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Shap 12-01-2010 01:18 PM

Wow Huge move for Porn.com. Thoughts?
 
Not sure if this has been mentioned here yet. I like to watch trends and study moves by other companies. I have to say I've seen this in the works and have thought a lot about it just haven't had the data or the balls to do it myself. It will be very interesting to see how this goes. Let me know your thoughts on it?

http://www.xbiz.com/news/127943
Porn.com Announces New Pricing Structure
LOS ANGELES ? Porn.com has announced its expanding its market share by focusing on technological quality and lower price-point marketing.

The company said the new price structure matches similar moves by mainstream media providers to a price less than $10 per month and ushers in a significant shift in marketing strategy.

"We have tested a variety of pricing structures and watched closely as many mainstream providers like Netflix and network television studios have moved in the same direction," said David K of Porn.com.

"The new lower prices appeal to a consumer market that knows it can obtain content illegally for free but hungers for higher quality at a reasonable price that doesn't detract form the overall viewing experience.

"Put simply, if a customer is regretting a purchase price while watching a video, they are unable to enjoy the video and unlikely to remain a customer. We want every Porn.com client to feel they are getting the best possible price on the most amazing content collection available anywhere online... because it's the truth."

The company said that full access to videos, pornstars and networked paysites is now priced at $9.95 per month.

The company added the collection includes exclusive content, multiple viewing formats, full download options and ActiveSync streaming technology that allows vieweres to get a fully-optimized video stream.

The new join-page pricing on Porn.com also includes monthly access without any rebills at a price point of $14.95.

candyflip 12-01-2010 01:19 PM

Already a thread on the main page discussing this.

DavieVegas 12-01-2010 01:21 PM

I think this is def a smart move....

epitome 12-01-2010 01:21 PM

Personally, I think they saw the thread discussing this the other day, thought brilliant idea and rushed out a press release today to make it look like they've been evaluating this for some time.

I bet it is a rash move.

MaDalton 12-01-2010 01:22 PM

www.Fundorado.de has become the biggest german porn site this way

Shap 12-01-2010 01:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by candyflip (Post 17741089)
Already a thread on the main page discussing this.

I searched for porn.com saw nothing so i posted. I don't read gfy so didn't know. My bad

Agent 488 12-01-2010 01:23 PM

looking at porn.com tour they don't promote new price at all and surfer wouldn't see price point until sign-up.

compare to http://www.netflix.ca/Default?autoRedirected=1

porn.com looks like generic porn site tour benefits not really spelled out.

Shap 12-01-2010 01:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MaDalton (Post 17741099)
www.Fundorado.de has become the biggest german porn site this way

REally? very interesting

Amputate Your Head 12-01-2010 01:25 PM

well it isn't new, that much is certain.

Adult.com did $9.95 sites a loooooooong time ago. :2 cents:

Grapesoda 12-01-2010 01:25 PM

wow 2 typos? unbeleivable... I make them all the time but not in electronic magazines

Serge Litehead 12-01-2010 01:27 PM

I wonder is that avail for affiliate promotion and if so on what terms with this new pricing point?

PR_Dave 12-01-2010 01:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by epitome (Post 17741098)
Personally, I think they saw the thread discussing this the other day, thought brilliant idea and rushed out a press release today to make it look like they've been evaluating this for some time.

I bet it is a rash move.

Actually this pricing has been live for over 45 days on the type in version of the tour.

We also have a very successful non-affiliate site: www.watchporn.com that we have been testing even longer.

Review sites like www.thebestporn.com have been using our $9.95 monthly option for YEARS.

Keep dragging your feet guys. It is almost 2011.

:pimp

Amputate Your Head 12-01-2010 01:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bm bradley (Post 17741111)
wow 2 typos? unbeleivable... I make them all the time but not in electronic magazines

there's a typo in your post about typos. :2 cents:

Roald 12-01-2010 01:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Amputate Your Head (Post 17741110)
well it isn't new, that much is certain.

