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Mr Gump 03-15-2010 10:40 PM

cool, thanks

will76 03-15-2010 10:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by marketsmart (Post 16947648)


Content: 14 factors

13. Rampant mis-spelling of words, bad grammar, and 10,000 word screeds without punctuation;


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Oh shit Sleazy is fucked. He will never get his sites listed well in google :1orglaugh :winkwink:

will76 03-15-2010 10:57 PM

Thanks for sharing the info. Very helpfull.


I have a question. I've assumed that google will detect how much traffic your site gets and will give more love to sites that get a lot of traffic. If the site gets 10 hits a day I assume they know this (as they know everything) and not index you well. How many hits a day do you think a site needs to not be penalized for not being popular.

If I buy some good relavent inbound links but don't get a good placement on those sites and in turn get little traffic from them. I am wondering how much traffic I should buy for the site and how good the quality should be (all US, or mix of traffic).

I ask because I am building 100's of sites and can't go balls to the wall with traffic on all of them. But I can buy more traffic to help make them appear more popular, in addition to what ever traffic I get from hard links.

Thanks.

Adam_M 03-15-2010 11:01 PM

Thanks for the great post!

papill0n 03-15-2010 11:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by marketsmart (Post 16947648)
I FUCKING own Google:


Domain: 13 factors

1. Domain age;
2. Length of domain registration;
3. Domain registration information hidden/anonymous;
4. Site top level domain (geographical focus, e.g. com versus co.uk);
5. Site top level domain (e.g. .com versus .info);
6. Sub domain or root domain?
7. Domain past records (how often it changed IP);
8. Domain past owners (how often the owner was changed)
9. Keywords in the domain;
10. Domain IP;
11. Domain IP neighbors;
12. Domain external mentions (non-linked)
13. Geo-targeting settings in Google Webmaster Tools

Server-side: 2 factors

1. Server geographical location;
2. Server reliability / uptime

Architecture: 8 factors

1. URL structure;
2. HTML structure;
3. Semantic structure;
4. Use of external CSS / JS files;
5. Website structure accessibility (use of inaccessible navigation, JavaScript, etc);
6. Use of canonical URLs;
7. ?Correct? HTML code (?);
8. Cookies usage;

Content: 14 factors

1. Content language
2. Content uniqueness;
3. Amount of content (text versus HTML);
4. Unlinked content density (links versus text);
5. Pure text content ratio (without links, images, code, etc)
6. Content topicality / timeliness (for seasonal searches for example);
7. Semantic information (phrase-based indexing and co-occurring phrase indicators)
8. Content flag for general category (transactional, informational, navigational)
9. Content / market niche
10. Flagged keywords usage (gambling, dating vocabulary)
11. Text in images (?)
12. Malicious content (possibly added by hackers);
13. Rampant mis-spelling of words, bad grammar, and 10,000 word screeds without punctuation;
14. Use of absolutely unique /new phrases.

Internal Cross Linking: 5 factors

1. # of internal links to page;
2. # of internal links to page with identical / targeted anchor text;
3. # of internal links to page from content (instead of navigation bar, breadcrumbs, etc);
4. # of links using ?nofollow? attribute; (?)
5. Internal link density,

Website factors: 7 factors

1. Website Robots.txt file content
2. Overall site update frequency;
3. Overall site size (number of pages);
4. Age of the site since it was first discovered by Google
5. XML Sitemap;
6. On-page trust flags (Contact info ( for local search even more important), Privacy policy, TOS, and similar);
7. Website type (e.g. blog instead of informational sites in top 10)

Page-specific factors: 9 factors

1. Page meta Robots tags;
2. Page age;
3. Page freshness (Frequency of edits and
% of page effected (changed) by page edits);
4. Content duplication with other pages of the site (internal duplicate content);
5. Page content reading level; (?)
6. Page load time (many factors in here);
7. Page type (About-us page versus main content page);
8. Page internal popularity (how many internal links it has);
9. Page external popularity (how many external links it has relevant to other pages of this site);

