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stocktrader23 11-25-2010 12:58 PM

Oh, and the power tripping assholes tried to force this woman to send her breast milk through the X RAY MACHINE which is against guidelines. Made her miss her flight, harassed her, etc.


Dcat 11-25-2010 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by will76 (Post 17727770)
Ah, so the govt is behind the shoe and underwear bombers, those must have been CIA ops, that did that so the govt could cause more fear allowing them to increase security at airports because the govt wanted to flex it's controll muscle over us. Riiiiiight. I get the "fear" shit as an excuse to attack Iraq because we wanted to secure oil, or take Sadam out, or whatever, but try to blow up our own planes so we can increase airport security???

Damn dude, you need to get up to speed. It's has long been uncovered that the "shoe bomber" and "underwear bomber" plots were indeed CIA ops. The underwear bomber plot unraveled so fast it was almost comical to watch how it played out in the media.

THE TRUTH ABOUT FLIGHT 253 HAS BEEN REVEALED- By Kurt Haskell

Ethersync 11-25-2010 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Amputate Your Head (Post 17726267)
fuck the TSA.

i won't fly until they get rid of the scanners and the rape sessions.

:2 cents:

Tasty1 11-25-2010 02:10 PM

More people will die from cancer by radiotion than by a blown up plane.
And the rterrorist shove it up their ashole so scanners won't detect it.
In 5 years there will be a full MRI scan to try to find explosives.

This is how to smuggle drugs, they eat it wrapped in plastic.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi.../Bolletjes.jpg

People think they will be saver, but it wont be saver.

Scott McD 11-25-2010 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by stocktrader23 (Post 17728113)

Disgusting!

That actually has put me off flying.... :disgust

baddog 11-25-2010 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by stocktrader23 (Post 17728113)
Oh, and the power tripping assholes tried to force this woman to send her breast milk through the X RAY MACHINE which is against guidelines. Made her miss her flight, harassed her, etc.


Your lip reading skills are nothing short of amazing.

u-Bob 11-25-2010 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by stocktrader23 (Post 17728113)
Oh, and the power tripping assholes tried to force this woman to send her breast milk through the X RAY MACHINE which is against guidelines. Made her miss her flight, harassed her, etc.


I've said it before: they're scum, plain and simple.
Incompetent minimum wage drones abusing innocent citizens and doing nothing whatsoever to keep us safe.

stocktrader23 11-25-2010 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by baddog (Post 17728312)
Your lip reading skills are nothing short of amazing.

The woman posted the video herself as seen here.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=Pc_66...eature=related

If she's lying I'll default back to the other 50 instances of bullshit to form my opinion.

will76 11-25-2010 07:18 PM

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Originally Posted by tony286 (Post 17728087)
My brother flys 4x a week for work. He is a sales manager hasnt been felt up or scanned once. My mom flew to see her sistwr this week no scan,no feel up. Of course the media makes it look like everyone when its two percent.

great, so they aren't even using the shit.... wonderful. I feel so safe now :Oh crap

I know the odds are slim that something would happen to the flight I am on. but it does and can happen, and it would suck to happen to me or someone i know. I'd opt for playing it as safe as possible. Especially the scanners. big deal you walk through it and don't take off your clothes, you don't touch anything. Who cares. Wait another 50 years when you can buy glasses that allow you to see what the scanners see. I bet 95% of the people here bitching about the TSA workers seeing the screen of the scanners would go buy a pair of glasses.

So some $10 an hour worker, gets to look at 10000s of images like this a day. Oh noes.... god forbid someone gets to see a distorted x-ray type image. Its not like its a full color HD nude image of you as if the person was buck naked for a porn photo shoot.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_Xn_O-mM2sF...ner-images.jpg

Like I said i'd opt to walk through that and let someone see the above of me, but more importantly to see the above of everyone else on the plane so I can rest asure that there is no shit on it that isn't suppose to be there. Not to mention the deterrent this causes... that is if they actually start using it 100%.

stocktrader23 11-25-2010 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by will76 (Post 17728685)
great, so they aren't even using the shit.... wonderful. I feel so safe now :Oh crap

I know the odds are slim that something would happen to the flight I am on. but it does and can happen, and it would suck to happen to me or someone i know. I'd opt for playing it as safe as possible. Especially the scanners. big deal you walk through it and don't take off your clothes, you don't touch anything. Who cares. Wait another 50 years when you can buy glasses that allow you to see what the scanners see. I bet 95% of the people here bitching about the TSA workers seeing the screen of the scanners would go buy a pair of glasses.