Adult.com did $9.95 sites a loooooooong time ago. :2 cents:

yes but biggest diffrence is the quality in this case :2 cents:

Mutt 12-01-2010 01:32 PM

another nail in the coffin of the affiliate side of the industry.

i don't believe cutting prices in half or less will result in twice the sales.

i'd rather try a la carte pricing micro payments like itunes rather than lowering the monthly subscription price.

Grapesoda 12-01-2010 01:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Amputate Your Head (Post 17741117)
there's a typo in your post about typos. :2 cents:

spell check didn't pick it up AND I did state that i do 'produce' typos :thumbsup

Grapesoda 12-01-2010 01:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mutt (Post 17741132)
another nail in the coffin of the affiliate side of the industry.

i don't believe cutting prices in half or less will result in twice the sales.

i'd rather try a la carte pricing micro payments like itunes rather than lowering the monthly subscription price.

the issue with micro payments is the billing structure I think... after affiliates and payment processing etc... mainly payment processing I think

JFK 12-01-2010 01:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MaDalton (Post 17741099)
www.Fundorado.de has become the biggest german porn site this way

Fundorado Rocks:thumbsup:thumbsup

Altwebdesign 12-01-2010 01:38 PM

as long as they got the quality content!
seems like a good move though!

marcop 12-01-2010 01:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mutt (Post 17741132)
another nail in the coffin of the affiliate side of the industry.

i don't believe cutting prices in half or less will result in twice the sales.

i'd rather try a la carte pricing micro payments like itunes rather than lowering the monthly subscription price.

Presumably Porn.com has achieved economies of scale that allow them to price their content like this. As the press release says, they're looking for increased market share, and I think they'll achieve that not just through increased sales, but also by putting their competitors--the ones who can't compete with this pricing--out of business.

Ross 12-01-2010 01:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Roald (Post 17741123)
yes but biggest diffrence is the quality in this case :2 cents:

Just sent you an email buddy, lets have a chat on icq tomorrow once you get it :thumbsup

Shap 12-01-2010 01:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mutt (Post 17741132)
another nail in the coffin of the affiliate side of the industry.

i don't believe cutting prices in half or less will result in twice the sales.

i'd rather try a la carte pricing micro payments like itunes rather than lowering the monthly subscription price.

I don't know about that. I think you have to look at the world around us. Netflix is what $7.99? I personally believe the music industry and dvd industry fucked themselves by holding on to their high price points.

I love micro payments but the billing structure is a huge problem there.

Brujah 12-01-2010 01:44 PM

This really isn't anything like Netflix. Netflix isn't a producer of content and doesn't create anything exclusive. Netflix works for different reasons than a price point. It has an enormous catalog from many/most studios rather than a subset. You can use your account to stream to your computer, tivo, ipod/iphone, etc...

Netflix has an affiliate program too don't they?

Shap 12-01-2010 01:44 PM

Dave have you effectively changed all existing customers to the $9.95 price point? That's one thing I always think about when lowering price is what do you do with your loyal members. The right thing to do is charge the new set price.

Shap 12-01-2010 01:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brujah (Post 17741173)
This really isn't anything like Netflix. Netflix isn't a producer of content and doesn't create anything exclusive. Netflix works for different reasons than a price point. It has an enormous catalog from many/most studios rather than a subset. You can use your account to stream to your computer, tivo, ipod/iphone, etc...

You have to look at where people are spending their money for entertainment. It has NOTHING to do with comparing business models. I'm discussing this from the member point of view and their options when spending their hard earned money.

epitome 12-01-2010 01:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PR_Dave (Post 17741115)
Actually this pricing has been live for over 45 days on the type in version of the tour.

We also have a very successful non-affiliate site: www.watchporn.com that we have been testing even longer.

Review sites like www.thebestporn.com have been using our $9.95 monthly option for YEARS.

Keep dragging your feet guys. It is almost 2011.

