Thank you for the answers.

I forgot to add a question.

6)
What directories do you recommend to submit the feeders to?


Nicky, my intention is not to interlink the feeders or from the feeders to the money sites.

I think we will try the concept explained here and the ultimate goal is to get links to the review sites.

Here are a few more questions:

1) Do you recommend using .info, .us or .biz for these feeder sites? Are there any inherent negatives in the eyes of search engines, or webmasters for that matter, regarding these domains?

2) Is writing 4-5 bog posts and submitting to say 10 directories enough to actually get PR? While having the pages indexed is clearly important it still seems that PR is one of the big factors in attracting link trades and determining a site's importance/authority.

3) Will using Google Analytics negatively affect these sites or do you just prefer using server stats?

So far Link Spun webmasters have been very responsive. I hope this continues and many more webmasters join.

Thanks a lot for all of your advice.

Hello? Anyone there?

Hey sorry about not answering for some time. The directories you chose to submit to should be picked on a couple things, how active the categories are, how relevant it is, and how much weight you suspect to get from it.

If I posted the 8-10 I like to use for the most part they would become not so good very quickly.

The best answer is really to look around and pick out a handful of 10-12 and randomly submit to 8-9 of them. Just so the feeders/initial blogs aren't all linking to the exact same few places.

Hey, I wouldn't use .info's or .biz's, at least not solely, having a few tossed in the mix isn't bad as long as they aren't too spammy.

4-5 hand wrote posts and a handful of (good) directory submissions is enough to warrant some initial page rank, I have a few smaller ones that rank for small terms off of directory submits alone.

I use server stats, it may be old school or old fashioned to be paranoid about google and their practices but they are secretive about their own operations for a reason, I see no reason to give them my entire business plan through any of their tools, be it gmail, analytics, adwords/adsense or their doc service. Seems quite counter productive to tell the source of the traffic how you are going about getting it.

Thanks for all teh info! Really like these posts!

Thanks you guys are geniuses.

An Excellent Post Mr.Doughs!

I've been doing SE Campaigns for Adult Clients for a while so I thought it was about time to get a start here at GFY and say Hello Everyone! This thread seemed like a good place to start.


I would like to add my view on the Domain Trust / Domain Age areas - which have been a bullet point on Most SEO consultants top list for years. I would also point out that bullet points on SEOs lists age badly. 1 for example would be the KeyWord Meta Tag which has so little value we don't even put it on anymore ( well sometimes we do... but you get my drift ). But, some SEOs will still have you put that on TOP Priority!


Most SEOs associate Domain Trust with Domain Age. But let's look a little further into that. Look at how quickly TUBE sites took over and continue to dominate. Some are hardly 2 years old and did an Absolute VERTICAL on the traffic charts. So, the whole "Aged Domain Theory" is in the trash right there. The success of these often hated Tube Sites was caused by - The Popular Vote (and I'll get to that more later).


SEO Links:

I like to relate Links for SEO as to Club Fliers where as each Link Google detects is a flier inviting GoogleBot to a Night Club. In the traditional analogy Google decides which Club to go to based on how much it Trusts the person it got the Flier/Link from. But that traditional analogy is too human as it applies human limitations to the situation.

A human can only go to 1 or a few different places... where as GoogleBot can go to all of them (GoogleBot GETS Shit Faced Every NIGHT!!). Since GoogleBot can go to all of the parties and clubs... Why would it Matter how much it Trusts the person it got the Link/Club Flier from or how long it has know that person. GoogleBots Job is to find everything everywhere.

It is a FACT that GoogleBot follows every link no matter who it got it from. So Authority and/or Trust do not influence GoogleBot when it comes to that.


How much Relevant Value Google assigns to a Link and it's Anchor Text - IS where the origin Domain's Authority is factored in. But, that is only applied when an End User does a Google Search.

I think everyone knows that all searches (Google or not) are based on Relevance and Relevance ALONE. But, even here Authority and Trust are Not as influential as Most would have you believe.

For example. Lets say you have 100 of what people think are MEGA AUTHORITY DOMAINS that are as old as the internet. And they all link to porn.com with link text "Hot Girls" (and slight variations of course). Well, now we know where all the Hot Girls are at right?? We know for sure... LETS GO!!!!

