....nevermind

nice to see there is stricter rules here. If someone takes time out of their busy schedule to share information with everyone else it is good to keep the trolls in check. Its one thing to disagree with someone, but trolling someone who is sharing info and trying to help people is sad :Oh crap

thanks for the info Baddog.

:thumbsup

this is no different than someone who is on the pannel at a convention or holds a workshop. It's only natural that what people know best is their own business and in most cases they offer their services to the public if they want it.

Baddog owns a hosting company that caters to SEO. It wouldn't sense for him to get up here and talk about programming :winkwink:

the trolls just want to argue. :Oh crap

too fucking funny. i can't even come up with an appropriate post after reading all of this.

What size network of sites do you have and what are you doing that "requires" you to need a network like this?

I'm not saying you don't knock some shit down, but the level you're talking about is so far past 99% of what people need, it's not even funny.



All I know is 10k + domains at one registrar, one host... and as long as you aren't purposely trying to gauge the engines, you will never have any issues and still hammer down se traffic. I own 100's of the same niche domains, same host, same registrar, very few ip's... years now, no issues.

It's not really fair to compare what you have with what most people need.


And honestly, I wouldn't want to deal with multi-registrar crap, host issues, billing issues, multi-crap all related to that, when almost none of us need it. Anyone else, is already doing something different.....

hahaha no shit :1orglaugh:1orglaugh

On top of that he has the whole "Avatar" shit going on his face.
He's the playaaaaaaaaaaa... What a douche

This whole thread is all about selling his "seo hosting".

That's called credits... when you write something, you leave your credits. Promoting his hosting, is what you clowns are doing that keep bringing it up.

At least stop being a pussy and using fake nicks.

Credits would be if it said bad Dog is blah blah at Got Web Host.. This part - "premier provider of multiple Class C hosting and the leader in SEO hosting services" is nothing but sales pitch and everyone knows it.
At least stop pretending to be dumb.

That's odd... when I write for others or speak to people, I give my credits... I do it so people who don't know who I am, can know that I am knowledgeable on the subject.

I have been to paid seminars, online and offline, listened to guest speakers, and people just wanting to give out help and 100% of them, give credits very similar to what Baddog did - often much more.

Stop being a hater... it makes you look like a fool.

theres nothing wrong with taking credit for doing something, just dont pretend like you're doing it to teach people things. he has a hidden agenda and that's to sell us hosting. otherwise he wouldnt be posting his opinion on things. he obviously has a highly biased opinion on the matter and has yet to back up anything with solid proof.

Riaaaaght, and when Brad from Mojo Host takes you on tour to his datacenter its because he likes hiking and not because he want to sell his services to you. Stop being a fool, fool..
I guess its a total coincidence that a phrase with "premier provider of C subnets" used in conjunction with "what is seo" question and its explanation.
drop it.

He did teach people some things...I learned. And he did not spam his shit, he gave credit - because it's needed.

If you had no idea who Baddog was (and some people don't know him) and he posted this, you WOULD question how he knows it... but once you see he is the director of an seo hosting company - and the company, it gives credit.

Baddog doesn't have to be an SEO specialist, his skills are in hosting.


It's going to be the same way with me... I'm not an affiliate program specialist, I will talk about them but related to monetizing them. You can bash me all day saying I don't know how to run a program - that's probably true, but what is also true is I know how to make them grow, like no other.

I'm sorry, did BD post pictures of his data center or invite anyone to look at them? No...

Listen idiots... Most of us that do these GFY educational series are going to pimp something, stop being a douche bag hater and respect that he gave up his time to help others.

Man, you guys are fucking dick heads... makes me not want to do a series for you ass holes.

NO SHIT... It's his fucking job, would you rather he talk about Affiliate Programs or how to ride a bike?

Holy crap... the man talks about what he knows, that can't be hard to understand.

Jill, this is the reason I changed my mind. I don't want you guys to be angry at me or think it was a slight.

WTF does it matter to you or anyone. Is he only sharing this information with people if they sign up for his services first? NO. You do know he isn't the only person that offers SEO hosting. He is sharing information with everyone, information he feels to be correct and beneficial, if you disagree with what he says then take it or leave it.