Keywords usage and keyword prominence: 13 factors

1. Keywords in the title of a page;
2. Keywords in the beginning of page title;
3. Keywords in Alt tags;
4. Keywords in anchor text of internal links (internal anchor text);
5. Keywords in anchor text of outbound links (?);
6. Keywords in bold and italic text (?);
7. Keywords in the beginning of the body text;
8. Keywords in body text;
9. Keyword synonyms relating to theme of page/site;
10. Keywords in filenames;
11. Keywords in URL;
12. No ?Randomness on purpose? (placing ?keyword? in the domain, ?keyword? in the filename, ?keyword? starting the first word of the title, ?keyword? in the first word of the first line of the description and keyword tag?)
13. The use (abuse) of keywords utilized in HTML comment tags

Outbound links: 8 factors

1. Number of outbound links (per domain);
2. Number of outbound links (per page);
3. Quality of pages the site links in;
4. Links to bad neighborhoods;
5. Relevancy of outbound links;
6. Links to 404 and other error pages.
7. Links to SEO agencies from clients site
8. Hot-linked images

Backlink profile: 21 factors

1. Relevancy of sites linking in;
2. Relevancy of pages linking in;
3. Quality of sites linking in;
4. Quality of web page linking in;
5. Backlinks within network of sites;
6. Co-citations (which sites have similar backlink sources);
7. Link profile diversity:
1. Anchor text diversity;
2. Different IP addresses of linking sites,
3. Geographical diversity,
4. Different TLDs,
5. Topical diversity,
6. Different types of linking sites (logs, directories, etc);
7. Diversity of link placements
8. Authority Link (CNN, BBC, etc) Per Inbound Link
9. Backlinks from bad neighborhoods (absence / presence of backlinks from flagged sites)
10. Reciprocal links ratio (relevant to the overall backlink profile);
11. Social media links ratio (links from social media sites versus overall backlink profile);
12. Backlinks trends and patterns (like sudden spikes or drops of backlink number)
13. Citations in Wikipedia and Dmoz;
14. Backlink profile historical records (ever caught for link buying/selling, etc);
15. Backlinks from social bookmarking sites.

Each Separate Backlink: 6 factors

1. Authority of TLD (.com versus .gov)
2. Authority of a domain linking in
3. Authority of a page linking in
4. Location of a link (footer, navigation, body text)
5. Anchor text of a link (and Alt tag of images linking)
6. Title attribute of a link (?)

Visitor Profile and Behavior: 6 factors

1. Number of visits;
2. Visitors? demographics;
3. Bounce rate;
4. Visitors? browsing habits (which other sites they tend to visit)
5. Visiting trends and patterns (like sudden spiked in incoming traffic)
6. How often the listing is clicked within the SERPs (relevant to other listings)

Penalties, Filters and Manipulation: 12 factors

1. Keyword over usage / Keyword stuffing;
2. Link buying flag
3. Link selling flag;
4. Spamming records (comment, forums, other link spam);
5. Cloaking;
6. Hidden Text;
7. Duplicate Content (external duplication)
8. History of past penalties for this domain
9. History of past penalties for this owner
10. History of past penalties for other properties of this owner (?)
11. Past hackers? attacks records
12. 301 flags: double re-directs/re-direct loops, or re-directs ending in 404 error

More Factors (6):

1. Domain registration with Google Webmaster Tools;
2. Domain presence in Google News;
3. Domain presence in Google Blog Search;
4. Use of the domain in Google AdWords;
5. Use of the domain in Google Analytics;
6. Business name / brand name external mentions.











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nice - thanks

moeloubani 03-15-2010 11:37 PM

in regards to the whois info thing, do you think there is an advantage in keeping whois info private from an seo point of view? do you think that google looks at that info to find networks of sites belonging to one person? and thanks!!

