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Ethersync 12-20-2010 06:52 PM

Scary: "All internet porn will be blocked to protect children, under UK government plan"
 
Think sales are bad now? :helpme

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All internet porn will be blocked to protect children, under UK government plan

THE UK Government is to combat the early sexualization of children by blocking internet pornography unless parents request it, it was revealed today.

The move is intended to ensure that children are not exposed to sex as a routine by-product of the internet. It follows warnings about the hidden damage being done to children by sex sites.

The biggest broadband providers, including BT, Virgin Media and TalkTalk, are being called to a meeting next month by Ed Vaizey, the communications minister, and will be asked to change how pornography gets into homes.
Instead of using parental controls to stop access to pornography - so-called "opting out" - the tap will be turned off at source. Adults will then have to "opt in."

The new initiative is in advance of the imminent convergence of the internet and television on one large screen in the living room.

It follows the success of an operation by most British internet service providers (ISPs) to prevent people inadvertently viewing child porn websites. Ministers want companies to use similar technology to shut out adult pornography from children. Pornography sites will be blocked at source unless people specifically ask to view them.

TalkTalk, which includes Tiscali and the British version of Aol.com, is already introducing a new free service early next year called "bright feed," which allows people to control the internet so that all devices are automatically covered without the need to set up individual controls.

Homeowners can either specify which adult sites they want to receive or put a cinema-style classification on their feed to restrict what is received according to age ranges, such as U, 12 or 18. A survey by Psychologies magazine this summer found that one in three children aged 10 in Britain had viewed pornography on the net.

Mr Vaizey said: "This is a very serious matter. I think it is very important that it's the ISPs that come up with solutions to protect children.
"I'm hoping they will get their acts together so we don't have to legislate, but we are keeping an eye on the situation and we will have a new communications bill in the next couple of years."

Claire Perry, the Tory MP for Devizes and a keen lobbyist for more restrictions, said: "Unless we show leadership, the internet industry is not going to self-regulate. The minister has said he will get the ISPs together and say, 'Either you clean out your stables or we are going to do it for you'."

"There is this very uneasy sense for parents of children that we do not have to tolerate this Wild West approach. We are not coming at this from an anti-porn perspective. We just want to make sure our children aren't stumbling across things we don't want them to see."

Previously the Internet Services Providers' Association (ISPA) has told MPs that such a blanket ban would be expensive and technically difficult to operate.

But Miranda Suit, co-founder of the charity Safermedia, which held a conference on internet porn at the Commons last month, said: "Technically we know it can be done because the ISPs are already removing child porn after the government put pressure on them.

"In the past, internet porn was regarded as a moral issue or a matter of taste. Now it has become a mental health issue because we now know the damage it is causing. We are seeing perverse sexual behavior among children. Legislation is both justifiable and feasible."

She quoted the example of two underage brothers sentenced to at least five years' detention this year for a sadistic sex attack on two other boys in South Yorkshire. The brothers were said to have had a "toxic" home life where they were exposed to pornography.

This weekend some ISPs appeared ready to introduce an "opt in" clause voluntarily. Andrew Heaney, executive director of strategy and regulation for TalkTalk, said: "Our objective was not to do what the politicians want us to do but to do what was right by our customers.

"If other companies aren't going to do it of their own volition, then maybe they should be leant on. Legislation is a sledgehammer but it could work."

A spokeswoman for Virgin Media said: "We already have an opt-in approach on mobiles. We've taken this approach as mobiles are taken out of the home - and kept in a pocket - whereas parents can control what happens within the home and online "We're able to block sites, so it would be possible to do the same on the internet. It is just about finding the right approach."

A spokesman for BT, which has a "clean feed" system to block access to illegal sites, said: "We do what we can to protect children."
The ISPA did not return calls to London's Sunday Times.
http://www.news.com.au/breaking-news...-1225973481287

Barefootsies 12-20-2010 06:59 PM

Oh shit, no more pornbeer!
:Oh crap

TeenCat 12-20-2010 07:03 PM

it is very serious problems

Agent 488 12-20-2010 07:08 PM

redirect all uk traffic to teeth whiteners and dental products.

adapt or die.