But what happens when the End User/Web Surfer gets there... and it's all GAY Guys??


Now, we know that 100 Authority Domains would not make that kind of link mistake ... but just stick with me here for a moment. What I'm leading up to is what I see very few people talking about CLEARLY when it comes to SEO stuff. My people call it - The Popular Vote.

The Popular Vote (as we refer to it) - Has Dominating Control (about 93%) over your Search engine Rankings. In short ... the Popular Vote of Every Visitor To A Site.

This is a subject for a totally different post. But, so as to not leave you empty handed with just my theory thrown about. Let's pick on DMOZ for example (something my people have been mocking since it's inception).


When you do a Search on Google for "Cars". On 1 hand Google has the Link Vote from say 100 Authority Domains... and in the other hand Google Has The Popular Vote(The Vote of Millions of internet Surfers).

Which vote do you think is going to determine who comes up high on the SERPs??

Do you think the vote of 10,000 people at DMOZ (The Authority Domain) will out rank the vote of millions of users on the Net?

It goes deeper than this of course but this is all I have time for at the moment.



JR.McLaren

Very informative reading. Thanks for that.

As im a little new to this all ( understatement of the year i guess ), i am a little behind on the jargon.

'Money site' = the site that provides the link where ppl can sign up for a membership? Where you have the content you got as an affiliate?

To stay in the spirate of the article, i think i should use the following setup. ( pls correct me if im (dead) wrong ).

My money site will be a TGP site. From there i will provide links to the membership site.

I will have to create some feeders sites with a few good directory listings. The feeder sites should have original written content with posts and after initial setup be update on a regular basis. ( wich could be once or twice a month ).

The feeder sites are best used for link trading with other webmasters, who will send their traffic to your money site.

With this setup you can have all domains registered to the same company/person without having problems with google.

Anything i missed or any further suggestions?

Thanks for an awesome post J! While I'm at it, thanks for linkspun too :D I've made some awesome trades there both adult and mainstream.

When creating the feeder sites, at what point should you start putting links on them that point to your money site? Right away when you create them, or after you let them "stew" for a month or two?

also, what is a page rank update, do they occur at some kind of static intervals? If I create several feeder blogs on thumblogger, write 5 original, relevant posts, submit them each to adult blog directories and wait 1-2 months, can I really expect them to hit pr1 or 2?

thanks for the great post I have read it and re-read it several times there is so much valuable information here!

*edit* crap I forgot one thing - is it okay to create all the feeder sites under the same thumblogger account?

sorry to post again but it won't let me edit my prior post a second time, and I realized I forgot another 2 questions I have been mulling over...

1.) Does it matter if the theme of the 100 feeders are related to each other, or even the "money site" they all link to? ie could you have like a black teen girl feeder site and a latina blowjob feeder site and a bbw feeder site, and they all link to a handjob site which is your money site? (I am just using random examples for the sake of understanding the concept)

2.) You mentioned that you will succeed more when you realize that you shouldn't pollute your feeders with a ton of affiliate links. Should I not have ANY links to the affiliate pages on my feeder sites at all? Because you did mention that some of the feeder sites will generate the occasional sale...

thanks!!

Interesting read. Could you explain the value of bounce rate and time on page? Do these factors help determine if the search engine returned the correct results and help solidify or increase your ranking?

paging jdoughs =)

Sorry Relyx I just noticed the questions now, I'll answer these in a few hours later this morning after a couple coffees when I'm seeing straight.

I think you are on the right track for sure, and while it does make it look less like a structured plan when you get your inbound links like this, you still want to be careful, use a few dif registrars, hosts (if you can) and IP's, but don't stress about it, just be smart.

And about money sites, yes that is the end target, where you want to make your money from, you mention the tgp but then also mention a paysite ahead of it (if that paysite is yours, then that would be the real money site, with the tgp feeding that). If you do know the tgp game fairly well, you can build a monster and certainly consider it a money site.

Thanks very much Laura!

Using the same thumblogger account is fine, that won't matter at all. Page Rank updates (although the last one took a year) used to be done in fairly static intervals, it looks like they've shifted to more of an 'on the fly' routine.

