I am sorry, when have I EVER suggested virtual hosting won't work? Shared server, dedicated IP = good thing. Shared server, shared IP, not so much. If you are only interested in PR, I guess it would suffice.

As far as Cutts is concerned, you do realize that G wants zero SEO.

If you are going to quote people, how about the godfather of SEO?

50 seo hosting for sell cheapz!

He's wrong about the "host crowding" all the time .. since he started offering his service.

"For several years Google has used something called ?host crowding,? which means that Google will show up to two results from each hostname/subdomain of a domain name. That approach works very well to show 1-2 results from a subdomain..."

Your terminology is a little off there.

"Virtual hosting is a method for hosting multiple domain names on a computer using a single IP address."

I wasn't talking about virtual private servers.

And he is talking about Page Rank. I will always recommend a dedicated IP over a shared any day of the week. I will also listen to people like Bruce Clay, who will INSIST that you host your site on a dedicated IP or they will not accept you as a client.

If you ask 10 different SEO's the same question you will get 10 answers. Again, I am not trying to sell you. You go with what works for you. :2 cents:

The rules of these threads were clear

http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?t=950712

THE RULES:
1) Trolling in GFY Educational Threads will be grounds for immediate banning for one week.

2) Using the GFY Educational threads as a platform to Spam will be removed and a warning issued.


I was not fucking around with these. You are banned till next week. You can contact me at that time for unbanning.

Great post, BD

How many actual, real, SEO webmasters do you see using similar services, and what qualifies the O.P as an authority worthy of educating anyone on Search Engine Optimization? This isn't trolling, this is a serious question. Chosing this as a debut topic for the new 'area' was maybe a bad idea, its fairly controversial.

There is no way to prove any of these claims, and no direct evidence the O.P can provide to back any of it up. Its all marketing hype.

Saying not to spam them (in this case) is a little bizarre for me, since this whole post is a blatant spam for his own services, which many SEO webmasters do not use to begin with. I've been gaming google for 6 years, and have a pretty lengthy, and surprisingly thorough contact list. Guess how many of them use services like this? Zero of them. Guess how many SEO noobs ask about it and how important it is? Almost all of them.

What am I missing here? I was excited to see some quality posts for this new forum. If this is the 'grand debut', it certainly has crippled my excitement.

'If you ask 10 SEO's they will all say different" another default snakeoil response, ask 10 SEO's who actually have a clue, and have actual sites that rank, THEN SEE WHAT THEY SAY.

This is all smoke and mirrors, and if not, it should be pretty clear for the OP to produce examples or links showing how this information is actually is factual (which a lot of is just the opposite, or twisted versions of the facts, already pointed out many times earlier). Maybe an educational post should not be made by someone biased (monetarily) about the value of the information. I mean, he plans to profit off people believing this. It is NOT unbiased, factual information no matter how you slice it.

He may or may not be fairly educated at hosting, but his SEO results, and rankings are very much a question to most posters here, I think there needs to be some standard for such 'educational' posts.

Baddog, as much as I'd like to take a poke, this isn't really meant to be. I'm speaking more to the issue of seo hosting, and many of its myths, that coincidentally, play strong into your businesses success.

If I'm trolling and this is breaking the rules, guess I'll see you all in a week or two, but I would think that constructive discussion on these threads should be encouraged and would add to the value of each one of them.

anyone who knows anything about seo knows that baddog is a snakesoil salesman. he has yet to show any decent serp on a term with any decent traffic.

Maybe before taking off on your rant you should learn to pay attention to what is BOLD in my post. Oracle Porn was banned for trolling this thread, not spamming. Therefore, he is banned for one week. We set the rules, they are not for debate.

Beyond that, you are certainly welcome to your opinion. But keep the debate constructive and on topic. In many cases people will end up learning far more in the long run through a debate. If you want to bring your knowledge to the table. We more than welcome that, and as stated in our announcement thread please contact us and we would love to have more and more people bringing their knowledge to the table.

Lastly, this is not the first of these posts. As stated in our announcement thread, this series began on February 1st. You can find the first of the series in the GFY Educational series forum section.

interesting spam.

lol seo hosting

I think you're missing the point. I don't think Jdoughs was trying to defend Oracle Porn in any way, more showing a slight irony in the set rules and their application to posts of 'educational threads' and responses therein. Of course, the suggestion that baddog's level of spamage is anything close to that of Oracle Porn's level of trolling is slightly fallacious, yet the point still stands and adds to his overall argument.

Whats your take on different DCs, DC location, hostnames/reverse DNSs and multiple/virtual nameservers Baddog?