Cyber Fucker 12-20-2010 07:08 PM

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BlackCrayon 12-20-2010 07:13 PM

why has britain become such a big brother nanny state?

Yanks_Todd 12-20-2010 09:05 PM

Thank god I finally stopped selling to children. Their quarters were really weighing down the ole merchant account anyway.

JD 12-20-2010 09:59 PM

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Mr Vaizey said: "This is a very serious matter. I think it is very important that it's the ISPs that come up with solutions to protect children
How about parents stop using the computer, tv, etc as a babysitter instead of fucking with perfectly LEGAL web content.

webgurl 12-21-2010 02:02 AM

this is friggen stupid in so many direction and this is not news it has been tried before 2cents

Angry Jew Cat - Banned for Life 12-21-2010 02:17 AM

Is it really that hard for people setting up their internet to ask their ISP "Oh hey, don't turn on the adult block, ok thnx" or to call and ask "Could you turn off my adult content block?" It doesn't sound like they are censoring anything really, just restricting it's access to those of legal age. I don't see any mention of them charging for access, or restricting use. It's essentially like setting up the parental restrictions on your television. Seems to me like they're looking for a solution to keep kids away from hardcore porn. As long as thats what it sticks to, I don't see any issue with it...

I'm all for the support free speech and so forth, but this one seems like kind of a stupid argument to me. Why would you even argue something that keeps porn out of the hands of children? The fall back onto "it's parent's responsibility, yadda yadda" STFU. You're putting the content out there, so you shoulder some of the responsibility too. You can't just throw a bunch of shit out there and then deny any responsibility for it.

It's a little like saying "don't blame the drug dealer, it's the parents responsibility to keep his kid of meth". If anything you should NOT want kids on your sites. All they're doing is burning up your bandwidth without offering a potential sale. Adults who want adult content will simply have it unlocked.

I stand by my opinion that if anything this will help sales. When do most people learn to steal free porn online? Before they're of legal age. Restrict their supply of free internet porn until they are of legal age to get their own connection and I almost guarantee you see a rise in sales from the younger generation, without them having that few years of learning to steal all the porn they want when they can't legally purchase. Sure, you'll still have a handful of tech savvy kids who find a way to get a little bit of free porn, but it wouldn't be the god damn free for all it is now.

raven1083 12-21-2010 03:02 AM

huh!! that' bad :(

NewNick 12-21-2010 03:17 AM

Got to agree with Cat.

The status quo is too much unrestricted supply of free porn with no age veryfication whatsoever. = no sales.

Restrict the supply and demand (and price) will rise.

The argument that the isp'd are unable to do this is also nonsense. They are perfectly able to do this.

u-Bob 12-21-2010 03:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BlackCrayon (Post 17788276)
why has britain become such a big brother nanny state?

because the people let the state take over...
All in the name of redistributing wealth... in the name of safety... in the name of the environment ... in the name of protection the children... in the name of solidarity... in the name of fighting terrorism...

quote of the day:
Experience should teach us to be most on our guard to protect liberty when the Government's purposes are beneficent. Men born to freedom are naturally alert to repel invasion of their liberty by evil minded rulers. The greatest dangers to liberty lurk in insidious encroachment by men of zeal, well meaning but without understanding.
-- Louis Brandeis, in Olmstead v. United States (1928)

Davy 12-21-2010 03:39 AM

It will be interesting to see what the world will look like in 50 years.
There will certainly be an underground movement forming by then.

u-Bob 12-21-2010 03:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Davy (Post 17789506)
It will be interesting to see what the world will look like in 50 years.
There will certainly be an underground movement forming by then.

Like Ludwig von Mises said, tyrannical rulers or governments are eventually always overthrown by the people.

Angry Jew Cat - Banned for Life 12-21-2010 03:46 AM

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Originally Posted by u-Bob (Post 17789510)
Like Ludwig von Mises said, tyrannical rulers or governments are eventually always overthrown by the people.

The division of power between the people and the ruling class has never been this far out of balance in all of history. A couple hundred years ago, the people and the government came to the battlegrounds with the same firepower. It was a matter of who had the most muskets, swords, and bodies to throw at the enemy. Nowadays that is all done for. You're not going to find the people's army with RF controlled smart ammunition, f22 raptors, spy satellites, and the ability to tap the entire communications network, etc etc.