You can use the free information he is giving or not. If you choose to use it you can also go to another company and do business with them instead of gotwebhost.

So what if he throws out a link to his site and mentions he can provide these services. Do you really expect someone to take time out of their busy day and educate people and not mention their own company ? It's bad enough he is posting information for free, you don't even want him to name drop his own company so that he could POTENTIALLY get some clients??? For all he knows everyone here could use his free info and go to one of his competitors.

What is wrong with you people? I don't see any of you here trying to educate people muchless doing it for 100% free with no links in your sig, no mention of what you offer etc... :disgust

unbelievable. some of you people have way t oo much time on your hands. Stop and think about what you are bitching about.... some guy who is offering free information, you are in here bitching because he gave a link to his site. Sorry lives you people have if this is what you spend part of your day doing.

Ignore the haters Robbie... I want to read what you have to say.

In all honesty, this is the problem TheDoc. The people who work in the field the post is targeting, for the most part, do not agree with any of it, at least not one in the field has stepped into say 'Yes this is essential". In FACT, its been quite the opposite, or at best, a "I don't know".

You yourself even said that in your own experience they meant very little. Which is very similar to what I see, and what I've done (successfully at that). I know a couple guys who do run multiple classes, but they do it on their own, and will be the FIRST to tell you, they arent sure if it matters, but is an insurance.

My post above was not an attack on Baddog, but you don't bring a 1st year apprentice to a Nascar race, and get him to advise Crew Chiefs how to change lug nuts. That's what this feels like.

But because of the normal trolls, nobody will discuss the validity of this. They talk shit, everyone gets defensive, and suddenly everyone who doesn't agree with the OP, and say THANKS, is a dickhead asshole who is 'wrecking' or 'trolling' the educational series.

So I will ask again. What qualifies the original poster as an expert worthy of educating us on SEO and SEO Hosting. His own company is NOT enough validity to say he is an expert. Serps would be valid, but we will not see any of those appear.

"There is no such thing as Unicorn Hosting"
- Matt Cutts

"Well.. yeah. What do you expect? Matt Cutts has an agenda. Of course he's going to say that"
- Unicorn Hosting Sales and Marketing Director

Robbie, you run a great site, a legendary site in its niche that has built up a massive following and fan base. I would love to see what you have to say.

You most likely won't be pitching us a 'controversial' service, and come across as a master of something that you are not.

Also, we all know what qualifies you, we ALL SEE IT, we all have seen it, we all have been there. That proof or respect from the 'general businessmen' is already there, we know what you can do.

Whether some people have issues or not with you on the boards, you now your business, there is NO question.

What makes anyone an expert? You know how many people have SEO blogs, companies, sell educational materials etc... Since there isn't a universal SEO test that is given and your score determines if you are an expert or not, or you get a masters degree in SEO lol, how do you guage if anyone is an expert or not. You take the information given and you either agree with it or not. Take it or leave it. Some people will agree, some might not. It's SEO, everyone has a different opinion. Who are you to determine if they are "worthy" to share what they believe to be correct with everyone else.

Generaly speaking, since there is nothing else to guage what an "expert" is, I would go off of his level of success. He seems pretty successful, so he must be doing something right.

Serps would be a pretty good gauge to determine whether someone had the slightest clue, wouldn't you think?

Pretty much any single example would suffice. There has been none, and and doubt we will ever see one.

i love this thread. :)

Ditto. I hope you re-consider, Robbie. :)

Education wise... if someone has other opinions of seo or seo hosting, I think we are all ears here.

I have used BD's host.... I just realized when doing it that, while I can SEO - I'm no god at at and I don't do it enough to benefit from his services.

In his case, he isn't an SEO Specialist, he is a hosting company that helps SEO specialists..

He is qualified because it's what he does... I could tell you about coding (as an example), but others could tell you far better than me, but they aren't going to tell you - that's the difference.

Self quote..... Instead of saying BD is wrong, has no creds, whatever. People should educate us, add to the topic, debate it if needed - but slam it isn't ever needed. Even if the person is wrong, it's called education for a reason - it's all around, from the creator of the thread to all of us.