I don't really link my feeder sites to my money site, if I built 50 feeders and linked them to myself I'd have 50 sites (from my own shit) linking into me. If I work the sites (have ads etc like normal) but don't link them to myself, and offer out/do link trades, I'll end up with 20 per each of those 50 which is 1,000 links (and from all over the web).

Thumblogger is just an example, many get hung up on the fact that I use it as an example, it is just that, a method, one way. It does have its benefits and weaknesses but that's entirely a separate discussion.

I would use different themes, you gain nothing by using the same one and it's just another thing that can give away that you are all of the same network. Plus traders looking at your sites will turn away if all 50 have same themes.

And I don't think the niche matching is as important, in fact, since we're generating links and link power, we want to spread out our niches and have better matches for trading partners. We may not have a BBW site, but dozens of guys may be looking for BBW links today/tomorrow, so we'll have what they want, which gets us a link back to the money site.

If building and just pushing all the juice to your main sites, and not trading, then you'll want to be fairly specific, but cover all facets of the niche. So if you got a BJ money site, build milf blowjobs, ebony blowjobs, hd blowjobs, etc. You can pretty much tie any 2 niches together and build sites for it. You can find BJ content from every niche site out there most likely if you look.


I think it's pretty evident that load times and bounce rate are a factor in todays algorythm, but it just fits in with the other hundreds of things they look at. I don't believe its as important as title tags or backlinks.

Great informative post
 

This was most informative. I wish I had read this before joining LinkSpun. My biggest complaint about LinkSpun was that there is no information I could find on how to use the site let alone strategies on how to get the best out of link trading. I'm afraid I made a bunch of embarrassing nubie mistakes. After reading this I am inspired to try again and get it done right this time.

Thanks for the Post!

JDough, thanks for sharing this information.

How many posts should each feeder site have? Should I keep updating the feeder sites?

Damn good thread! A lot of so-called seo experts should read it too!

update: I tried this out about 2 months ago, and made 15 feeder sites on thumblogger. I put a lot of time into doing each site right, each one has decent hand-written posts not spammy trash, and (in my opinion) good content (high quality images). I created about 5-7 posts on each site over a few weeks, and added each site to 8-10 adult blog directories (I changed up which directories I listed each site with, from a pool of about 20 directories, so my feeder sites don't all have the same links.)

So far, I have not seen 1 sale and I have not seen any of these sites hit pr1 so they are pretty much useless for bartering abc link trades at the moment. Traffic is pretty low. So, I don't know if too many people have done this and ruined it, or if it is just not that effective, or maybe it just takes a lot of time before they start to grow, but I just wanted to post my sobering results here and let people know this is not quite as easy as it sounds! Maybe they will pick up some steam in a month or two, I will come back here and post an update either way.

Very nice post. I am going to readi it now.

Wow, this post was amazing. I feel educated now. Thanks GFY.

New wordpress plugin for link trades
 

Hi all, This article inspired me to write a plugin for wordpress called LinkScene that many of you will find handy for managing link trades on your blogs. It is not yet registered with wordpress because I'd like to get some one other than myself to use it and give me some feedback.

Features:
Select external links or internal pages and posts to be your backlinks landing pages.
A widget displays traded links only on pages or posts you select.
Set the number of out going links on a page.
Each out going link displays only on the page or post chosen by you or your link partner
Verifies backlinks with a backlink checker
Sorts Links by ID, Name, or Rank
Automatically gets Google Page Rank for submitted backlinks page

You can find it here at linkscene.com

Thanks for writing it !

good job. very good article. very educational. hope you keep up the good job.

bump bump

Thanks for the article and for Linkspun. I use it every single day too

Thanks GOBS for Linkspun. I've been around for a little while, and I can't believe I've never run across it. (Or maybe I did back when I still drank, and couldn't figure it out. lol)
Anyway, read your post & signed up for Linkspun last night; I've done half a dozen trades in the 15 hours since - without really putting much effort into it. Thanks again!

Great tutorial! Very informative about hardlinking

Wow, this post was amazing. Very great tutorial. I'm here to learn and I found this tutorial very helpful.

