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MediaGuy 08-20-2011 09:06 AM

Who What Where When Why: Official WTC 7 Destruction Makes No Sense
 


Forget getting into who did what - why is this aspect completely ignored? There's no back up evidence for this building collapsing because of damage or carpet fires... but there is other evidence not addressed... including evidence the government (NIST) admits but doesn't follow up on (freefall for example).

L-Pink 08-20-2011 09:18 AM

Until #7 is adequately explained I view the entire 9/11 episode with suspicion.


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porno jew 08-20-2011 09:19 AM

it has been explained ad nauseum, but those who just search out youtube videos to buffer their preconceptions will never see that.

Failed 08-20-2011 09:22 AM

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Originally Posted by porno jew (Post 18368262)
it has been explained ad nauseum, but those who just search out youtube videos to buffer their preconceptions will never see that.

Post the explanation.

MrMaxwell 08-20-2011 09:22 AM

The time for debate has long passed.
Or to put it into GFY Speak "Time for teh debating has past long."

MediaGuy 08-20-2011 09:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by porno jew (Post 18368262)
it has been explained ad nauseum, but those who just search out youtube videos to buffer their preconceptions will never see that.

Oh no no no it has NOT been explained - not in the very least.

Show me.

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WarChild 08-20-2011 09:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MediaGuy (Post 18368235)


Forget getting into who did what - why is this aspect completely ignored? There's no back up evidence for this building collapsing because of damage or carpet fires... but there is other evidence not addressed... including evidence the government (NIST) admits but doesn't follow up on (freefall for example).

You might start by actually reading the NIST report, because it absolutely does NOT say the building fell at freefall speed.

As for a the very few vocal minority of Engineers et all saying it wasn't explained, you have to dismiss the vast majority that don't agree with that position.

I'm not going to argue with you about it there's no sense. Believe what you want, it really makes no difference.

MrCain 08-20-2011 09:59 AM

I always thought those 911truthers were crazy until I started reading up on building 7.

ottopottomouse 08-20-2011 10:06 AM

Worse than arguing about religion.

MediaGuy 08-20-2011 10:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MrCain (Post 18368321)
I always thought those 911truthers were crazy until I started reading up on building 7.

Unbelievably, so did Geraldo Rivera...


:D

porno jew 08-20-2011 10:14 AM

google it. i'm not your bitch. plenty of debunking sites out there. of course you wont read them as the are just cia front operations.

seeandsee 08-20-2011 10:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by porno jew (Post 18368353)
google it. i'm not your bitch. plenty of debunking sites out there. of course you wont read them as the are just cia front operations.

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh then fucking post your explanation, if you already know it, dont go now, post it!

Failed 08-20-2011 10:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by porno jew (Post 18368353)
google it. i'm not your bitch. plenty of debunking sites out there. of course you wont read them as the are just cia front operations.

"I'm right because I say so. I won't post proof. Prove me wrong."

I like your argument sir :thumbsup

MediaGuy 08-20-2011 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by WarChild (Post 18368289)
You might start by actually reading the NIST report, because it absolutely does NOT say the building fell at freefall speed.

You might have read one of the NIST reports, whose version of events changed a few times btw - but apparently you didn't read the final report - which was prompted by NIST frontman Shyan Sunder being publically confronted by a high school physics teacher on the matter.

Final Report:
http://www.nist.gov/customcf/get_pdf.cfm?pub_id=861610
Goto page 45

NIST announces stage 2 as gravitational acceleration. It's couched in all this sciencespeak so they don't have to make any conclusions from the fact, but there it is.

On http://www.nist.gov/public_affairs/f..._qa_082108.cfm NIST defines or "simplifies" gravitional acceleration as "free fall".

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Originally Posted by WarChild (Post 18368289)
As for a the very few vocal minority of Engineers et all saying it wasn't explained, you have to dismiss the vast majority that don't agree with that position.

Problem is that the majority of these people have simply not looked at the evidence, from not believing the possibility.

Most of those who are vocal in demanding at least an investigation (which was never actually conductied) were once in denial until they were presented with the facts.

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Originally Posted by WarChild (Post 18368289)
I'm not going to argue with you about it there's no sense. Believe what you want, it really makes no difference.

You can't really believe it makes no difference whether the building/s was/were destroyed "naturally" or if they were demolished...

:D

WarChild 08-20-2011 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by MediaGuy (Post 18368385)
You might have read one of the NIST reports, whose version of events changed a few times btw - but apparently you didn't read the final report - which was prompted by NIST frontman Shyan Sunder being publically confronted by a high school physics teacher on the matter.

Final Report:
http://www.nist.gov/customcf/get_pdf.cfm?pub_id=861610
Goto page 45

NIST announces stage 2 as gravitational acceleration. It's couched in all this sciencespeak so they don't have to make any conclusions from the fact, but there it is.

On http://www.nist.gov/public_affairs/f..._qa_082108.cfm NIST defines or "simplifies" gravitional acceleration as "free fall".



Problem is that the majority of these people have simply not looked at the evidence, from not believing the possibility.