So some $10 an hour worker, gets to look at 10000s of images like this a day. Oh noes.... god forbid someone gets to see a distorted x-ray type image. Its not like its a full color HD nude image of you as if the person was buck naked for a porn photo shoot.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_Xn_O-mM2sF...ner-images.jpg

Like I said i'd opt to walk through that and let someone see the above of me, but more importantly to see the above of everyone else on the plane so I can rest asure that there is no shit on it that isn't suppose to be there. Not to mention the deterrent this causes... that is if they actually start using it 100%.

Will, it is security theater and nothing more. You aren't any safer with the scanners or even TSA for that matter.


will76 11-25-2010 07:37 PM

Here is a question for those of you who love Obama. How do you digest this? You know Obama ok'ed this.... Do you think Obama is trying to be "big brother" and he is trying to take your rights away? Or do you think Obama is doing this to protect the "power elite" lol. Or do you think Obama is doing this because he has a lot more information than all of us here put together and he decided it was the best course of action to protect us?

What do you think ?

Can't wait to see how you hard core dumb ass left wingers separate out Obama from this, because your precious Obama couldn't do such bad things to people's rights...

Funny how Bush didn't implement these changes but Obama did. Man, if this happened while Bush was in office you people would be screaming at Bush. it happens under Obama and you people don't mention one bad thing about him.... how does it feel to not only be stupid but hypocrites ?

stocktrader23 11-25-2010 07:39 PM

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Originally Posted by will76 (Post 17728700)
Here is a question for those of you who love Obama. How do you digest this? You know Obama ok'ed this.... Do you think Obama is trying to be "big brother" and he is trying to take your rights away? Or do you think Obama is doing this to protect the "power elite" lol. Or do you think Obama is doing this because he has a lot more information than all of us here put together and he decided it was the best course of action to protect us?

What do you think ?

Can't wait to see how you hard core dumb ass left wingers separate out Obama from this, because your precious Obama couldn't do such bad things to people's rights...

Funny how Bush didn't implement these changes but Obama did. Man, if this happened while Bush was in office you people would be screaming at Bush. it happens under Obama and you people don't mention one bad thing about him.... how does it feel to not only be stupid but hypocrites ?

A lot of stupid assumptions in this post. I would vote for Obama again but think his stance on this issue is fucking retarded.

Is that hard to comprehend?

baddog 11-25-2010 08:19 PM

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Originally Posted by stocktrader23 (Post 17728688)


You realize that has zip to do with the scanners, right?

stocktrader23 11-25-2010 08:40 PM

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Originally Posted by baddog (Post 17728753)
You realize that has zip to do with the scanners, right?

Yes, the comment was referencing the overall failure that is the TSA.

Dcat 11-25-2010 08:43 PM

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Originally Posted by will76 (Post 17728700)
Here is a question for those of you who love Obama. How do you digest this? You know Obama ok'ed this.... Do you think Obama is trying to be "big brother" and he is trying to take your rights away? Or do you think Obama is doing this to protect the "power elite" lol. Or do you think Obama is doing this because he has a lot more information than all of us here put together and he decided it was the best course of action to protect us?

What do you think ?

Can't wait to see how you hard core dumb ass left wingers separate out Obama from this, because your precious Obama couldn't do such bad things to people's rights...

Funny how Bush didn't implement these changes but Obama did. Man, if this happened while Bush was in office you people would be screaming at Bush. it happens under Obama and you people don't mention one bad thing about him.... how does it feel to not only be stupid but hypocrites ?

Obama has continued on right where Bush left off. Both have been mercilessly hacking away at our freedoms. The thing is, these police state policies come from much higher up, so neither can be fully blamed. The elites keep us focused and fighting about "who did what" so we never think to look past their media generated smoke screens, and political puppets, to discover the true underlying power structure. Never to see WHO is REALLY screwing us over.