Can you invite me to your party?

Very attractive opportunity .. Must try this one ...

gfelife is da best
 

gfelife is da best

I began back in 2004 and shortly afterward found a backdoor into yahoo search results, that initially got me focused on working search engines. Within a few weeks of getting my 'instant' search results with Yahoo search, I had already left my job and began building blogs (weblogs back then) and started to slowly build up a traffic base.

2-3 months after that initial burst from yahoo search, I stumbled on a way to harvest blogs that had been deleted (explained better here) and literally, accumulated several thousand Page Rank of unique sites to start taking over the world with. At the peak with less then a year in the business, and no more then 18 months after buying my first computer, I was pointing links up towards 1,000 new joins a month, with only $100-$120 in expenditures per month.gfelife is da best


I did everything by hand, and it was all about links, there was no scripts or tools that I knew of to use. I didn't trade links with webmasters, I didn't buy links, use directories, social sites, or any of the tools that we have available today to increase our link dynamics and footprints.

Now, today, we have several options, several different ways for us adult webmasters to generate links to our own sites. There are TENS OF THOUSANDS of websites in adult that are wishing they had a little more link power, wishing they had a few more contacts in a trade list, and wishing they were higher in search results. It is a harder go then it was many years ago, but that's just natural competition and industry evolution, fortunately for us, there are tools to help us along now.

So here we are, how to generate hardlinks and use strategy based linking tools.

S.E.O. and Hard Links

First off, we should quickly touch on importance of hardlinks to your search results, and just how do the search engines count or value links? A lot of people will tell you that they count them like votes, or consider them 'recommendations' but I have a cooler analogy, and it makes how Google sees and considers links, very simple to understand.



Now in that example the Fat Dicks site is LlajtamasiNews and the trusted sites (guys they go way back with) are sites like debauchery, jays-xxx-links and hoes.com. Real, actual trusted sites that should make a difference and have a long history of rankings and trust built up.

Now Google did not just hand out the rank for a few links on trusted sites. If they had 'walked into that party' and not heard a single blurb about Fat Dicks or LlajtamasiNews, they would never have given it full consideration. You want to be spread out across a variety of authoritative sites, newer sites, mid-range sites etc, just like it should look for any naturally growing site.

Authoritative? Trusted? Mid-range?

Can we cue the analogy maker again? Thanks!



Obviously #1 is your aged, trusted or authoritative domain. #2 is your newer site, but even if it?s perfect, it?s still not to be trusted yet, Google's gotten too many shitty deals from these sites in the past. And then lastly #3 is your lesser valued site. Your mid-range sites can be any combination of these, or in transition from one to the other.

You don't want to remove any of them from your arsenal, you want to use links from all of them to get the job done. Nobody just has 'trusted' sites linking to them, it would make sense that would set off a flag.

Mechanics, Fat Dick Parties, WTF?

Relating this to something simple, that we all know, makes it much easier to understand. You want to know exactly how I get top spots for search results? I go to those parties, and bring my own friends and mechanics (links).

Sounds nuts, but listen. There is 10k results in any given search at Google. So to be a contender all you need to do is be in those 10k results. Then it's a popularity contest. How many sites are going to lead Google to you, and tell them you are the fat dick guy? How can you get all these sites/guys to mention you?

Well for starters, never 'party' alone. If I'm packing up for the 'fat dicks' party I'm bringing 200 of my own friends (links). I'm not going to count on the fact that enough other sites have recommended me, because let?s be honest, it isn't happening. I'm going to strut my Fat Dick around show up with 200-400 maybe 600 of my own friends (links) at that 10k party.

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Thanks
 

Thanks for taking the time to share your experience.

Even with all the crap google keeps dishing out to us all and changes like panda and penguin it's nice to see there is still a lot to learn from a smart cookie even if it's two years old. Thanx Jdoughs!

thanks a lot for the nice article, some infos never expires

Bookmarked. Nice and thanks.

Thank you
 

Thank you, Jdoughs

Finally understood how Google works. Trying to optimize my site..

EXCELLENT Post from fellow Canadian! Good job, we are looking for trades gonna have to give LS a try

Excellent information. Thanks for sharing.

Great article!