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theking 12-13-2010 10:28 AM
The first Judicial shot was just fired
 
...across the bow of the health care bill. The core of the bill...is that everyone must buy private insurance....and this has been ruled to be unconstitutional.

Ultimately it will be up to the Supreme Court to decide...so this ruling is not of real import.

Tom_PM 12-13-2010 10:34 AM
Lawmakers mentioned when it passed that this would probably be going away (the requirement to buy in or be fined I mean).

mekent 12-13-2010 10:37 AM
It's not the first shot, it's the third...

"Judge Hudson is the third district court judge to reach a determination on the merits in one of the two dozen lawsuits filed against the health care law. The others — in Detroit and Lynchburg, Va. — have upheld the law. Lawyers on both sides said the appellate process could last another two years before the Supreme Court settles the dispute." NYTimes

Amputate Your Head 12-13-2010 10:39 AM
what's interesting is, if it's illegal to force people to buy health insurance or face fines, etc... then it should also be illegal to force people to buy auto insurance, or face fines, etc. :2 cents:

WarChild 12-13-2010 10:42 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Amputate Your Head (Post 17769977)
what's interesting is, if it's illegal to force people to buy health insurance or face fines, etc... then it should also be illegal to force people to buy auto insurance, or face fines, etc. :2 cents:
Not the same thing at all, Amp. Don't be silly.

96ukssob 12-13-2010 10:56 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Amputate Your Head (Post 17769977)
what's interesting is, if it's illegal to force people to buy health insurance or face fines, etc... then it should also be illegal to force people to buy auto insurance, or face fines, etc. :2 cents:
auto insurance is slightly different. if you hit me with your car you have to be able to pay my medial bills. if your sick, its your own problem.

however, i have a feeling that insurance is more being pushed to benefit hospitals, doctors and medical staff than the general public. I can't imagine how many people go into an ER and walk out with a $20k bill that they walk away from, versus if they had insurance a large portion would be paid.

Amputate Your Head 12-13-2010 10:58 AM
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Originally Posted by WarChild (Post 17769986)
Not the same thing at all, Amp. Don't be silly.
it is the same thing. It is the government forcing you to buy into the insurance system. Period.

theking 12-13-2010 11:00 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by mekent (Post 17769974)
It's not the first shot, it's the third...

"Judge Hudson is the third district court judge to reach a determination on the merits in one of the two dozen lawsuits filed against the health care law. The others ? in Detroit and Lynchburg, Va. ? have upheld the law. Lawyers on both sides said the appellate process could last another two years before the Supreme Court settles the dispute." NYTimes
No...it is the first shot...the other rulings were favorable.

marketsmart 12-13-2010 11:02 AM
the way i see it...

i have health insurance and so fuck everyone else...

let the uninsured just keep going to the ER for primary care or just let them die...

i side with the republicans on this issue.. if you dont have a good job and/or cant afford health care, then too fucking bad...

just don't raise my taxes....




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theking 12-13-2010 11:02 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Amputate Your Head (Post 17770031)
it is the same thing. It is the government forcing you to buy into the insurance system. Period.
It is not the same thing...because you are not required to buy insurance unless you drive and you are not forced to drive.

Agent 488 12-13-2010 11:03 AM
america judical system = hitler.

Amputate Your Head 12-13-2010 11:03 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by theking (Post 17770047)
It is not the same thing...because you are not required to buy insurance unless you drive and you are not forced to drive.
and with health care, you're not forced to buy in unless you're alive, and no one is forcing you to stay living.

Frasier 12-13-2010 11:08 AM
the 'car insurance' and the 'homeowners insurance' analogy are very poor, as both these acts require the VOLUNTARY purchase of a good.

Purchasing a car or taking out a mortgage loan is an OPTION in the USA. If you choose that optional purchase, then yes - you can be required to have insurance.

But you guys are overlooking a much better analogy in your effort to cry foul.

Income Taxes. Just like this mandatory healthcare purchase - every single american - from the time he/she is born is required to pay income taxes AND purchase healthcare insurance.

This is a much better analogy than insurance that comes with a voluntary purchase.

The Demon 12-13-2010 11:12 AM
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Originally Posted by Amputate Your Head (Post 17770031)
it is the same thing. It is the government forcing you to buy into the insurance system. Period.
Your inability to make logical distinctions makes me laugh.

The Demon 12-13-2010 11:13 AM
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Originally Posted by Agent 488 (Post 17770053)
america judical system = hitler.
This post right here explains why you do what you do for a living. Your stupidity knows no bounds.:winkwink:

IllTestYourGirls 12-13-2010 11:13 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Amputate Your Head (Post 17770031)
it is the same thing. It is the government forcing you to buy into the insurance system. Period.
I am not forced to by car insurance in my state.

Amputate Your Head 12-13-2010 11:13 AM
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Originally Posted by The Demon (Post 17770093)
Your inability to make logical distinctions makes me laugh.
your need to express faux superiority makes me laugh. :2 cents:

IllTestYourGirls 12-13-2010 11:15 AM
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Originally Posted by Amputate Your Head (Post 17770054)
and with health care, you're not forced to buy in unless you're alive, and no one is forcing you to stay living.
:1orglaugh Dude dont be silly. "The right to LIFE, liberty...."