Kevsh 03-15-2010 11:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by moeloubani (Post 16949467)
in regards to the whois info thing, do you think there is an advantage in keeping whois info private from an seo point of view? do you think that google looks at that info to find networks of sites belonging to one person? and thanks!!

If you're building a link farm (even on a small scale) then having a bunch of sites interlinked with the same whois info is not a good idea.

Danny B 03-15-2010 11:56 PM

Excellent thread and posts. Bookmarked.
Thanks 2bet and marketsmart!

LustyVixens 03-16-2010 12:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 2bet (Post 16947501)
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Keywords – Google scans these, and though not critically important for Google, they do pull weight if kept under 800 characters with no more the 3 usages per keyword, but other search engines still rely heavily on them. I never overlook using them and when done properly, do assist in your rankings.

Google does not use the keywords meta tag in web ranking, however, there are search engines who still do so it's a good idea not to abandon keywords, just don't spend too much time on it.

BTW cool article.

Zuzana Designs 03-16-2010 06:08 AM

Great read Bobby thanks. I need to get with you so we can finish the stuff we chatted about a couple months ago. Just never enough hours in the day it seems.

Rankings 03-16-2010 06:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LustyVixens (Post 16949553)
Google does not use the keywords meta tag in web ranking, however, there are search engines who still do so it's a good idea not to abandon keywords, just don't spend too much time on it.

BTW cool article.

ty, but if you were to put a group of mainstream keywords in your meta keyword tag unrelated to your adult site, it will not only highly effect your rankings but you can possibly be banned in a short period of time which is the purpose in them scanning this meta tag.

Finike 03-16-2010 06:36 AM

Great stuff - everybody should read that

Rankings 03-16-2010 07:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zuzana Designs (Post 16949878)
Great read Bobby thanks. I need to get with you so we can finish the stuff we chatted about a couple months ago. Just never enough hours in the day it seems.

ty and absolutely, hit me off anytime

CaptainHowdy 03-16-2010 08:15 AM

Great contribution!

Veevee 03-16-2010 08:34 AM

wow...your post was not only informative but easy to read....normally i just scan through posts this long but awesome job on this one..you got my attention! :thumbsup

fris 03-16-2010 08:46 AM

ya 2 misconceptions, domain age and meta keywords, both arent a factor

domain age:
https://youtube.com/watch?v=Y1_1NQWQJ2Q

meta keywords
https://youtube.com/watch?v=jK7IPbnmvVU

marketsmart 03-16-2010 10:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fris (Post 16950279)
ya 2 misconceptions, domain age and meta keywords, both arent a factor

domain age:
https://youtube.com/watch?v=Y1_1NQWQJ2Q

meta keywords
https://youtube.com/watch?v=jK7IPbnmvVU

there is a difference between what is a factor and how much weight is placed on a factor... :2 cents:






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ParlourCash Karl 03-16-2010 11:00 AM

Great Post - Thanks

Angry Jew Cat - Banned for Life 03-16-2010 11:31 AM

In regards to Google Analytics and Google Adwords presence as factors in SEO. What sort of weight do you feel is placed on these factors? Those are 2 I haven't really heard mentioned in an SEO conversation before.

Does Google really favor those using Analytics in their SERPs?

My intense Google paranoia has kept me away for a long time, but running Adsense on a few sites now they pretty much have the same access to any information Analytics would give them. So I'm considering checking it out now.

I've heard rumor that sites running Adsense panels may be given weight. The assumption being based on the idea that Google would favor sites supporting it's own ad network. I can't really vouch for it because I've only been playing with Adsense for a while. Just throwing the talk out there. Any input on this?

Rankings 03-16-2010 12:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Angry Jew Cat (Post 16950768)
In regards to Google Analytics and Google Adwords presence as factors in SEO. What sort of weight do you feel is placed on these factors? Those are 2 I haven't really heard mentioned in an SEO conversation before.

Does Google really favor those using Analytics in their SERPs?

My intense Google paranoia has kept me away for a long time, but running Adsense on a few sites now they pretty much have the same access to any information Analytics would give them. So I'm considering checking it out now.

I've heard rumor that sites running Adsense panels may be given weight. The assumption being based on the idea that Google would favor sites supporting it's own ad network. I can't really vouch for it because I've only been playing with Adsense for a while. Just throwing the talk out there. Any input on this?

There is no real proof that using Googles tools brings you SEO benefits when it comes to rankings. I do however feel that using the tools Google gives you helps you decide whats working and where your lacking. The information both analytics and google webmasters tools is crucial in our day to day statistics. If we have ranked a client top 3 for a keyword they wanted, but the bounce rate on the particular keyword is ridiculously high, we know we either need to recommend a different route or the client now knows that his end product is not cutting it. Google would never out right say, "Use our products and you will rank better", but one would assume, which is why there are so many rumors, that Google would like for you to use your products, and when spidered and they see you are using their products, it can't be a bad thing.

The same rumor goes with people using both Yahoo and Bings meta tag verification for their tools. 4 out of 10 people will say that Google will not be happy to see your using their services but again, this is a rumor, there is no real proof. I have clients that are top 3 for major keywords that do not use any Google tools. I have clients that are top 3 that Do use all 3 meta verifications, so Can you rank will with the use or not, yes. Does Google move you up quicker if you use their tools, no clue.

gideongallery 03-16-2010 01:55 PM

your info is a bit outdated
no follow can no longer be used to pr shape

and your missing one of the most important characteristics bounce rate
or more specifically return to google bounce rate.

googles new algorithm weights the return to google bounce rate significantly higher then all characteristic now

because
1. it can't be manipulated
2. it showcases exactly how relevent the content that was found is

think about if a person finds what they are looking for on the page they aren't going to go back to google to search for it again.

Rankings 03-16-2010 02:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gideongallery (Post 16951227)
your info is a bit outdated
no follow can no longer be used to pr shape

and your missing one of the most important characteristics bounce rate
or more specifically return to google bounce rate.

googles new algorithm weights the return to google bounce rate significantly higher then all characteristic now

because
1. it can't be manipulated
2. it showcases exactly how relevent the content that was found is

think about if a person finds what they are looking for on the page they aren't going to go back to google to search for it again.

This is more focused on SEO directly which will be a later post. I agree that bounce rate and B.T.G is vital, but the Algo has nothing to do with this, your rankings do. There is high controversy over whether or not Google can even determine your bounce rate unless you have analytics on your site, or the surfer viewing your site has the google tool bar installed. There are various sources to verify this info.

But again, Google is a power house and nobody really knows how much info Google can collect from a site that does not use analytics. If a site was only opened from a Yahoo search on a daily bases, how would Google know your bounce rate? That's where people have assumed that the toolbar must gather information about the surfers visited sites.

The reasoning most people state for Google paying attention, but not strickly holding a ton of weight to it is because a competitor could put a hit bot on your site, or simple open and close the site 1000 times a day and drop your rankings

Jdoughs 03-16-2010 03:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gideongallery (Post 16951227)
your info is a bit outdated
no follow can no longer be used to pr shape

and your missing one of the most important characteristics bounce rate
or more specifically return to google bounce rate.

googles new algorithm weights the return to google bounce rate significantly higher then all characteristic now

because
1. it can't be manipulated
2. it showcases exactly how relevent the content that was found is

think about if a person finds what they are looking for on the page they aren't going to go back to google to search for it again.



Flawed logic, not all traffic originates from 'google'.

marketsmart 03-16-2010 04:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gideongallery (Post 16951227)
googles new algorithm weights the return to google bounce rate significantly higher then all characteristic now

because
1. it can't be manipulated
2. it showcases exactly how relevent the content that was found is

think about if a person finds what they are looking for on the page they aren't going to go back to google to search for it again.

you are wrong... :2 cents:

if anything significant has changed, its google's emphasis on FRESH relevant content..






