eyed lady"and them kind of songs around 1970-71. Could be like a Hollies tune. That style.

best rain song :)



Ray Manzerak and his keyboards

Hot stuff with Bettie Page hubba hubba

Pushin too hard is an EXCELLENT obscure song. Great find.

Lou Christie can flat out sing just like Jay and the Americans

This guy can sing Jim



this is so fucking good



:)

if you really want to get serious I'll bring out the high octane :)



you guys want to go to one of my early 70's bubble gum parties?



this was my fav as a kid in middle school :)



I had a girl over in 6th grade, we sat on the couch and listened to this (true) she grew up hot too, but I had my chance in 6th grade :)



I can spin early 70's songs. :) That is what I love most.

Here ya go, I found it, it was Jimmy Loves Mary-Anne :)

Go back with me! Oh Yeah!

Jimmy loves Mary-Anne, Jimmy wants to be her man



Dance Sabby dance :)

This. :2 cents:

Ruby did it, then got jealous because he didnt get the fame anf shot oswald.

You are correct. Kennedy was shot in the right forehead and the bullet logically exited the right rear. Frame 337.
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The red blob/bloodmist is fake because it appears before the shot and after the bullet connects and you can see the mist disappear leaving the fake flap.
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The government supports conspiracy in late 70's
 

The HSCA said there were 4 shots and gave two scenarios based on the dpd radio analysis. One of their scenarios had a shot coming after the fatal shot which is what the evidence suggests.

1st shot = Z157 - Z161 TSBD
2nd shot = Z188 - Z191 TSBD
3rd shot = Z295 - Z296 Grassy Knoll
4th shot = Z312 TSBD.

The HSCA went with the above scenario in the late 70's.

1st shot = Z173 - Z177 TSBD
2nd shot = Z205 -Z208 TSBD
3rd shot = Z312 Grassy Knoll
4th shot = Z328 - Z329 TSBD

Independent researcher gets closer to truth
 

In 2001, researcher D. B. Thomas studied the dictabelt recording and also determined that a shot fired from the grassy knoll killed the President. His study indicated a total of five shots with a 96.3% probability as follows:

? = Z147 No match
1st Shot = Z175 TSBD (hit a curb)
2nd Shot = Z204 "Rogue Shot"
3rd Shot = Z224 TSBD (hit JFK and Connally)
4th Shot = Z312 Grassy Knoll (Fatal wound)
5th Shot = Z326 TSBD.

Zfilm fakery proven beyond any doubt
 

When this retard is sniped by police there is no visible blood because when those moments are caputured there is NO blood seen that soon after, apparently.
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The zapruder film was made into a cartoon of Kennedy receiving the frontal shot. This capture shows the red mist before the bullet reaches his head proving beyond doubt that it was added during alteration to hide the front right entrance.
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Frame 313-The bullet connects with his forehead.
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Right rear missing
 

Secret Service Agent Clint Hill was in a unique position to report on the location of the large defect. SSA Hill got a close-up look at the wound as he was riding on the back of limousine on the way to Parkland Hospital. In addition, Agent Hill was present in the trauma room where Parkland doctors were trying to save JFK's life. Then, hours later in Washington, D.C., Agent Hill was called to the morgue at Bethesda Hospital for the express purpose of viewing the President's wounds. And where did Agent Hill say the large defect was located? He said it was in the right rear part of the head. Newsman Roy Stamps saw Kennedy's body in the limousine at Parkland Hospital shortly before it was taken inside. He said,I rushed up and saw Kennedy lying in the car on his side. His foot was hanging over the side of the car. The back of his head was gone.

Nurse Doris Nelson was the Emergency Room supervisor at the time of the shooting. She assisted in treating the President, and helped prepare his body for placement in the coffin. When asked about one of the autopsy photos which show the back of the head intact, she replied,
It's not true. . . . There wasn't even hair back there. It was blown away. All that area was blown out.General Godfrey McHugh, one of Kennedy's top aides and was in attendance at the autopsy. He got a very good look at the President's head wounds. McHugh unmistakably placed the large defect in the back of the head. When asked by to define what he meant by "back of the head," McHugh replied,
The portion that is in the back of the head, when you're lying down in the bathtub, you hit the back of the head.
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Oh I think Oswald was "in the window", for sure, but my own kooky personal theory is this:

Oswald was IN the window, gun in hand, and took a shot or two. DID NOT hit JFK, or perhaps one shot grazes him (Oswald was a terrible shot, remember). But from Oswald's vantage point, there in the book depository window, he SEES JFK's brains get blown out! Oswald realizes, in that instant, that there's another shooter. Conspiracy. A back-up. Plan B. There to "make sure" the bastard gets it. Then: "I'm being setup to take the blame for this, oh SHIT!"

This explains, to me, more than anything, Oswald's nervousness and crazy behaviour after the shooting. You see: psychopaths, anti-social nuts, mentally-deranged freaks - they all tend to act calm after they've chopped fifty heads off, ya know? A man who thinks he's about to take the fall - the COMPLETE blame for this - is a paranoid fuck, twitchy, nervous....Oswald.

Of course, all this happened before I was born so maybe I did it - in my past life. Heh.

Entrance wound over right eye
 

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Dr. David Mantik, a radiation oncologist and physicist, is another doctor who has had the opportunity to study the original autopsy x-rays at the National Archives, and who has likewise concluded they show that two bullets struck the President in the skull, one from the front. Dr. Mantik notes that there is a "notch" in the right frontal bone, over the lateral orbit. "Such missing bone," says Dr. Mantik, "fits very well with a frontal entry at exactly this site." In addition, Dr. Mantik, in agreement with other experts, has observed that the two trails of fragments seen in the x-rays prove that two missiles must have struck the skull.