The same technology that is blowing up little brown kids all over the world, works just as well for blowing up domestic citizens on their home soil if need be...

Coles Notes: The people are fucked. :2 cents:

u-Bob 12-21-2010 03:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Angry Jew Cat (Post 17789521)
The division of power between the people and the ruling class has never been this far out of balance in all of history. A couple hundred years ago, the people and the government came to the battlegrounds with the same firepower. It was a matter of who had the most muskets, swords, and bodies to throw at the enemy. Nowadays that is all done for. You're not going to find the people's army with RF controlled smart ammunition, f22 raptors, spy satellites, and the ability to tap the entire communications network, etc etc.


Coles Notes: The people are fucked. :2 cents:

Human creativity will find a way....

If they tap the entire com network, stop using it...

Zorgman 12-21-2010 04:32 AM

Australia is next in line except no opt-out option.

GayContentWriter 12-21-2010 05:44 AM

This is what REALLY annoys me:

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Claire Perry, the Tory MP for Devizes and a keen lobbyist for more restrictions, said: "Unless we show leadership, the internet industry is not going to self-regulate. The minister has said he will get the ISPs together and say, 'Either you clean out your stables or we are going to do it for you'."

"There is this very uneasy sense for parents of children that we do not have to tolerate this Wild West approach. We are not coming at this from an anti-porn perspective. We just want to make sure our children aren't stumbling across things we don't want them to see."
How about parents take responsibility for raising their own children and stop demanding the country do it for them!

How dare they limit my personal freedoms to "possibly" prevent their child from viewing something they shouldn't? If you don't want your child viewing porn, make the protections opt-in, or install any one of the many programs out there. Or how about taking that PC out of their room?

Seriously, this makes me absolutely furious!

I SHOULD NOT BE ASKED TO CHANGE MY LIFE TO DO YOUR PARENTING FOR YOU! :mad:

Angry Jew Cat - Banned for Life 12-21-2010 06:26 AM

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Originally Posted by GayContentWriter (Post 17789653)
I SHOULD NOT BE ASKED TO CHANGE MY LIFE TO DO YOUR PARENTING FOR YOU! :mad:

BUT PARENTS SHOULD CHANGE THEIR LIVES TO ACCOMMODATE YOURS???

Silly faggot...

Why is it that the parents should be 100% responsible for guarding their children from the content YOU are flooding the internet with? It's your content, man the fuck up and take some responsibility for your actions. The bunch of you screaming for parents to have to deal with this are as guilty for displacing responsibility as bad parents are. How many of you don't even fly an 18+ adult warning on your sites? Let alone any type of gateway? Offer full nudity and hardcore penetration right on the tour? Parents should have to take time out their already crammed schedules to constantly monitor their kids computer use, because YOU are pumping porn across the net to the masses?

You scream out against this censorship, yet you do nothing regulate or stop children from accessing your content yourselves? You call for someone else to take responsibility, yet you take none yourselves. Like it or not, you're a part of the situation too. This industry is reckless and irresponsible as fuck. It can't manage or regulate itself, and that fact has become the cornerstone for it's own failure.

Beyond that, it's the point on which the government will pass actual censors that do encroach upon freedom of speech. The situation in Australia, is much more dire than this. That is ACTUAL censorship. This is nothing more than enforcing parental ratings. if the industry could manage even a slight bit of common sense and do something to regulate itself a, you wouldn't be seeing shit like this.

A bunch of irresponsible pornographers, yelling at parents for being irresponsible. Har har har.... :error

Coup 12-21-2010 06:37 AM

wanna know why governments are allowed to do shit like this?

Here's a dirty little secret that should be obvious to everyone.

PEOPLE LOVE AUTHORITY.

if they didn't many more people would be seriously advocating to dismantle it.

Angry Jew Cat - Banned for Life 12-21-2010 07:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Coup (Post 17789714)
wanna know why governments are allowed to do shit like this?

Here's a dirty little secret that should be obvious to everyone.