This ends RIGHT FUCKING NOW... The next person to bring up the issue of how Baddog took credit for writing this article will be banned.

No I am not fucking around. These threads are not to turn into a bitch fest because you guys don't like this or that. We made it clear that we would be giving credit and extra push for the those who participated in this series. If you guys don't like it, SHUT YOUR FUCKING MOUTHS! I don't want to see it in this thread, or any further Educational Series threads from here on out.

This is the last time I will mention this.

You don't get serps by getting different IP A & C class nets approved by ARIN. You don't automatically get serps by setting up hosting at different datacenters and aggregating them to one control interface. That is where baddog's expertise lies. Fuck some people are dense.

Was away at XBIZ, will respond to real, on-topic questions as I agreed.


As was mentioned by someone earlier, covering your footprints is a good thing. So, yes on all of the above.

I think it has something to do with G thinking you are more serious. It is kind of like the theory that if you register your domain for 10 years, all things being equal, G will pick your site over the year-to-year renewal.

I am sure it all fits in their algo in some way, but how much is anyone's guess. Apparently Bruce Clay feels it has some significant weight. I know goodgirl had experimented with this before and had similar results.

I have a feeling you are not alone.

No matter what example I gave you guys would say it is not a competitive enough example. I can assure you that we rank well for phrases we want. We make sales. Giving you a specific example would only give info that serves no purpose. Like I said, I am not trying to sell anything.

You are a smart guy, I am sure you could figure out some of our phrases if you looked.

I re-read the original post 3 times and i still have no clue what it was about.

I think it was about something called HOST CROWDING, but i still don't understand what it is.

How is it relevant to SEO? Can you explain?

That's the great thing about logic, the burden of proof lies upon the party which makes the claim.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_authority

Example: I want to sell my meth for fags to "booty bump" on corner A. Now corner A already has a huge batch of faggot meth salesmen, I contact some dude to enable me to sell booty bump meth to horny fags on corners b-z.

Any more questions?

:1orglaugh Well done.

So you are saying that if same web host have two different clients going for the same keyword, then google will somehow penalize one of them?

Bump.... err wait.. it's a sticky.... nevermind.

Couldn't you guys take the Host Crowding argument to a new topic thread and leave this one untainted as Eric requested? It's a good subject to debate and learn from by others experiences and thoughts.

Maybe these Education Series could be locked as soon as they're posted.

First off, I am a customer of the Poster's service, and feel it offers a fair value.

I also have been recently subject to a MEGA-SUPER-GOOGLE sandbox penalty and lost thousands of first and second page placements, and more than half of my overall traffic.

Note: I DO NOT feel that 'SEO Hosting' was responsible for this ban.

However, the above quote is a very, VERY important read for ANYONE who is considering signing up for 'SEO' (or any other type of) hosting with the intention of crosslinking, link wheeling, or any other type of manual manipulation / link sculpting strategies.

Different IP's is a good start, which is what Gotwebhost provides. However, the nameservers on ALL these accounts (at least mine) are registered to...guess who?

This is a point of commonality.

Outside of this, so is your registrar, whois info, affiliate ID's, site plugins, templates, and all factors listed above and more.

Now, there is no PROOF that any of these factors have direct SEO implications, but if you think your a-b-c link strategy or 5 different IP's are fooling the big G, you're sadly mistaken. The creation of a truly 'organic' network in the purest sense is nearly impossible to achieve.

The networks I had created were what I though to be VERY organic and VERY well crafted, with all the above factors taken into consideration and more. Most importantly, all sites had UNIQUE, ORIGINAL content. This above ALL ELSE is KEY.

This network grew slowly and steadily for close to 2 years - till summer of 2009, when close to 400 varied sites were unceremoniously dropped over a frighteningly short 2 day period.

However, after careful examination, there were small, NEARLY undetectable points of commonality to most of these sites. These sent up a flag, and...well...you know the rest.

Bottom line: Be careful. It CAN happen.

And now, back to work...

I am not sure who you are, but it sounds like you probably have a plan with dedicated IPs. Just an FYI: All of those plans allow for private nameservers. If you need assistance with how to do that, please do not hesitate to ask.