:pimp

I didn't say it was a bad thing. I just thought it was funny that someone mentioned Netflix pricing yesterday or the day before and there was a release today. More than anything, I laughed to myself realizing its one way to be able to say "the first."

Glad you guys saw good results. I'm not digging up the thread, but I remember someone else saying they tried it and it didn't work for them, which kind of made me sad (not as an affiliate, but I'm convinced the model is eroding anyway and am already shifting from it) because I'd like to see it be successful.

This model, if widely adopted, will suck for affiliates, but it's their fault for relying on $35+ PPS without a contingency plan.

SwirlsGirl 12-01-2010 01:50 PM

great move, kudos

epitome 12-01-2010 01:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mutt (Post 17741132)
another nail in the coffin of the affiliate side of the industry.

After the last couple of years I don't think there has been any doubt it is going to disappear. The only thing that can happen these days is make it disappear a little sooner. Hopefully everybody that is serious about this biz has been preparing for its demise.

DamianJ 12-01-2010 01:53 PM

Netflix rebills for years and years and years.

Porn manages *about* 3 months, usually.

PR_Dave 12-01-2010 01:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mutt (Post 17741132)
i don't believe cutting prices in half or less will result in twice the sales.

It's not going to double your sales.

It will keep members forever provided your have more then what most paysites have: 20 videos and 20 photo sets.

BareBacked 12-01-2010 01:57 PM

Good for porn.com very bad for any affiliates who want to promote pimproll

Brujah 12-01-2010 01:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shap (Post 17741177)
You have to look at where people are spending their money for entertainment. It has NOTHING to do with comparing business models. I'm discussing this from the member point of view and their options when spending their hard earned money.

Understood. The reason I responded was I think a Netflix business model in other markets could work well. I don't know enough about how Netflix pays for licensing or royalties myself to know whether it's doable or not.

I think it's a good move. I'm not a high-pps chasing affiliate anyway. I'll take it if it's there, but I'm more interested in the bigger paychecks. Another example is SuicideGirls affiliate program. "join for $4/month"

sweetcuties 12-01-2010 01:59 PM

I've got a better idea... Why not just give members full access and pay them for joining :2 cents:

epitome 12-01-2010 02:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BareBacked (Post 17741211)
Good for porn.com very bad for any affiliates who want to promote pimproll

Well, in their defense they do have 11,782,953 other sites. :pimp

PR_Dave 12-01-2010 02:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BareBacked (Post 17741211)
Good for porn.com very bad for any affiliates who want to promote pimproll

Why? You can choose to promote this option or not. Or you can complain about conversions like everyone else.

andrej_NDC 12-01-2010 02:05 PM

The price might be ok, but they will lose all the rebills from people who forget to cancel or don't care. Which is pretty much most of the rebills nowadays. lol

BestXXXPorn 12-01-2010 02:10 PM

Lowering the cost of goods can sometimes have an opposite effect as the perceived value is less...

For example, when I was in high school I used to travel around the US selling anime VHS tapes at conventions... You could set your price at $10 a tape but people would walk right by to the $20 a tape table because they think they are higher quality just from the price point...

The same thing could happen here I think the only thing that would overcome the initial perceived value is to have super super high quality content with a fantastic presentation.

EDIT: The fact remains though that the price point is not the major barrier of entry for consumers in the online adult space... it's the part where they actually have to whip out their wallet, regardless of price.

sweetcuties 12-01-2010 02:17 PM

Despite them doing this, I'll never lower my prices... My sites are $29.95 and $24.95 and I have less than 75 girls :winkwink:

Shap 12-01-2010 02:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sweetcuties (Post 17741215)
I've got a better idea... Why not just give members full access and pay them for joining :2 cents:

That was pretty weak imo

Shap 12-01-2010 02:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by andrej_NDC (Post 17741235)
The price might be ok, but they will lose all the rebills from people who forget to cancel or don't care. Which is pretty much most of the rebills nowadays. lol

I doubt losing those rebills will be a greater lose versus the rebills gained.


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