I love how in this discussion "paranoid delusions" are so often equated by those who are deeply disturbed, to "critical thinking".

FEMA's official report said the jet fuel burned off within minutes.

This possibility...... however remote....... is the sole reason I continue to pay my US income taxes. :thumbsup




I nominate you for the "imbecile" group. :1orglaugh

And as demonstrated, it only takes a few minutes for the steel to weaken and bend etc.

http://wtc.nist.gov/pubs/factsheets/faqs_8_2006.htm

Usually when people do not understand what they see, they tend to build explanations around them that they understand. Since I would expect most of us are not physicists or specialists in the field of metallurgy I doubt anyone here UNDERSTANDS what happened.

So they cling to the easiest explanation which usually is the conspiracy theories since those usually easily solve everything. Nothing needs to be explained if you just can say "the evil government did it with the evil secret weapons we all do not know about".

That's correct...

However, the burning jet fuel ignited much of the contents on numerous floors. The building contents is what fueled the fire, and over time the heat weakened the steel.

Steel need not melt to be substantially weakened, as in lose upwards of 50% of its normal strength, and excessively deflect (bend) under what would otherwise be normal loads. To make matters worse, many of the truss connections themselves were damaged in addition to being weakened from the prolonged heat of the building contents burning.

Many people have the misconception that the WTC 1&2 towers were built of super-special materials / over-engineered construction. The reality is that the steel used was nothing overly special, and the construction was highly economized with minimal use of concrete ... ie. the critical core structure, as a cost saving measure, was only encased in drywall!

Ron

Well, there's a perfectly plausible explanation for that too. Once the terrorists were in heaven, Allah scolded them and said, "You didn't finish the job in PA! I'm only giving you two virgins each, or otherwise, you can go back to earth and finish the job!". They all decided on the latter.

See? It makes perfect sense! Now quit trying to stir up shit, and quit disrespecting those who died on 9/11! I tell ya, fucken kids and their conspiracy theories... why can't they just learn to be more normal, and obedient?

I will weigh in even though this is a big yawn fest...

911 CONSPIRACY


THEORISTS



ARE FUCKING



INSANE

Aren't you supposed to be chanting, "USA! USA! USA!", then finish it up by singing the national anthem?

Really though, even highly skilled & trained Russian KGB or Mossad agents wouldn't be capable of pulling off an attack like 9/11. Do you really believe a bunch of box cutter armed asshats from Afghanistan managed to do it?

anyone that knows my threads knows I'm no cheerleader - and your wildly incorrect "Afghanistan" remark shows that you have very little curiosity and no actual knowledge of what went down on 911.

Most Americans.

http://www.tooconservative.com/wp-co...n-the-sand.jpg

I missed that part...don't really follow this shit, what happened?

I was divided on this issue...

Evil Empire or Evil Genius?

http://dailyshite.com/wp-content/upl...thstar-WTC.jpg

http://0.tqn.com/d/politicalhumor/1/...upsidedown.jpg

Thanks for the 'splanations everyones - everythings is now clear! :thumbsup :winkwink:

ADG

Ok, my apologies, I used Afghanistan to magnify my point. So Saudi Arabia.

Nonetheless, can you honestly believe, when you tell yourself the official version of 9/11 is true? Mossad, who is probably the most skilled organization in the world at covert operations, wouldn't even be capable of executing an attack like 9/11.

Do you really believe a bunch of assholes with box cutters pulled off the greatest attack on US soil in history? I'm sorry, but it's simply implausible.

It was even on CNN years ago, I think at least. Remember how within 36 hours of 9/11 attacks, the FBI had a nice print-out of the terrorists who were on the planes? Well, the media managed to track several of them down. One was a university student, another a computer engineer, etc... They were alive & healthy.

Kiopa, if your so convinced in what your saying, why even bother debating other people?


Are you trying to shine some light on the situation for the rest of us? Maybe explain to us some angle we may have missed?


Sorry to burst your bubble, but if I thought the truthers were idiots back in 01, then I still think they are idiots now.

And its pretty insulting to New Yorkers like myself that lost friends and people that worked and lived around there. At that time in my life, I was hanging out blocks away from the WTC and while I wasn't there that day, theres a chance I could have been on any other day. I used to go to windows of the world regularly back then with friends that worked in the building. Its a tragic event in our history, but it happened and making insane/asinine/ridiculous conspiracy theories doesn't help.

Ouch. Rogue FBI agent made the list up, lol.

I dunno...I guess I'm of the opinion that I just really don't give a shit about 9/11 anymore. There's 2 versions of the "truth" and I think as usual, the truth is somewhere between, and I just don't have the patience to go through all the evidence. It doesn't help solve the problems of today including my own.

Those of you who believe it's a grand conspiracy, why do you still live here and why don't you do something to rise up? You care enough to argue with people who believe the govt's story on message boards...is that the extent of it?

Same names...different people...end of story.

there is nothing even the slightest bit implausible about a group of young men who trained and planned for years to take charge of some civil aircraft and managed to crash them into some buildings.

thats what's so funny about the truthers crazed fantasies - they think that a vastly more complex and implausible explanation is somehow the obvious choice - then find tidbits of bullshit to use as "evidence" to support the hypothesis they have started with.