Great post Baddog - thanks for the knowledge and a bump.

Regarding 3% on dedicated IP preference in SERPs, assuming stated quote is true, what would be logical explanation for providing preference to dedicated IPs over shared majority? more reliable, trusted or even significant than the other? What's your take on this?

Thanks Baddog!

seo is dead

Great read thanks for posting it :)

Different C class hosting is just one part of creating a network if you're trying to game the search engines.

Other considerations people should think about:

Whois details - are you going to fake 50 different sets?

Registrars - how many different ones are you going to use?

Are you using the same site generator / template on multiple sites?

Are you leaving any kind of common footprint whatsoever across your network?

I wouldn't be surprised at all if in the next year or so we see google putting sites hosted on these supposed "SEO Hosting" plans increasingly put under the microscope, and it will go down as yet another "potential spam" factor.

There's a reason I host several hundred sites on over a dozen different hosting companies, and across a variety of different registrars. Most people who have large networks that I know do the same.

Good luck.

gotta love gfy.

i get trolled by PleasurePays attacking my newborn child and wife and nothing happens. But post in a baddog thread and you get banned. what about the rules on personal attacks on family members, and children especially????

amazing.

my apologies for bringing this in your thread BD, ignore it from here out, but I couldnt pass that up. considerer it a free bump.

Eric I brought it to your attention previously because you were ther person who UNBANNED pleasurepays after he was banned originally for trolling me and making weird pedo accusations about me and my family. Pedo accusations should never be taken lightly and he was unabnned by you without any debate over his actions.

You unbanned him and he started going after my kid and wife now.

anyway, just see this shit as ironic.

good post, BadDog. As usual!

wow, Eric is back? That's awesome news! (I have been away for the last few weeks, so I didn't know)

baddog you're trying to explain astrophysics to winos... good luck with that ;)

i remember we were kickin it outside the palms last month and that new cat was like 'all hostings the same right so why is your seo shit any different'

Lots of haters in this thread, nice article.

If you dicks respond like this to anyone that is kind enough to share some information, why should anyone bother giving out the goods. Way to go idiots, go fuck yourself.

I personally would prefer not have a few douchebags ruin the educational series for those who want to learn, plenty of people do appreciate the effort and will support the contributors.

Please post if you agree with this so that the jerkoffs that have only negativity to spread can be outnumbered and proceed to fuck off.

Why is it that when members of this industry share info and give their insights and opinions, everyone wants to label it as spam? I haven't seen Baddog try to sell his services to anyone in this thread. In fact, he clearly said he is NOT intending to do that.

For the record, we invited Baddog to participate and share his expertise on this topic. He did not beat down our door to try to spam his product.

Please utilize this series to take away new knowledge and apply it where possible to increase your bottom line. Healthy debate is ENCOURAGED - if everyone agrees and high fives each other, we aren't making progress. But trolling and attacking the topic and the author is not acceptable.

OMFG. Isnt that the pimp with $280 checking account.
You're trying way too hard kid. Kiking it outside.. new bird.. Where you on a radar before march 2009?
Give this dude a "bro club prospect" patch. :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

All QFT!

....nevermind

nice to see there is stricter rules here. If someone takes time out of their busy schedule to share information with everyone else it is good to keep the trolls in check. Its one thing to disagree with someone, but trolling someone who is sharing info and trying to help people is sad :Oh crap

thanks for the info Baddog.

:thumbsup

this is no different than someone who is on the pannel at a convention or holds a workshop. It's only natural that what people know best is their own business and in most cases they offer their services to the public if they want it.

Baddog owns a hosting company that caters to SEO. It wouldn't sense for him to get up here and talk about programming :winkwink:

the trolls just want to argue. :Oh crap

too fucking funny. i can't even come up with an appropriate post after reading all of this.

What size network of sites do you have and what are you doing that "requires" you to need a network like this?

I'm not saying you don't knock some shit down, but the level you're talking about is so far past 99% of what people need, it's not even funny.



All I know is 10k + domains at one registrar, one host... and as long as you aren't purposely trying to gauge the engines, you will never have any issues and still hammer down se traffic. I own 100's of the same niche domains, same host, same registrar, very few ip's... years now, no issues.

It's not really fair to compare what you have with what most people need.


And honestly, I wouldn't want to deal with multi-registrar crap, host issues, billing issues, multi-crap all related to that, when almost none of us need it. Anyone else, is already doing something different.....

hahaha no shit :1orglaugh:1orglaugh

On top of that he has the whole "Avatar" shit going on his face.
He's the playaaaaaaaaaaa... What a douche

This whole thread is all about selling his "seo hosting".

