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What others, and myself, are saying translated into some sound bytes ...
"Safety usually involves a trade-off in freedom." "Only way to be 100% safe is to be 100% dead." To believe the TSA and other government actions are non-political is naive, and that's putting it mildly. It's all political; controlling the masses while benefiting the power-elite... The real threat, from the perspective of the power-elite, of airliners being hijacked isn't the passengers, but rather the plane itself being used as a weapon... There's currently no cost effective way to protect buildings and those within from a jumbo jet fully loaded with fuel flying at upwards of 500 MPH. That's what the power-elite truly fear and will do most anything to stop, people's civil rights be damned. What's the answer? ... 1. People need to realize there's always going to be a tradeoff when living in a "free" society. (Though it increasingly appears many in the U.S. would prefer to have their actions dictated by the government - want to take a flight, raise your hands, expose one's self to a stranger, and likely get groped too.) 2. Proactive use of technology can help, such as hardened, locked cockpit doors (a simple security measure that's been highly effective), using less flammable fuel (crazy? nope, it's been researched and, from my understanding, is used in some military applications), and remote overrides / hard-coded flight boundaries (ie. attempting to fly a plane towards an important government building would be restricted automatically by software; this is being developed and likely will be deployed in the near future). Ron |
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How about "proactive" measures to keep them off the plane, not just out of the cockpit ?? |
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From the perspective of the power-elite, if a hijacked plane blows up before reaching an important target, even if the passengers and some unimportant people on the ground die, that's just collateral damage. Heck, the U.S. military already has a procedure for shooting down hijacked jetliners - it's not about protecting the passengers, it's all about protecting valuable targets (ie. Sep-11-2001 attack, most all the damage and most of the deaths were on the ground) from being hit by the aircraft. In short, for many terrorists, controlling the aircraft is a critical part of their terror plot - the locked cockpit door presents a serious barrier, and presumably, discourages many from even trying; provides pilots extra time to take counter-measures. Ron |
TSA fails to find shit all the time. They have a huge ass failure rate even when testing themselves.
The air marshalls make 4 arrests per year, costs only $800,000,000. This big brother talk is stupid. Yes, the government likes to do shit to keep citizens in line. That's irrelevant. We are no safer today than we were yesterday. If you are such a pussy about dying quit going to sleep, better chance you die there than on a plane. I like the rights I have. I already know where this road leads and it's not worth it. PS, enjoy your cancer. |
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I am soooooooo fucking glad I don't have to deal with the crap over here. I go right to the airport, minimal security, everyone is pleasant, and we fly ON TIME to where ever I'm heading. Totally hassle free.
It is only a matter of time before events, bus travel, train travel and little Joe's soccer game will have you walking through x-ray machines and dealing with security. Wait until some ass blows up a train or a shopping mall, it's all over. |
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i mean the vaporization of our constitutional rights, not your ass. |
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"It is only a matter of time before events, bus travel, train travel and little Joe's soccer game will have you walking through x-ray machines and dealing with security. Wait until some ass blows up a train or a shopping mall, it's all over." |
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Just read what one of the leading security experts, Bruce Schneier, has been saying and writing about airport 'security' for years now. It's nothing more than security theater. |
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yeah, looking forward to that one :(
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i can only recommend to read this:
http://www.askthepilot.com/essays-an...y-on-security/ written by someone who has a clue... quote: Quote:
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Just wait til some one brings down a plane by putting a bomb up their ass.
Then you will be looking back on the pat down as the "Good Ol Days" |
YOU DONT SEE WHAT THE BIG DEAL IS WITH SCANNERS? Do you really want just anybody looking at your little boy's weewee thru one of those? Or checking out your teen daughter's tampax stuffed in her crotch? Give me a break!
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only perverts see a simple pat down as something sexual. some people's minds have become warped for too much exposure to porn it seems.
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It's one thing making every passenger after you till the end of the world have to take their shoe off but causing the introduction of a mandatory cavity search would be quite an achievement :Oh crap |
As long as the government can continue to instill fear in it's dumb ass people, the "terrorists" will always win.