PEOPLE LOVE AUTHORITY.

if they didn't many more people would be seriously advocating to dismantle it.

Masochists, the lot of 'em. :1orglaugh

Doctor Dre 12-21-2010 08:07 AM

Frankly every kid of our generation is growing up watching porn... even the hard shit is out there in high quality at the click of a button. Was bound to happen if this industry dosen't start self-regulating.

As far as free speach is concerned, the adult industry is the weakest link, who knows what it will be in the end.

tony286 12-21-2010 08:53 AM

I remember a senate hearimg about 5 yrs ago. A senator told a porn industry lawyer in a hearing. Your industry better start self regulating or we will do it for you. Porn was never meant to be out in the open in peoples faces. For years it survived because it was sold behind blackened windows or under the counter and good luck to get even a glimpse of it if you were under 18.

Paul Markham 12-21-2010 09:15 AM

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Originally Posted by GayContentWriter (Post 17789653)
This is what REALLY annoys me:

How about parents take responsibility for raising their own children and stop demanding the country do it for them!

How dare they limit my personal freedoms to "possibly" prevent their child from viewing something they shouldn't? If you don't want your child viewing porn, make the protections opt-in, or install any one of the many programs out there. Or how about taking that PC out of their room?

Seriously, this makes me absolutely furious!

I SHOULD NOT BE ASKED TO CHANGE MY LIFE TO DO YOUR PARENTING FOR YOU! :mad:

Bollox, total complete bollox.

I don't want my 9 year old to stumble across pictures of your boyfriend fucking you up the ass, or him coming all over your face.

I don't want her stumbling across a picture of Britney Spears showing her pussy either as she searches for pictures of her.

It's the same as saying I don't want her moan down by a drunken driver IMO.

Yes I take responsibility and have software on her computer, like I take responsibility in teaching her how to cross the road. But I expect my Government to also share in the responsibility. By making it harder for her to find porn or get knocked down by a drunk.

I don't expect either measures to be 101%. But I expect Governments to try to help.

All you're really interested in is it might harm your income.

As for your income. Imagine a world where there's no porn on the Internet. :thumbsup :thumbsup :thumbsup

For the business that would be the greatest thing ever. It would turn the clock back to 1995. Even better than pre 1995. It would be the biggest boom time for the porn industry ever. People would have to go to a shop to buy porn.

Are youe worried you couldn't make a living without the Adult Internet? Adapt or DIE!!!

Paul Markham 12-21-2010 09:17 AM

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Originally Posted by tony286 (Post 17789972)
I remember a senate hearimg about 5 yrs ago. A senator told a porn industry lawyer in a hearing. Your industry better start self regulating or we will do it for you. Porn was never meant to be out in the open in peoples faces. For years it survived because it was sold behind blackened windows or under the counter and good luck to get even a glimpse of it if you were under 18.

Governments will wake up to the fact that the Internet has to be controlled. Too much money not going into their coffers is just one reason.

CrkMStanz 12-21-2010 10:40 AM

Angry Jew Cat is serving up the wisdom

:thumbsup

.

dyna mo 12-21-2010 10:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tony286 (Post 17789972)
I remember a senate hearimg about 5 yrs ago. A senator told a porn industry lawyer in a hearing. Your industry better start self regulating or we will do it for you. Porn was never meant to be out in the open in peoples faces. For years it survived because it was sold behind blackened windows or under the counter and good luck to get even a glimpse of it if you were under 18.

exactly what i was thinking.

Amputate Your Head 12-21-2010 10:52 AM

welcome to the global police state. :2 cents:

Angry Jew Cat - Banned for Life 12-21-2010 11:01 AM

It took me 2 clicks from searching "porn" on google to land on this...

http://video.xnxx.com/video20102/fisting_midget

No 18+ warnings to be seen anywhere. No gateway. No attempt to verify age.

45.5 million estimated global searches daily for "porn" on Google alone. How many of those very general "porn" searches do you think are curious teens, or preteens even? Curious kids who have a rough idea what porn is, know it is on the internet, and know how to search the net.

One curious search and your little angel is watching a midget with a buzz cut take two cocks while she fists some worn out old whore. Decent quality video, streams fast, nothing stopping them. All in a span of about 20 seconds...