The Demon 12-13-2010 11:17 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Amputate Your Head (Post 17770101)
your need to express faux superiority makes me laugh. :2 cents:
I don't need to express superiority over stupid human beings. But it's not shocking that you don't get it. After all, you think that because buying health care isn't required by law, auto insurance shouldn't either!:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

SuzzyQ 12-13-2010 11:20 AM
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Originally Posted by IllTestYourGirls (Post 17770098)
I am not forced to by car insurance in my state.
You are not forced to own a car or own a house. Obamacare forces you to buy insurance.
Sorry AMP, your argument does not work.

Amputate Your Head 12-13-2010 11:25 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by IllTestYourGirls (Post 17770098)
I am not forced to by car insurance in my state.
which helps to make my point. If forcing down our throats is such a wonderful idea, then why are there still states not participating.

Quote:
Originally Posted by IllTestYourGirls (Post 17770107)
:1orglaugh Dude dont be silly. "The right to LIFE, liberty...."
the "right" to it doesn't mean you're being forced. It means you're opting in.

Quote:
Originally Posted by The Demon (Post 17770123)
I don't need to express superiority over stupid human beings.
yes, you do. You do it every day here. It's laughable.

Quote:
Originally Posted by The Demon (Post 17770123)
But it's not shocking that you don't get it. After all, you think that because buying health care isn't required by law, auto insurance shouldn't either!:1orglaugh:1orglaugh
that's exactly right. It shouldn't be forced. That's my only point. Why you find that humorous is beyond me. I admit that much. But it doesn't change my opinion of it.


you realize that boat insurance is not required. Why not? Is that not a vehicle? What of other vehicles? Why aren't most recreational vehicles slapped with mandatory insurance? Is the risk for collisions not even greater?

Quote:
Originally Posted by SuzzyQ (Post 17770131)
You are not forced to own a car or own a house. Obamacare forces you to buy insurance.
Sorry AMP, your argument does not work.
as I said, you are not forced to continue living, nor are you forced to live in this country. :2 cents:

WarChild 12-13-2010 11:31 AM
Amp the key difference is that with auto insurance you need only buy it to exercise YOUR PRIVILEGE to drive. The reason you need to buy it, in most places anyways, is to protect MY RIGHTS. Specifically to guarantee that should you cause me harm that you can afford to compensate me properly.

The Health Insurance is different because it trying to force you to buy insurance in order to exercise YOUR RIGHTS. In this case the right to "Life".

If you really can't see the difference between the two .. Actually scratch that. You must be able to.

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kristin 12-13-2010 11:34 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by marketsmart (Post 17770043)
the way i see it...

i have health insurance and so fuck everyone else...

let the uninsured just keep going to the ER for primary care or just let them die...
You do realize that this hinders sick people who have insurance? Because there is no preventive care for those that are uninsured they wait until they get real sick and have to go to the ER. Then if you are there at the same time, sorry buddy, your butt may be waiting.

And they don't just die. Hospitals have to treat everyone the same, insurance or not. And your taxes keep going up because of the uninsured in the hospitals - someone has to pay for those bills.

A lot of people that have good jobs no longer have insurance. Many companies took that benefit away to save money.

PR_Glen 12-13-2010 11:36 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by marketsmart (Post 17770043)
the way i see it...

i have health insurance and so fuck everyone else...

let the uninsured just keep going to the ER for primary care or just let them die...

i side with the republicans on this issue.. if you dont have a good job and/or cant afford health care, then too fucking bad...

just don't raise my taxes....




.
I'm sorry I don't think either party is on the "fuck the poor" side to this argument... do you not have family members without health insurance? I sincerely doubt that you don't... so saying 'too fucking bad' says more about your grasp on the subject than anything else...

cherrylula 12-13-2010 11:37 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Amputate Your Head (Post 17770031)
it is the same thing. It is the government forcing you to buy into the insurance system. Period.
yeah but they'll say driving is a privilege, and since the roads are paved by cities if you want to drive on them you have to buy into their rules...

I hate that law.

WarChild 12-13-2010 11:38 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by kristin (Post 17770153)
You do realize that this hinders sick people who have insurance? Because there is no preventive care for those that are uninsured they wait until they get real sick and have to go to the ER. Then if you are there at the same time, sorry buddy, your butt may be waiting.

And they don't just die. Hospitals have to treat everyone the same, insurance or not. And your taxes keep going up because of the uninsured in the hospitals - someone has to pay for those bills.

A lot of people that have good jobs no longer have insurance. Many companies took that benefit away to save money.
Not to mention the one point that should pretty much end the discussion; The United States already spends more per capita on health care than most socialized medical systems.