Your statement "Mossad, who is probably the most skilled organization in the world at covert operations, wouldn't even be capable of executing an attack like 9/11" is BEYOND ridiculous... just the way that you worded this absurd opinion - as if it were fact - shows that you have no grasp of reality. We are talking about soft, un-armed, and weak pilots and stewardess' who had no training in close combat and had no expectation of danger - it must have been VERY simple for the terrorists to get control of these aircraft.... and as a private pilot myself I can tell you - it would be easy to fly these planes to their destinations and hit the targets.

Truthers - you should write science fiction rather than trying to re-write history.

oh man. you're quoting newton? i don't study this bullshit like some people. it was just a passing comment. a plane SMASHES into one side of a building, so you would assume that side should be much weaker than the other, yet the whole thing goes as if all four sides were hit. just my 'simple' thinking. sorry.

Scroll back through this thread and read my comments regarding tube-frame construction.

The outer walls, even more so due to, as a cost saving measure, the core not being encased in concrete, was the strongest part of the structure.

Furthermore, the outer walls, unlike other parts of the structures, were extremely over-engineered with much redundancy able to withstand the loss of many of the columns, such as what occurred when the planes hit them.

In short, from an engineering aspect, it's not surprising that WTC 1&2, in particular, collapsed straight down.

People with all these theories should research the basics of how the buildings were constructed and their various failure modes ... in that context, much of what seems inexplicable, is very explainable - no need for complex theories or aliens :1orglaugh

Ron

:thumbsup

From every news source there is, the ones fed by governments i trust the least.

Wow. Why would a building ever fall over sideways?

Link to WikiLeaks article?

Impact from missiles hitting the WTC buildings. There's NO DOCUMENTABLE PROOF that airplanes hit the building, bro.

Presumably those were all of box-frame construction. That makes a huge difference.

The twin towers were of tube-frame construction. Far less forgiving in a fire situation.

All the people posting these theories lack credibility when they neglect to understand the rudimentary basics of the towers ... as in how they were constructed and their design weaknesses, which are well documented, such as lack of internal support (for open floor plans), lack of concrete around the core (drywall used instead for economy), and lack of redundancy compared to box-frame construction (ie. Empire State Building).

Ron

heheheheh.

Really??

I think if some folks are really upset with this government and country, they should leave.

I think regardless, it's a tragedy that I will never see something as terrible in my lifetime.

I also prefer to spend my time and effort helping the victims and families that were lost instead of trying to find out the truth about something no one will know in there lifetime (or too old to give a damn)

Oh and if you leave, please give me your domains! :thumbsup

mrR :pimp

And we're also taking about a few assholes with $0.50 box cutters / utility knives. We're also talking about 100+ American citizens, and in general, Americans don't take shit from people.

You're on a plane with say 100 other passengers, some guy just slashes someone else's throat with a box cutter, everyone is now scared for their lives, adrenelin is pumping, etc. Do you really believe everyone would just sit there, and patiently & obediently wait? Again, these are Americans we're talking about.

That, and they were capable of taking over the entire plane before the pilot, co-pilot, or any of the staff would call in a quick mayday, triggering NORAD to spring into the air? Again, the fabricated lie the US government fed us is simply implausible.

molten steel? Why were they having drills of terrorists flying planes into the WTC during the morning that terrorists were actually flying planes into the WTC?

and if this question isn't enough for you, WHY did the same thing happen in London during the train bombings?

shhhh...you will scare them

they have a good bead on things now...buildings fall into themselves all the time
just look a the experts here, they have no trouble giving you links to popular mechanics...whos main editor quit in disgust before they gave their take on what happened..lol

yeah...careful..not to scare people

they dont want to know whats in mr falcone's box

You, kind sir, are in desperate need of one of these:

http://imagineannie.files.wordpress....ht-jacket1.jpg

0.73 - DOSBox, an x86 emulator with DOS did it, 666/911 = 0.73, obvious!

j/k but they did it form inside job!

you are in need of one of these...and then to use it for yourself
http://www.solarnavigator.net/biolog...rnal_parts.jpg

Occams razor wins 9/11 every single time.

Common sense does away with almost every single argument. For instance, do you think a terrorist with a boxcutter stands up from the back of the plane and brandishes his boxcutter and screams "I am now fighting my way to the cockpit for dastardly deeds!!!!" leaving it fair game to wonder how it could be true that no passengers tried to stop them? Pure fictional crap. Worthy of Foxnews. Take it as a compliment if you want. It's all false premise. You have to start with reality or it's not honest speculation.

Along that line, does anyone really think that if someone kicked your door in right now 2 feet behind you, that you would be able to get off a 911 mayday before you were stabbed? Again, you have to start with something that resembles reality to be honest in your theories.

Of course Occam's razor wins. Unfortunately, most of our brain trust here in this thread has no real idea what that means.

GFY retards like Phoenix and his cronies really do believe the most absurd things. Things that shouldn't even make it passed the common sense filter. One sterling example is the insistence that it makes more sense to pretend to hijack a plane, get rid of all the passengers somehow so they're never heard from again, fly a cruise missile in to the Pentagon in broad daylight, then quickly plant parts of an airplane at the scene rather than just fly an airplane in to the Pentagon. It does a fantastic job illustrating how slow some of these self-professed enlightened thinkers really are. :2 cents: