Wow, this is like the most informative post I've ever read on gfy! lol

Thanks for the advice and the very nice offer. I will contact you later in the week when i am 100%

page rank is the dna of google. if you don;t understand how it works you are a fool.

Correct in a sense but what I assume most people mean(atleast I) when they say that PR doesn't matter is that you should not focus on PR. Your focus should be on getting natural(atleast looking) in-links and writing good unique content. I have pr0's making more $ and doing better in the serps than some pr3's.

Now why does this fat man show up in all my threads :)

Is that what all Canadians look to you Cunning folk?

Excellent thread!

Just started using link spun, loving it so far. Excellent work! :thumbsup

I thought he was a character on that show you watch.

Did that short dark haired woman in Northern Exposure ever do any adult work? She was lovely :1orglaugh

Pretty cool, thanks for the article!

I'm too tired to ask questions now, but I might later :)

Thanks for this very informative post! A few questions for you:

1) Is it worth starting up lets say 20 (or more) free host blogs and filling them with original content, maybe update at least once a month, and then linking back to the money sites with specific keywords (I noticed that for the Fat Dicks site there were some Blogspot backlinks)? Also, will anyone trade with free host sites on Link Spun and other trade sites?

2) How far can I go with the ABC linking strategy? Meaning, if I am linking off of 10 or so of my own blogs in order to point hundreds of links back to a main money site, how many outgoing links should I allow on those blogs? As long as those blogs have original content and are updated at least monthly or so is that sufficient as far as not having to worry about the amount of outgoing links? Also should I get a handful of reciprocal links on those blogs first before looking to do ABC trades with them or is submitting to some directories sufficient?

Thanks!

True dat. :thumbsup

as good as he knows his stuff when it comes to man-on-man action.

He likes fat dicks, and knows them like no other (stop emailing me for more cock shots John, my wife is getting suspicious).

It's gonna be sticky later on, let's give it some more love though

Hey there, great questions. I'll do my best to answer them for ya.

Some people are not interested in blogs built on free systems but in my opinion you'd have to be a fool to not incorporate them into your linking/network strategy. You can build them in less then an hour, or pay out someone to do bulk builds for you.

I do just as you mentioned, build out a handful of freeblogs with UNIQUE content, and utilize them for link trades, or flat out building pushing a few etc links to a money site.

Those old blogspot links are from my 'initial' gold mine I found of blogs blogs back in 04, most are deleted/cancelled now by blogspot, but a few still remain and still point strong links to the sites (as shown by you finding it to begin with). Thumblogger and SensualWriter are 2 adult friendly services that do have very strong trust/weight associated with them, and are great targets for this.

The thing with the free blogs (I'll use thumblogger as an example) is the domains often have massive 'weight' to them, and you can instantly bring yourself into competitive terms riding on that weight/trust that the entire domain shares. There is also several directories ran by them that you can get listed in, and give yourself and the blogs an initial 'boost' of spidering and Page Rank. (usually pr1-3), this comes into play in the big picture as we are going to get an 'average return link' equal to our 'average feeder sites value'.

About webmasters and if they actually trade with free blogs? Obviously not all do, but most will and especially if that site appears to be a handwrote, regularly updated one, and having a splash of page rank shows that they are at least several months old, and have a handful of links pointed at them. I usually let my free blogs 'sit' for a month or two after submitting to a handful of select directories I like, I'll explain why a little better below.

I like to use this as a rough estimate when figuring feeders/hardlinks. When I'm thinking about how many feeders I'll need to build to push 400-500 links to a money site, I use 20 hardlink trades per year, per feeder site. Now naturally over the course of a year, some of those trades will die, some will be removed, so we do check them and police them to a certain degree, removing weaker/dead ones allows us more room for fresh trades.

When starting fresh, or brand new on a network, I will build out something along these lines (Im actually a fan of less is more, it has greater long term results then building en masse with lesser quality, but for all intensive purposes here we will use a round number to begin).

100 sites/domains/blogs used as feeder sites, this should equal out to roughly 20 inbound links each, per year. Resulting in 2000 inbound links per year to our money site. These sites should have minimum 3-5 unique posts (pages) each, and be highly focused. You want to cover a broad depth of niches with them so you have a site that every webmaster looking will want a link on. These feeders aren't about building to match our niche, but to offer up as many relevant niches to webmasters looking for links or trades with us.

Build out these 100 sites with unique content, and get some initial links going to them all. If you do not have other sites or places to get these initial links, use directories. These 100 sites basically 'seed' until first page rank update. There is a BIG reason why we let these stew, if we throw up 10 pages today, and try to get trades on them, our possible traders are seeing a Grey Pr and then also seeing a blank cache of the site, and lose interest right away.

If they 'stew' or 'seed' for a couple months, they will acquire some Page Rank *from the directories, we've 'created' PR/Juice for free from them), they will get cached and have a handful of cached pages. They will just plain be much more desirable as a link trade to users looking for them. This way a guy hits your feeders, sees a pr2, sees it well cached, pages in the index, and unique relevant content. You won't have to ask him, he will want a link on it himself and most likely request such.

While your 100 feeders are stewing, you build out 2-3 target url's focusing on keyterms you want, and begin regular, consistent updates on your money sites. For the 1-3 months it takes for you to get all your feeders built, submitted, cached and indexed you should be doing regular consistent updates on your money sites. And keep them as focused as you can. Keep them very targeted to your keyterm, they should only be about one thing, your keyterm. You want google to have no question that they should be listed in results for their surfers.

Once you've got your 100 feeders (lets call these party planners) indexed and 'known', and you've got your 2-3 money sites built and being updated, you can start actively hunting out link trades at the tune of 20 per feeder, per year. You will see you don't really need to 'limit' any of the trades on these, but going over 20-25 will get you substantially less requests every week on them.

So now these 100 sites are ready to get you linked up from 2,000 separate, individually owned websites and get these return links to your money site. Now if we go back and revisit the 'Fat Dicks Party' analogy, what we have effectively done (or trying to do) is bring in a whole bunch of outside influence to this party, and get our money sites whispered in Googles ear repeatedly (by separately run, independent websites not in anyway linked to us).

what a write up.... Question for you... are these 100 feeders, 2-3 money sites... targeting just one keyword or key phrase? If so have you built out networks like above for each keyphrase you go after?

Second question... How do you figure in sponsors to the feeders and money sites? Like what is %%% of ads per type of site, etc etc? Or are we soley focused on just building inbound links?

Money sites should be one term, and all content should evolve around it. It's quite easy to build a niche and keep it on topic, but while still taking care of the long tail terms at the same time. You build out a money site for 'HD Porn' and its quite easy to fill up and cover 'hd teen porn, hd blowjobs, hd anal movies' etc etc. But you want to focus that solely around one niche or theme, you want to be an authority on it.

Feeder sites is similar BUT we build out the 100 around as many different niches as we can. This is so when another webmaster is browsing your sites looking for links, for instance if he wants 'ebony porn' links, we have a few he will want links on (which gets us a link back to money site). IF we've done our job right, we've got 'ebony teen, black booty, black porn, big black cocks etc to offer him a 'niched link' on.


And the 2nd question about sponsors. While you are 'seeding' your feeders and waiting for them to get some initial spidering and Page Rank, you will notice (if you've built 100 feeders) that some of them actually will just 'take' in google, and you will then decide if you want to still offer links on them, or if you bounce them over to a 'semi money site' type list. The few sites that actually got some love and are getting sales, you just evaluate them as they become busier.

I do advertise the sponsors on the feeders, but the sole focus is NOT to sell, but to be quality enough to warrant other webmasters to request trades from me. The real money comes from putting your money site in the top 3 of serps for a term. So we are almost pitching webmasters good trades, instead of pitching solely to the surfer.

So generally, these feeders purpose is to trade. I've got many feeders (both freeblogs and sole domains) that just by fluke or luck of the draw, have floated up in results over the years, I just set them asside, stop getting links ON them, and start sending links TO them.

I would say you are good for a few sales off each feeder you do, if you have submitted it to directories, or linked it up from other places. If one gets lucky and bounces for a decent term, you can do a few a day off one.

Just to address that one on its own as well. No you don't need to do this for each keyterm.

If you build out 100 feeders for link purposes and do it right, and your money site ranks after 6-8 months, you still have several months of inbound links coming to you from these same feeders.

As long as we add a handful of feeders to seed every few months, we have a continual stream of incoming links from trades on them.

We basically set ourselves up for 'residual link requests' and start a cycle of XXX Monthly inbound links to point to a money site of our choosing.

When thunder-ball released a few years ago, I added 40-50 domains and took spots in serps like big dicks, blowjobs, classic porn, big ass, booty, squirting, and several other 'larger' volume (yet still targeted) with that small network of 50 feeders. I still have the sites ranked in more then half of those terms, but some of them just didn't pay enough to keep pursuing and pouring resources into, that's a whole other lesson in itself.

It's all about working smarter and getting the most out of your feeders. Most people can't get past the 'dont link to myself?' aspect and cannot figure out how not selling sponsors hard on feeders, and whoring out links to their own stuff, can make them money.

Thank you for the detailed response. Ive been using my whiteboard working on a small network map for future building here and your posts have added a ton to my plan. Thank you again. If you ever need anything hit me up. And yes I have signedup to linkspun. Great service!

Every weekend the main GFY Educational Series Thread is pinned. Sometimes we have bonus threads that get pinned overnight during the week, but the 'main' weekly post goes up on the weekends. Same thing we've been doing since we started this in January.

Is that sorted out enough for you? :)

John - this post is clearly terrific and I hope we hear from you again and can feature another article soon.

Just want to pop back in here and say that Linkspun is great. I finally got my site ready and made some contacts. I really like the way you can communicate with trade partners. Very smart system. Username 'highestdef' if anyone wants to setup a trade.

people still trade links with thumblogger blogs?

Hey Jdoughs... fantastic read my friend!!!!

good system. just need more people to sign up and start trading links now. do it. some good trades there.

curious does anyone know of anything like this for mainstream.

Thanks for the detailed responses to my questions. I will be applying your advice (as I've started to do already inside of Link Spun). I look forward to learning more in this thread. Thanks!

so what about building sites with morphed feeds, are they almost useless because SE see that it's kind of morphed and not really original UNIQUE content?

Awesome post! Thanks.

I do see some advantages in the SE traffic flow to feeders that use morphed feeds instead of static ones. None of them can even be compared to unique handwritten content though.

Thank you very much, it was my pleasure and helped remind me to get back to the basics. Maybe as a follow up I can do the other 3500 words I had to remove from this one as it was a little 'advanced' and didn't have the starter info as I've done here.. (lol)

Thumblogger.com is one of the top 1500-2000 sites on the internet, not sure how many other 'dominant' domains like this you can get links on, but its not something to blow off because of false assumptions of 'value or worth' to the links. There is very few of what I like to call 'super domains' in googles eyes that are adult, thumblogger is one of them. And quite possibly the ONLY one you can get links on/build pages on.

Thanks very much Mark, glad you enjoyed it!

Not really no, there is a few trade systems but all (to me) seem quite junky and whored out.

You are very welcome, good luck on the results, and I'll toss you a few trade requests this week to help spark it up.

I don't think they will be useless no. Basically if you are going to use rss content you want to focus LESS on uniquifying it, and more on becoming the authority for it. You can easily become the 'source' for content if you put your head (and links) into it. The advantage to building feeders with unique content is that you can add 3-4 posts/pages and have something unique, and finished, which will carry it for these purposes (webmasters will check, and 4-5 handwrote,unique pages outweighs 400 rss fed posts in most of their eyes).

I don't want to steer to far away from the topic of links and tools and branching into content and its importance is really a completely different (and large) topic to cover.

Absolutely :thumbsup

I was under the impression all GFY Edu series threads got stickied right away and you overlooked it for some reason. You have systems and procedures in place at GFY? Well there's a surprise, professionalism! :)

Most inrtersting thread I've read in week!! jdoughs is the man!

See if Seo Linkvine is still open to new members.

great read thanks!!

Some questions:

1)
Is 4-5 posts on a feeder site really enough? I thought Google would deem the site dead as it don't update.

2)
If you have 100 feeder sites, do you spread them out on several hosts, or can you use only one and spread them out over several IPs in different C classes?

3)
Registrars:
I'm considering testing the concept with 100 different feeder sites which each shall have their own domain.
What do you think about using the same registrar and use their privacy service?

4)
Statistics:
How do you track the traffic on all the feeder sites? Using the same google account and analytics for all the domains does not sound like a good idea to me.


5)
Templates: If we do 100 feeder sites, should we use different templates on the worlpress blogs?

Maybe we should pay you to consult us on this project :-)

On a side note: The things you ask about and want to do seem to be build feeders for the purpose of linking them to your own sites, if this is the case you will want different hosts, different c's, whois privacy and not use same analytics etcetc. I would recommend doing as jdoughs says though and simply trade from your feeders with outside sites. That will take care of all the hassle above.

Paging jdoughs.

Hey there, great sites you guys have I'll try to address each of your questions.

1. 4-5 posts is good for building the feeder site out. It's enough get it listed in your select directories as hand wrote blogs to help get them some initial spidering and page rank. If you are building out 100 sites, plan on 4-5 each to build them out, and then as PR and indexing starts to fall into place and they are complete, you can set up monthly updates on the sites you want.

Regular updates is not the end all be all. There is several 'informative, authoritative' sites that do not regularly update, and do just fine. To me, more important then regular updates is CONSISTENCY in the content, the updates, the link generation etc.

2. I do use a few different hosts, and have several IP's on each (few different c-classes on each as well) but I do NOT go through any extreme lengths to hide them. In this approach, we do not link ourselves up, or cross link any of the domains, and none of them have similar outbound link patterns, nor link to the same site. We don't need to 'pass the google checks' for ip,registrar, name servers etc.

This is what makes the strategy work so well and last so long, there is no footprints left to follow.

3. Same as above really, I use a few registrars and register domains at all of them, I do NOT use any extra privacy settings. If you do all these things that black hatters (or anyone trying to hide) do to 'hide' themselves you have to imagine that would be a dead giveaway that something is up with the domains.

4. I don't use google analytics, for any tracking on any of my sites. I will use server stats to track the traffic. Have also used PIWIK on a few and like it if server load isn't an issue on the feeder box.

5. Templates, yes indeed you want to use several, you don't want to have 25 identical sites for other webmasters to see when they check your list, or when you offer them a link trade. I usually don't like to use a theme more then 2-3 times on my own stuff, mostly out of 'creative habit' and I also like to 'change up' the way I post my text and images/videos.

Change it up, use different length blog posts, themes, layouts, approach, sales text etc. (100 sites with 5 posts, that each have exactly 200 words, linking to the same sponsor, with images hotlinked from same domain, well you get that picture..lol)

Exactly Nicky, you understand what I'm saying.

You don't need to go overboard hiding these from anyone, you aren't doing anything wrong or sketchy with them. This is not really black or white, its just common sense and smart application of it.

The links are all coming hand picked from webmasters you trade with and from unique IP's, nameservers, chucks of the web. You want to build quality sites and still do some due diligence on how they are built and hosted, and not put them all on 1 IP but not because they will fail google checks, but because other webmasters will see it and say "no thanks, I've already got a link on that IP/Network/etc".

Bump, we need more www.linkspun.com users. I sat up another 7 trades today :thumbsup