And yes, it seems even card carrying lefties are scratching their heads with Obama. They've been had.

will76 11-26-2010 12:47 AM

this thread feels like:


http://www.tgdaily.com/sites/default...oft/1vs100.jpg


1 vs 100 left wing liberal anti govt, don't touch my junk or look me on a scanner, the govt is trying to get us all, democrat nut jobs. it's a conspiracy the man is trying to keep us down!! :thumbsup

you guys are making obama cry.

stocktrader23 11-26-2010 12:50 AM

It's amazing what irrational fear can do to people.

It's also amazing that anyone in the porn business would talk shit about liberals.

bhutocracy 11-26-2010 01:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Ron Bennett (Post 17727597)
Perhaps, but that's not conclusively shown, and much of the technical details of the scanners have not been publicly revealed. The dosage numbers the TSA and others are touting are whole body exposure. More specifically, what is the effect of much of the radiation exposure being concentrated into one's skin - that's still unknown.

With all that said, the scanners, when operating correctly by a highly trained operator, are likely safe. However, what if the scanner malfunctions and/or is operated by an operator who isn't fully aware of the limitations / safety issues of the machine.

In short, in regards to safety, much of the concern with the scanners is the radiation exposure in the event of a malfunction / operator error.

Read up on the Therac-25 saga ... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Therac-25

The key points of the Therac-25 saga are that malfunctions can and do happen, especially in machines predominantly controlled by software, and operator training is an important variable - TSA agents aren't trained medical professionals ... in the view of many, that alone is worrisome in regards to the scanners.

Ron



Ok, Lets ignore the fact it's COMPLETELY different technology and we're in an alternative universe where it's the same thing and we pretend we haven't improved safety standards on cars, planes, medical devices etc in 30 years.. Let's pretend what happened happens again and someone got 100 times the dose of radiation from the scan they were supposed to.

That's horrible right? HORRIBLE! OMG kill the gubmint!.. It's going to be a national scandal when the error is found out.. Newspapers will run headlines of "Don't fry my junk", lawlsuits will be proposed, right wing talk radio is going to go nuts... The guy that got the 100x dose keeps on walking and then gets in an aluminium tube, climbs out of our protective atmosphere and EXPOSES HIMSELF TO COSMIC RADIATION EQUAL TO OR GREATER THAN THAT DOSE VOLUNTARILY.

You're worried about a freak accident, the scandal of which will reverberate through the decades when stepping onto the plane is giving you the EXACT SAME LEVELS of radiation of this freak accident. It's like someone complaining about a beer and how unhealthy it is and then drinking ONE HUNDRED beers because they've fruit juice labels on them.

Anyways, if you're afraid of the equivalent radiation to an hour of just walking around in a park just being alive there is an easy solution, get rid of the backscatter ones and keep the millimetre wave ones. Of course no one will understand the difference and still complain about the 'radation.

I'm in no way agreeing that these measures are a good thing, I just can't believe the people complaining about the supposed radiation BEFORE doing pretty much the most irradiating thing you can do outside of a full body x-ray - get on a plane (oh, and during a solar flare when up to 100 times more cosmic radiation is hitting us....forgeddaboudit).

I'd rather walk through a mm wave scanner than have to take my frigging shoes off.

mountequinox 11-26-2010 02:11 AM

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Originally Posted by will76 (Post 17728700)
Here is a question for those of you who love Obama. How do you digest this? You know Obama ok'ed this.... Do you think Obama is trying to be "big brother" and he is trying to take your rights away? Or do you think Obama is doing this to protect the "power elite" lol. Or do you think Obama is doing this because he has a lot more information than all of us here put together and he decided it was the best course of action to protect us?

My personal belief is "Obama is doing this because he has a lot more information than all of us".

Based on your statements I'm guessing you think that isn't the reason and his only reason is to be big brother, take our rights away and/or protect the power elite?

If you are correct then the only rights I can see that I have given up due to the new TSA requirements are that if I wish to fly I may be scanned or felt up.

Not saying I'm totally comfortable with any of it but if that helps assure the flight will be safer and I won't be a passenger on a plane as those during 9/11 I'm more than happy to give up those rights. If not I have the option to drive, take a train or boat.

As for big brother? Not much I can say.. What information is he collecting? A blurry body scan? Most doctors have better detailed records of their patients that I'm sure the government already has access to.