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Rankings 03-16-2010 04:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by marketsmart (Post 16951611)
you are wrong... :2 cents:

if anything significant has changed, its google's emphasis on FRESH relevant content..






.

Fresh Relevant Content is highly focused on for sure, especially with quality keyword rich text and properly tagged, named, and SE friendly hosted images :thumbsup

www.url.com/images/site/folder1/0003/image.jpg is not as effective with Google image traffic as
www.url.com/images/anal-sex.jpg alt="Anal Sex with Cumshot"

proper imaging mixed with quality text is a Google winner :thumbsup

CPimp 03-16-2010 06:39 PM

Love this discussion, bump it up for more.

Kevsh 03-16-2010 09:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gideongallery (Post 16951227)
because
1. it can't be manipulated
2. it showcases exactly how relevent the content that was found is

1. It absolutely can be manipulated and rather easily.
2. In theory yes, as long as your #1 is true.

I've always believed that bounce rate was a factor. I've recently had a page #1 in Google for a term within a couple of hours of posting only to have it fall back a few positions by the next day. It's not a guaranteed indicator but it's hard to pinpoint what other factors would make a ranking drop so quickly when all other factors realistically haven't changed much in such a short time (including factors relating to competitor's pages).

Angry Jew Cat - Banned for Life 03-16-2010 11:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kevsh (Post 16952388)
1. It absolutely can be manipulated and rather easily.

Very very easily. :2 cents:

If it is indeed a factor, it can't have too much weight placed on it. Anyone with access to a large quantity of proxies could goto town. Best watch your torrents and email attachments, because it would be fucking trojan city. Well, I guess that's the case anyways...

CybermedAndy 03-16-2010 11:35 PM

Awesome thread.. bookmarked

27tim 03-17-2010 05:17 AM

2bet is a top guy :)

strobi 03-17-2010 05:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Varius (Post 16947521)
Very good info Bobby :thumbsup

I'd like to add one other factor, very often overlooked, is having valid html/css code. While i don't have a solid case study, it's been my experience that valid documents rank better.

Not to mention, it's just a good practice anyways, as having valid code will prevent most cross-browser "surprises" and make your site more accessible. Validation check tools can also alert you to where you may have forgotten alt tags on images, etc...

I recommend using this free validation tool: http://validator.w3.org/

True, forget about tables, do it all in clean CSS and html, and validate it.

Also, a hand written script does way better than an "off the shelf" script you can buy... Uniqueness is key!

And always, always, always, make your own texts, descriptions, linking structure etc etc...

:upsidedow

gideongallery 03-17-2010 07:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 2bet (Post 16951441)
This is more focused on SEO directly which will be a later post. I agree that bounce rate and B.T.G is vital, but the Algo has nothing to do with this, your rankings do. There is high controversy over whether or not Google can even determine your bounce rate unless you have analytics on your site, or the surfer viewing your site has the google tool bar installed. There are various sources to verify this info.

But again, Google is a power house and nobody really knows how much info Google can collect from a site that does not use analytics. If a site was only opened from a Yahoo search on a daily bases, how would Google know your bounce rate? That's where people have assumed that the toolbar must gather information about the surfers visited sites.

The reasoning most people state for Google paying attention, but not strickly holding a ton of weight to it is because a competitor could put a hit bot on your site, or simple open and close the site 1000 times a day and drop your rankings

ok i have done a split test
i put up a 2 minute tube site clip vs 10 minute clip
same pr, same links, same on page, same keywords, same base movie

the 10 minute clip ranked higher

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jdoughs (Post 16951528)
Flawed logic, not all traffic originates from 'google'.