You're already spending more than say Canada, per person, on healthcare yet you don't guarantee healthcare to all of your citizens. Crazy, isn't it?

theking 12-13-2010 11:40 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Amputate Your Head (Post 17770138)
which helps to make my point. If forcing down our throats is such a wonderful idea, then why are there still states not participating.



the "right" to it doesn't mean you're being forced. It means you're opting in.



yes, you do. You do it every day here. It's laughable.



that's exactly right. It shouldn't be forced. That's my only point. Why you find that humorous is beyond me. I admit that much. But it doesn't change my opinion of it.


you realize that boat insurance is not required. Why not? Is that not a vehicle? What of other vehicles? Why aren't most recreational vehicles slapped with mandatory insurance? Is the risk for collisions not even greater?



as I said, you are not forced to continue living, nor are you forced to live in this country. :2 cents:
Automobile liability insurance...has to do with the Commerce Clause of the Constitution and the Supreme Court has ruled that providing proof of liability falls within the Commerce clause...end of story.

You may not like it...and I may not like it...but you do not know the ins and outs of the Commerce Clause of the Constitution...and neither do I.

Amputate Your Head 12-13-2010 11:43 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by cherrylula (Post 17770165)
yeah but they'll say driving is a privilege, and since the roads are paved by cities if you want to drive on them you have to buy into their rules...

I hate that law.
as for the "privilege" argument, why isn't insurance forced for public transit? Everyone that rides BART or a city bus should have to pay insurance should they not? Public transit is not a right.

kristin 12-13-2010 11:44 AM
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Originally Posted by Amputate Your Head (Post 17770184)
Everyone that rides BART or a city bus should have to pay insurance should they not? Public transit is not a right.
I think they include that in the transportation's fare.

IllTestYourGirls 12-13-2010 11:44 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by PR_Glen (Post 17770159)
I'm sorry I don't think either party is on the "fuck the poor" side to this argument... do you not have family members without health insurance? I sincerely doubt that you don't... so saying 'too fucking bad' says more about your grasp on the subject than anything else...
So just force them to buy it and everything will be alright? When it has already been proven that the cost is going UP under the new law? :1orglaugh

Come on now.

WarChild 12-13-2010 11:45 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Amputate Your Head (Post 17770184)
as for the "privilege" argument, why isn't insurance forced for public transit? Everyone that rides BART or a city bus should have to pay insurance should they not? Public transit is not a right.
You're still missing the point. The bus IS insured. The only insurance you have to buy for automobiles is third party liability. You are protecting my rights with your insurance.

You have to be trolling. Come on.

The Demon 12-13-2010 11:47 AM
How does amputate still not get this?

Amputate Your Head 12-13-2010 11:52 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by WarChild (Post 17770195)
You're still missing the point. The bus IS insured. The only insurance you have to buy for automobiles is third party liability. You are protecting my rights with your insurance.

You have to be trolling. Come on.
if I bring my bicycle onto a BART train (bicycle also not insured), and the train stops suddenly and my handlebars get jammed into your liver to the point that you're hospitalized, who pays for that? The train? Me? You? What insurance policy covers that? Who's fault is it? Shouldn't passengers be required to carry personal liability insurance for things that happen ON the train / bus? Who is responsible?

kristin 12-13-2010 11:55 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Amputate Your Head (Post 17770228)
if I bring my bicycle onto a BART train (bicycle also not insured), and the train stops suddenly and my handlebars get jammed into your liver to the point that you're hospitalized, who pays for that? The train? Me? You? What insurance policy covers that? Who's fault is it? Shouldn't passengers be required to carry personal liability insurance for things that happen ON the train / bus? Who is responsible?
The train for slamming on its brakes. Now, had the person been riding the bike on the train, that might be a different story. ; )

Amputate Your Head 12-13-2010 11:58 AM
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Originally Posted by kristin (Post 17770234)
The train for slamming on its brakes. Now, had the person been riding the bike on the train, that might be a different story. ; )
okay, so if the train is liable, that makes everyone's fares go up to cover the costs... sort of like how the health care system is working right now. Is that fair? Shouldn't we mandate personal liability insurance to get those costs down? Sort of like how the health care system will be working soon?

SuckOnThis 12-13-2010 11:59 AM
But you are forced to pay into Social Security and Medicare, something that the average FOX News watching tea bagger cant live without.

Coup 12-13-2010 11:59 AM
too bad they didn't strike down that entire piece of shit

WarChild 12-13-2010 12:01 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Amputate Your Head (Post 17770243)
okay, so if the train is liable, that makes everyone's fares go up to cover the costs... sort of like how the health care system is working right now. Is that fair? Shouldn't we mandate personal liability insurance to get those costs down? Sort of like how the health care system will be working soon?
The train and the train station is most assuredly insured and that's factored in to the cost of the fare. Come on you're playing now.

Amputate Your Head 12-13-2010 12:02 PM
the insurance companies should be burned to the fucking ground.


that's all.


peace out. /

Barry-xlovecam 12-13-2010 12:04 PM
We can't afford health care for all so some will have to die in the street ? better hope you are not the one to die in the street ...

Some people are refused any health care insurance because they are too sick. They should die for society's sake ...

If you believe that you are an idiot.


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