That's called credits... when you write something, you leave your credits. Promoting his hosting, is what you clowns are doing that keep bringing it up.

At least stop being a pussy and using fake nicks.

Credits would be if it said bad Dog is blah blah at Got Web Host.. This part - "premier provider of multiple Class C hosting and the leader in SEO hosting services" is nothing but sales pitch and everyone knows it.
At least stop pretending to be dumb.

That's odd... when I write for others or speak to people, I give my credits... I do it so people who don't know who I am, can know that I am knowledgeable on the subject.

I have been to paid seminars, online and offline, listened to guest speakers, and people just wanting to give out help and 100% of them, give credits very similar to what Baddog did - often much more.

Stop being a hater... it makes you look like a fool.

theres nothing wrong with taking credit for doing something, just dont pretend like you're doing it to teach people things. he has a hidden agenda and that's to sell us hosting. otherwise he wouldnt be posting his opinion on things. he obviously has a highly biased opinion on the matter and has yet to back up anything with solid proof.

Riaaaaght, and when Brad from Mojo Host takes you on tour to his datacenter its because he likes hiking and not because he want to sell his services to you. Stop being a fool, fool..
I guess its a total coincidence that a phrase with "premier provider of C subnets" used in conjunction with "what is seo" question and its explanation.
drop it.

He did teach people some things...I learned. And he did not spam his shit, he gave credit - because it's needed.

If you had no idea who Baddog was (and some people don't know him) and he posted this, you WOULD question how he knows it... but once you see he is the director of an seo hosting company - and the company, it gives credit.

Baddog doesn't have to be an SEO specialist, his skills are in hosting.


It's going to be the same way with me... I'm not an affiliate program specialist, I will talk about them but related to monetizing them. You can bash me all day saying I don't know how to run a program - that's probably true, but what is also true is I know how to make them grow, like no other.

I'm sorry, did BD post pictures of his data center or invite anyone to look at them? No...

Listen idiots... Most of us that do these GFY educational series are going to pimp something, stop being a douche bag hater and respect that he gave up his time to help others.

Man, you guys are fucking dick heads... makes me not want to do a series for you ass holes.

NO SHIT... It's his fucking job, would you rather he talk about Affiliate Programs or how to ride a bike?

Holy crap... the man talks about what he knows, that can't be hard to understand.

Jill, this is the reason I changed my mind. I don't want you guys to be angry at me or think it was a slight.

WTF does it matter to you or anyone. Is he only sharing this information with people if they sign up for his services first? NO. You do know he isn't the only person that offers SEO hosting. He is sharing information with everyone, information he feels to be correct and beneficial, if you disagree with what he says then take it or leave it.

You can use the free information he is giving or not. If you choose to use it you can also go to another company and do business with them instead of gotwebhost.

So what if he throws out a link to his site and mentions he can provide these services. Do you really expect someone to take time out of their busy day and educate people and not mention their own company ? It's bad enough he is posting information for free, you don't even want him to name drop his own company so that he could POTENTIALLY get some clients??? For all he knows everyone here could use his free info and go to one of his competitors.

What is wrong with you people? I don't see any of you here trying to educate people muchless doing it for 100% free with no links in your sig, no mention of what you offer etc... :disgust

unbelievable. some of you people have way t oo much time on your hands. Stop and think about what you are bitching about.... some guy who is offering free information, you are in here bitching because he gave a link to his site. Sorry lives you people have if this is what you spend part of your day doing.

Ignore the haters Robbie... I want to read what you have to say.

In all honesty, this is the problem TheDoc. The people who work in the field the post is targeting, for the most part, do not agree with any of it, at least not one in the field has stepped into say 'Yes this is essential". In FACT, its been quite the opposite, or at best, a "I don't know".

You yourself even said that in your own experience they meant very little. Which is very similar to what I see, and what I've done (successfully at that). I know a couple guys who do run multiple classes, but they do it on their own, and will be the FIRST to tell you, they arent sure if it matters, but is an insurance.

My post above was not an attack on Baddog, but you don't bring a 1st year apprentice to a Nascar race, and get him to advise Crew Chiefs how to change lug nuts. That's what this feels like.

But because of the normal trolls, nobody will discuss the validity of this. They talk shit, everyone gets defensive, and suddenly everyone who doesn't agree with the OP, and say THANKS, is a dickhead asshole who is 'wrecking' or 'trolling' the educational series.

So I will ask again. What qualifies the original poster as an expert worthy of educating us on SEO and SEO Hosting. His own company is NOT enough validity to say he is an expert. Serps would be valid, but we will not see any of those appear.