2 words statistical sample

all the traffic doesn't have to come from google just like when they do voting results or polls not everyone in the US has to be asked who they will vote for to get accurate results.

will76 03-17-2010 08:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by will76 (Post 16949405)
Thanks for sharing the info. Very helpfull.


I have a question. I've assumed that google will detect how much traffic your site gets and will give more love to sites that get a lot of traffic. If the site gets 10 hits a day I assume they know this (as they know everything) and not index you well. How many hits a day do you think a site needs to not be penalized for not being popular.

If I buy some good relavent inbound links but don't get a good placement on those sites and in turn get little traffic from them. I am wondering how much traffic I should buy for the site and how good the quality should be (all US, or mix of traffic).

I ask because I am building 100's of sites and can't go balls to the wall with traffic on all of them. But I can buy more traffic to help make them appear more popular, in addition to what ever traffic I get from hard links.

Thanks.

Did anyone have any thoughts on what I posted ? thanks

Rankings 03-17-2010 08:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by will76 (Post 16953354)
I have a question. I've assumed that google will detect how much traffic your site gets and will give more love to sites that get a lot of traffic. If the site gets 10 hits a day I assume they know this (as they know everything) and not index you well. How many hits a day do you think a site needs to not be penalized for not being popular.

If I buy some good relavent inbound links but don't get a good placement on those sites and in turn get little traffic from them. I am wondering how much traffic I should buy for the site and how good the quality should be (all US, or mix of traffic).

I ask because I am building 100's of sites and can't go balls to the wall with traffic on all of them. But I can buy more traffic to help make them appear more popular, in addition to what ever traffic I get from hard links.

Thanks

Quote:

Originally Posted by will76 (Post 16953354)
Did anyone have any thoughts on what I posted ? thanks

Hey Will, sorry, I completely missed your post.

I wouldn't focus on your initial traffic. Google takes into consideration all new sites with 0 traffic just as much as 10yo sites with 100,000,000 uniques a day. It comes back to original quality content and solid backlinks. I took a site recently, brand new and its a .biz (i like challenges) and ranked it top 10 for ExGirlfriends in about 40 days. I went from 0 uniques a day, to 12 uniques a day to now. The key is proper optimization, content, backlinks to get the site off the ground and out of sandbox. If you have 100's of sites, assuming your IP and C-class setup is solid, do some interlinking with related sites, some A-B-C's and focus on your content. Google will take care of you naturally and organically. As you know, there is alot more to SEO this just getting some inbounds, so what you need to focus on is steady SE traffic to your over all network and the sites you want to rank top 10 for major keywords needs the extra attention on a daily basis.

Jdoughs 03-17-2010 10:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gideongallery (Post 16953256)
2 words statistical sample

all the traffic doesn't have to come from google just like when they do voting results or polls not everyone in the US has to be asked who they will vote for to get accurate results.

You cannot 'statistically sample' 15% of the internet, to tell what sites (in the remaining 85%) should rank.

They do not poll viewers about what shows they DID NOT watch, or HAVE NEVER heard of, and if a TV show isnt on, or isnt available to the viewers, they do not penalize it for not being 'viewed'.

What you are saying, and how you are explaining it in this context, is just not correct.

Rankings 03-17-2010 03:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by will76 (Post 16953354)
Did anyone have any thoughts on what I posted ? thanks

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jdoughs (Post 16953867)
You cannot 'statistically sample' 15% of the internet, to tell what sites (in the remaining 85%) should rank.

They do not poll viewers about what shows they DID NOT watch, or HAVE NEVER heard of, and if a TV show isnt on, or isnt available to the viewers, they do not penalize it for not being 'viewed'.

What you are saying, and how you are explaining it in this context, is just not correct.

well said

gideongallery 03-17-2010 06:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jdoughs (Post 16953867)
You cannot 'statistically sample' 15% of the internet, to tell what sites (in the remaining 85%) should rank.

They do not poll viewers about what shows they DID NOT watch, or HAVE NEVER heard of, and if a TV show isnt on, or isnt available to the viewers, they do not penalize it for not being 'viewed'.