Those of you who don't see some issue with that have spent far too much time jacking off and not enough thinking. And laying all the blame on the parents is one cheap fucking cop out on your part...

In an effort to stay competitive and increase sales, and eliminate the risk of including one extra click between a simple search and this http://serious-films.com/. The industry couldn't help itself and flooded the net with "sample" content. Free porn everywhere online now. People throw numbers around like 300 million+ indexed pages of pornography in the search engines?

The internet has become a massive part of our lives, web enabled fucking everything. It's this type of blatant in your face waving it in the wind shit that is bringing this on to the industry. It can't regulate itself and in a long series of cheap ditch efforts to outdo the competition for traffic, and then dwindling sales, everyone has pushed this to the point of implosion.

I was definitely not the first to take the side of censorship in this argument. I first saw someone bring up the point here a few moths back. Whoever it was, I agree 100% with them. It may have even bee Markham. But somewhere along the line, the porn overload of the internet, killed the tease factor. When you go to the dirty magazine rack at the gas station, you don't see midgets getting fisted within 20 seconds of peaking at the covers. You don't even see a nipple. Before the internet, people bought porn because they fed into the tease factor. There is no tease now, you can find whatever you want instantly...

So why do you need to pay for that?

Personally I say censor the ever living FUCK out online porn. Make it so anything so much as a bare fucking nipple outside of an age verified area is illegal. You want to see the days when porn sold itself come back? That's how you'll get it.

The porn industry is screaming for freedom of speech and against censorship. Hell, the porn industry should be lobbying the government FOR censorship... :2 cents:

Angry Jew Cat - Banned for Life 12-21-2010 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Amputate Your Head (Post 17790281)
welcome to the global police state. :2 cents:

Hate to break away from the grain of my general fuck-the-man attitude, but this is a point I agree on. I don't see anyone there saying that you can't make or sell porn, just that you can't openly wave it in the faces of the underage. Consider the implications of this beyond the dark apocalypse...

Amputate Your Head 12-21-2010 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Angry Jew Cat (Post 17790326)
Hate to break away from the grain of my general fuck-the-man attitude, but this is a point I agree on. I don't see anyone there saying that you can't make or sell porn, just that you can't openly wave it in the faces of the underage. Consider the implications of this beyond the dark apocalypse...

well to me the implications = a system of control. (censorship)

once this one is in place, it will be very easy to censor everything else they choose.

to me, that is the bigger issue with this. Not the loss of a few sales.

Agent 488 12-21-2010 11:09 AM

kids shouldn't be on the internet anyway without parent's knowing what they are doing.

get real. facebook and myspace are more dangerous to children as they will come across pervs, post racy pics etc.

i came across shocking porn shit as a kid as well. big deal.

Agent 488 12-21-2010 11:11 AM

if seeing as crazy porn video has traumatized you maybe should pack it in because if you can't handle that you are not going to reality.

it also plays into the christian body and pleasure hating bias in our society where one has to be blocked from seeing a boob but can hack bodies all day in violent video games. if you think that is normal you need some self-healing and self-knowledge.

u-Bob 12-21-2010 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Amputate Your Head (Post 17790336)
well to me the implications = a system of control. (censorship)

once this one is in place, it will be very easy to censor everything else they choose.

to me, that is the bigger issue with this. Not the loss of a few sales.

q f t

GregE 12-21-2010 11:33 AM

And to think...

England was once ruled by stout hearted men who feared nothing and presided over an empire upon which the sun never set.

And now...

Hand wringing old ladies who tremble at the thought of naughty pictures on the interweb have inherited the realm.

What went wrong???

nikki99 12-21-2010 11:36 AM

this will be not good

pornguy 12-21-2010 11:41 AM

Just remember one thing. To have to ASK to have porn allowed is to admit that they look at porn.

czarina 12-21-2010 11:44 AM

now that is VERY scary!

GregE 12-21-2010 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by pornguy (Post 17790445)
Just remember one thing. To have to ASK to have porn allowed is to admit that they look at porn.

And you can bet your bippy that one way or another wifey will learn of such when she sees the monthly statement.

That is, after all, the clear intent of this silly law.


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