In anatomy, the orbital bone is the cavity or socket of the skull in which the eye and its appendages are situated.
The "orbit" can refer to the bony socket,[1] or it can also be used to also imply the contents.[2]
In the adult human, the volume of the orbit is 30 ml, of which the eye occupies 6.5 ml
The orbits are conical or four-sided pyramidal cavities, which open into the midline of the face and point back into the head. Each consists of a base, an apex and four walls. They are intended to protect the eye from mechanical injury.[4]
The base, which opens in the face, has four borders. The following bones take part in their formation:

Superior margin: frontal bone
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SS agent provides correct wound path
 

What Greer was told about the wound path and the entrance wound over the right eye is consistent with Dr. Mantik's interpretation of the x-ray showing fragments behind the right eye.

Mr. Specter.
Did you just mention, Mr. Greer, a hole in the President's head in addition to the large area of the skull which was shot away?
Mr. Greer.
No. I had just seen that, you know, the head was damaged in all this part of it but I believe looking at the X-rays, I looked at the X-rays when they were taken in the autopsy room, and the person who does that type work showed us the trace of it because there would be little specks of lead where the bullet had come from here and it came to the--they showed where it didn't come on through. It came to a sinus cavity or something they said, over the eye.
Mr. Specter.
Indicating the right eye. (GREER POINTED OVER HIS RIGHT EYE)
Mr. Greer.
I may be wrong.
Mr. Specter.
You don't know which eye?
Mr. Greer.
I don't know which eye, I may be wrong. But they showed us the trace of it coming through but there were very little small specks on the X-rays that these professionals knew what course that the bullet had taken, the lead.
Mr. Specter.
Would you describe in very general terms what injury you observed as to the President's head during the course of the autopsy?
Mr. Greer.
I would--to the best of my recollection it was in this part of the head right here.
Mr. Specter.
Upper right?
Mr. Greer.
Upper right side.
Mr. Specter.
Upper right side, going toward the rear. And what was the condition of the skull at that point?
Mr. Greer.
The skull was completely--this part was completely gone.
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http://www.assassinationscience.com/HorneReview.pdf
So why does Horne conclude that H&B illicitly removed (and altered) the brain

shortly after 6:35 PM,
before any X-rays were taken, and before the official autopsy
began? He here introduces two intriguing witnesses?the two R?s, namely Reed and
Robinson. Edward Reed was assistant to Jerrol Custer (the radiology tech), while Tom
Robinson was a mortician. Rather consistently with one another, but quite independently,
both describe critical steps taken by H&B that no one else reports. (Horne documents
why no one else reported these events?almost everyone else had been evicted from the
morgue before this clandestine interlude.) After the body was placed on the morgue table
(and before X-rays were taken), [b]Reed briefly sat in the gallery.18 Reed states19 that
Humes first used a scalpel across the top of the forehead to pull the scalp back. Then he

used a saw
to cut the forehead bone, after which he (and Custer, too) were asked to leave the morgue.[b] (Reed was not aware that this intervention by Humes was unofficial.) This
activity by Humes is highly significant because multiple witnesses saw the intact entry

hole high in the right forehead at the hairline. On the other hand, the autopsy photographs

show only a thin incision at this site, an incision that no Parkland witness ever saw. The
implication is obvious: this specific autopsy photograph was taken
after Humes altered

the forehead?thereby likely obliterating the entry hole.

Reed?s report suggests that Humes deliberately obliterated the right forehead
entry; in fact, the autopsy photograph does not show this entry site. Paradoxically,
however, Robinson (the mortician) recalls
20 seeing, during restoration, a wound about ¼

inch across at this very location. He even recalls having to place wax at this site. So the
question is obvious: If Humes had obliterated the wound (as seems the case based on the
extant autopsy photograph), how then could Robinson still see the wound during
restoration? This question cannot be answered with certainty, but two options arise: (1)
perhaps the wound was indeed obliterated (or mostly obliterated) and Robinson merely
suffered some memory merge?i.e., even though he added wax to the incision (the one
still visible in the extant photograph), he was actually recalling the way it looked before
Humes got to it, or (2) the photograph itself has been altered?to disguise the wound that
was visible in an
original photograph. The latter option was seemingly endorsed by Joe
O?Donnell, the USIA photographer,21 who said that Knudsen actually showed him such a
photograph.
Regarding Robinson, Horne concludes that he arrived with the hearse that brought
the body (i.e., the first entry). After that, Robinson simply observed events from the
morgue gallery; contrary to Reed?s experience, he was not asked to leave. Just before 7
PM, Robinson22 saw H&B remove large portions of the rear and top of the skull with a
saw, in order to access the brain. (Robinson was not aware that this activity was off the
record.) He also observed ten or more bullet fragments extracted from the brain.
Although these do not appear in the official record, Dennis David recalls23 preparing a
receipt for at least four fragments.24

Contrary to Reed and Robinson, Humes
25 declared that a saw was not important:

We had to do virtually no work with a saw to remove these portions of the skull,
they came apart in our hands very easily, and we attempted to further examine
the brain?.
Although James Jenkins (an autopsy technician) does not explicitly describe the
use of a saw, he does recall that damage to the brain (as seen inside the skull) was
less

than the corresponding size of the cranial defect; this indirectly implies prior removal of
some of the skull.26
JOE O'DONNELL
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