America will be like China, or dare I say North Korea, before long... with all the complete morons that make up that country now, it's inevitable... Keep allowing the government to strip you of you liberties and freedom.. before long you all might actually realize just how stupid you have been because you believed everything they say on tv... Hint: "Al Qaeda" is nothing more than a work of fiction meant to do one thing, instill fear. And because the bulk of Americans are complete idiots... it's working like a fucking charm. Edit: You have a higher chance of surviving a heart attack on a plane only to have it crash and kill you anyway than you do to actually be on a plane hijacked by "terrorists". It's all about control, and you imbeciles fall right for it. |
i cant pass true them, my steal balls are biping :P
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With all that said, the scanners, when operating correctly by a highly trained operator, are likely safe. However, what if the scanner malfunctions and/or is operated by an operator who isn't fully aware of the limitations / safety issues of the machine. In short, in regards to safety, much of the concern with the scanners is the radiation exposure in the event of a malfunction / operator error. Read up on the Therac-25 saga ... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Therac-25 The key points of the Therac-25 saga are that malfunctions can and do happen, especially in machines predominantly controlled by software, and operator training is an important variable - TSA agents aren't trained medical professionals ... in the view of many, that alone is worrisome in regards to the scanners. Ron |
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Security isn't just about the planes being hijacked, its about them being blown up as well. If that was the case why would they even scan the checked in luggage? Both things are important (passenger safety and the planes being used as a weapon) no matter how much you nutty conspiracy, anti govt types think. There was a lot of non power elite, every day workers who died that day. the "power elite" :upsidedow christ... the old expression there is "one in every group" seems to be magnified x10 on GFY. |
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Seems like you dumb fucks would rather die from an attack then god fucking forbid walk though a scanner or be touched to try to ensure your own saftey. " No, we can't have increased safety measures it might cause more of our constitution rights to be taken away!!! No way, how dare the govt try to touch me or make me walk through a body scanner, they have no right!!! fuck them and big brother!!! " and then the plane goes booom and your dead! but hey big brother didn't get to push you around you showed them tough guy! So what the terrorist killed at lot of americans, at least the govt didn't infringe on those dead american's rights. So besides bitching (like all of you are) about the current situation of security measures, why don't you tell us how you would like it to be. No security ? just a metal detector and take your chances flying??? Hope that you or someone you know is not on the plane the next time this happens? So how many of you voted for Obama and how does it make you feel that Obama is allowing this? Do you think, for one second that even though you don't like it that it could be for your own good or *gasp* the great good?? No that can't be it, the new security measures were put in place to take away your constitution rights and protect the power elite.... yeah that's it..... lmao Quote:
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Over 90% of the deaths were those on the ground. Of the 2977 killed, excluding the terrorists, 246 were passengers. Those numbers reiterates the bigger threat of aircraft is to facilities and people on the ground. Ron |
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if you want to get exposed to radiation go ahead....
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So I dont think you are really qualified to comment on this, or berate the rest of us who actually fly a little more frequently:2 cents: But I know , you just cant help yourself and try your best to be right, showing off your debating skills, so ramble on ...........:1orglaugh |
will76 would take a 13" cock in his mouth if some government agent told him "it's good for you".
lol, what a tool. |
I would undress at the airport.
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If this was the 70's or 80's and we were in the middle of a spate of hijackings, then yes, I would consent to the scanners and patdowns. But we aren't. There was the shoe guy who was unsuccessful, the printer guys, which was caught by a regular scanner, and... what else? 9/11 doesn't count because that was pretty much ten years ago. Not only that, but They (whoever They are) proved their point with it. There are no more Trade Towers to take down and you certainly won't be able to get that close to the Pentagon again. So what are the scanners for exactly?
I would even say the scanners are a form of racial profiling, since Muslims and some other religions are so sticky about not allowing women to be seen undressed by ANY men other than relatives or husbands. Obviously people with that value set would have to opt for the pat-down by a same-sex agent, which could lead to more questions and a more 'hands on' treatment. Just a thought. |
My brother flys 4x a week for work. He is a sales manager hasnt been felt up or scanned once. My mom flew to see her sistwr this week no scan,no feel up. Of course the media makes it look like everyone when its two percent.
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http://i.imgur.com/xHyrt.png I'm especially glad they checkout out this possible terrorist below. |
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That's like saying when you show someone your passport picture they are thinking of sticking a cock in your mouth... |
Good think this old bastard had his urostomy bag busted, typically bombs are found in there. |
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