Criticism is good! But provide information as to what you think should be done instead of just criticizing. If you have no alternative suggestions for your hypothesis then is there really any point in complaining?

stocktrader23 11-26-2010 03:01 AM

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Originally Posted by mountequinox (Post 17729079)
My personal belief is "Obama is doing this because he has a lot more information than all of us".

Based on your statements I'm guessing you think that isn't the reason and his only reason is to be big brother, take our rights away and/or protect the power elite?

If you are correct then the only rights I can see that I have given up due to the new TSA requirements are that if I wish to fly I may be scanned or felt up.

Not saying I'm totally comfortable with any of it but if that helps assure the flight will be safer and I won't be a passenger on a plane as those during 9/11 I'm more than happy to give up those rights. If not I have the option to drive, take a train or boat.

As for big brother? Not much I can say.. What information is he collecting? A blurry body scan? Most doctors have better detailed records of their patients that I'm sure the government already has access to.

Criticism is good! But provide information as to what you think should be done instead of just criticizing. If you have no alternative suggestions for your hypothesis then is there really any point in complaining?

It's probably more to do with the fact that should anything else happen at all related to terrorists / planes Obama will be blamed. At least he can say he did something if he lets it go through, can you imagine the right wing nuts screaming if someone blew up a plane and he was against scanners? It wouldn't matter at ALL whether or not the scanner would have stopped it.

stocktrader23 11-26-2010 03:06 AM

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Originally Posted by stocktrader23 (Post 17729123)
It's probably more to do with the fact that should anything else happen at all related to terrorists / planes Obama will be blamed. At least he can say he did something if he lets it go through, can you imagine the right wing nuts screaming if someone blew up a plane and he was against scanners? It wouldn't matter at ALL whether or not the scanner would have stopped it.

Look at the responses of the fearful in this thread and think about it folks. :2 cents:

Zyber 11-26-2010 03:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Dcat (Post 17726371)
That's great right? ..I'm so glad the main stream media is telling the sheep that no one is protesting naked body scanners, and rape sessions.

Now, Homeland Security can move onto step two keeping you EVEN more "safe" by installing body scanners on all public transportation, trains, boats, in schools, and conduct behavioral interrogation before allowing you to enter sporting events, rock concerts, and shopping malls.


Wow, those interrogation units are sick.

I couldn't imagine them in Europe, except in movies describing old Nazi-Germany.

ottopottomouse 11-26-2010 03:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Scott McD (Post 17728109)
It's not like they will be sitting jerking off while doing the scans.

That's like saying when you show someone your passport picture they are thinking of sticking a cock in your mouth...

They are...

Zyber 11-26-2010 03:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Redrob (Post 17726518)
Since I'm not going to walk, ride a horse, take a train, or drive for days and days to get somewhere, I'm glad to know that the airplane is as safe as they can make it and I'm more than willing to let them pat my junk to keep us all safe. You never know who is going to have dangerous junk.

Neither the scanners nor the pat downs will stop the determined terrorist. All they need to do is put up the explosives in their ass, or pussy, and it will not be found.

Or they hide it under their skin, by undergoing illegal surgery. Terrorists and drug smugglers have already done this with innocent looking puppies.

Those security checkpoints don't stop terror - only violate upon people's freedoms. :2 cents:

Zyber 11-26-2010 04:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Ron Bennett (Post 17726777)
Please re-read my previous post about what the real threat of hijacked planes is ... it's NOT about protecting the passengers on board, but rather all about protecting important facilities / the power-elite on the ground from being targeted by such an attack...

From the perspective of the power-elite, if a hijacked plane blows up before reaching an important target, even if the passengers and some unimportant people on the ground die, that's just collateral damage. Heck, the U.S. military already has a procedure for shooting down hijacked jetliners - it's not about protecting the passengers, it's all about protecting valuable targets (ie. Sep-11-2001 attack, most all the damage and most of the deaths were on the ground) from being hit by the aircraft.

In short, for many terrorists, controlling the aircraft is a critical part of their terror plot - the locked cockpit door presents a serious barrier, and presumably, discourages many from even trying; provides pilots extra time to take counter-measures.

Ron

Good post :thumbsup


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