What you are saying, and how you are explaining it in this context, is just not correct.

you sir are a complete moron

we are talking sites that ALL appear in google
so there is no 85% that is not there you moron

we are talking about sampling a portion of the population that goes to google and searches and then returns to google to search again and useing their results to approximate that action for the pages and to determine relevency for the future searches

weather that person goes to the embedded search box on the side or types google.com and then enters the search term again or hits the back button it doesn't matter

that behavior of web users can be statistically sampled for that page and a priority of who keeps the user the longest could be factored into the ranking (highest ranking going to those that keep the searcher longer)


assuming that if 15% bounce back to google 15% will do the same thing if they have a different search engine set in the search box IS a statistically valid comparison.

and ranking that page higher IN GOOGLE is valid too.

like i said if you don't believe it is revelent do the split test yourself, put one 2 minute clip v 10 minute clip. optimize the pages exactly the same, with only the length of the video being the difference and see which one ranks higher.

Rick Diculous 03-17-2010 08:32 PM

Very interesting thread!! Thanks for sharing. Bookmarking this one

will76 03-17-2010 08:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 2bet (Post 16953434)
Hey Will, sorry, I completely missed your post.

I wouldn't focus on your initial traffic. Google takes into consideration all new sites with 0 traffic just as much as 10yo sites with 100,000,000 uniques a day. It comes back to original quality content and solid backlinks. I took a site recently, brand new and its a .biz (i like challenges) and ranked it top 10 for ExGirlfriends in about 40 days. I went from 0 uniques a day, to 12 uniques a day to now. The key is proper optimization, content, backlinks to get the site off the ground and out of sandbox. If you have 100's of sites, assuming your IP and C-class setup is solid, do some interlinking with related sites, some A-B-C's and focus on your content. Google will take care of you naturally and organically. As you know, there is alot more to SEO this just getting some inbounds, so what you need to focus on is steady SE traffic to your over all network and the sites you want to rank top 10 for major keywords needs the extra attention on a daily basis.

Thanks for the reply.

How many "new" pages do you feel per a week is the max for the same domain? in the past I was experimenting with a site where I was generating new pages from rss feeds. I was doing about 5,000 a week. Things were going good, my results in google grew to about 40,000 pages indexed. Everything was going fine then I ramped it up to about 20,000 new pages one week, and boom the number of pages google indexed dropped to about 5,000 and my SE traffic was reduced by 90%.

What do you guys think about growing a site too fast, what is a safe amount of new pages added per week?

Rankings 03-18-2010 05:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gideongallery (Post 16955420)
you sir are a complete moron

we are talking sites that ALL appear in google
so there is no 85% that is not there you moron

we are talking about sampling a portion of the population that goes to google and searches and then returns to google to search again and useing their results to approximate that action for the pages and to determine relevency for the future searches

weather that person goes to the embedded search box on the side or types google.com and then enters the search term again or hits the back button it doesn't matter

that behavior of web users can be statistically sampled for that page and a priority of who keeps the user the longest could be factored into the ranking (highest ranking going to those that keep the searcher longer)


assuming that if 15% bounce back to google 15% will do the same thing if they have a different search engine set in the search box IS a statistically valid comparison.

and ranking that page higher IN GOOGLE is valid too.

like i said if you don't believe it is revelent do the split test yourself, put one 2 minute clip v 10 minute clip. optimize the pages exactly the same, with only the length of the video being the difference and see which one ranks higher.

Im not fully understanding your exact method your using, nor the optimization standards you have set for your site, but if the only difference between the 2 is your video length, then 1 of the 2 are getting hit with Dupe content thus for Google is only ranking 1 of them. I could easily just be missing the big picture your trying to make, but 2 sites with matching content, title, description, etc would cause the Dupe flag and based on your server stats, which ever was live first or got spidered first would be the one to get ranked.


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