Most of those who are vocal in demanding at least an investigation (which was never actually conductied) were once in denial until they were presented with the facts.



You can't really believe it makes no difference whether the building/s was/were destroyed "naturally" or if they were demolished...

:D

It's right there on the page you quoted. You can't just take one stage of the building falling and ignore the remaining two.

Quote:

The analyses of the video (both the estimation of the instant the roofline began to descend and the calculated velocity and acceleration of a point on the roofline) revealed three distinct stages characterizing the 5.4 seconds of collapse:

?Stage 1 (0 to 1.75 seconds): acceleration less than that of gravity (i.e., slower than free fall).
?Stage 2 (1.75 to 4.0 seconds): gravitational acceleration (free fall)
?Stage 3 (4.0 to 5.4 seconds): decreased acceleration, again less than that of gravity

This analysis showed that the 40 percent longer descent time?compared to the 3.9 second free fall time?was due primarily to Stage 1, which corresponded to the buckling of the exterior columns in the lower stories of the north face. During Stage 2, the north face descended essentially in free fall, indicating negligible support from the structure below. This is consistent with the structural analysis model which showed the exterior columns buckling and losing their capacity to support the loads from the structure above. In Stage 3, the acceleration decreased as the upper portion of the north face encountered increased resistance from the collapsed structure and the debris pile below.
The building did not fall at free fall speeds. It fell 40% slower.

MediaGuy 08-20-2011 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by WarChild (Post 18368400)
It's right there on the page you quoted. You can't just take one stage of the building falling and ignore the remaining two.



The building did not fall at free fall speeds. It fell 40% slower.

It fell fell 40% slower than gravity only during stage 1 - in stage 2 it fell at free fall speed. Thus, NIST finally admitted in 2010 that yes there was free fall.

Free fall can't happen during gravitational collapse - and NIST never explains why this occurred during a "normal" collapse.

Scott McD 08-20-2011 10:47 AM

So, can i ask who knocked it down and why then?

I never get these arguments at all.

WarChild 08-20-2011 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by MediaGuy (Post 18368418)
It fell fell 40% slower than gravity only during stage 1 - in stage 2 it fell at free fall speed. Thus, NIST finally admitted in 2010 that yes there was free fall.

Free fall can't happen during gravitational collapse - and NIST never explains why this occurred during a "normal" collapse.

Okay you're totally right you blew the whole thing wide open here on GFY. Congrats man, you're super smart. I'm done arguing with you, there's no point.

Emil 08-20-2011 10:50 AM

It's so obvious that it was a controlled demolition, just look at the video...

Failed 08-20-2011 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Scott McD (Post 18368422)
So, can i ask who knocked it down and why then?

I never get these arguments at all.

Our own government. Sounds crazy right? Read this article...

http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=92662&page=1

They've planned to do it before.

bronco67 08-20-2011 10:53 AM

It's 10 years later...

Failed 08-20-2011 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by bronco67 (Post 18368439)
It's 10 years later...

Read the article of what we found out 40 years later.
http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=92662&page=1

When people stop asking questions, then we're all in trouble.

MediaGuy 08-20-2011 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Scott McD (Post 18368422)
So, can i ask who knocked it down and why then?

I never get these arguments at all.

You can ask but "proof" isn't so obvious... just follow the facts, and follow the money... but an investigation is what's needed, really.

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Originally Posted by WarChild (Post 18368427)
Okay you're totally right you blew the whole thing wide open here on GFY. Congrats man, you're super smart.

Uh... no. Apparently there's many others who first "blew the whole thing wide open" though you won't hear about it on NBC - I just posted a vid.

Quote:

Originally Posted by WarChild (Post 18368427)
I'm done arguing with you, there's no point.

So why start?? If you don't look at the facts, and tell me I'm an idiot for not believing the non-facts you believe in, why bother?

This is like this intelligent design anti-evolution bullshit they're pushing in US schools lately.

:D

theking 08-20-2011 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by porno jew (Post 18368262)
it has been explained ad nauseum, but those who just search out youtube videos to buffer their preconceptions will never see that.

You are correct..yes it has. For whatever their reason/reasons some people prefer to believe otherwise.

porno jew 08-20-2011 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Failed (Post 18368384)
"I'm right because I say so. I won't post proof. Prove me wrong."

I like your argument sir :thumbsup

no you are part of an online cult and is pointless as arguing with a moonie passing out flyers on the street.

if you want to leave the cult and need to talk about it you can email me however.

MediaGuy 08-20-2011 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by theking (Post 18368471)
You are correct..yes it has. For whatever their reason/reasons some people prefer to believe otherwise.

Quote:

Originally Posted by porno jew (Post 18368475)
no you are part of an online cult and is pointless as arguing with a moonie passing out flyers on the street.

if you want to leave the cult and need to talk about it you can email me however.

See... this is funny. Guys like you absolutely refuse to argue with facts.... you accuse people who would like to see an investigation of the worst criminal act in US history of being crazy and pointless to argue with, but you provide no facts of your own.

This is serious stuff... but you just won't consider it. Why?

:D

Failed 08-20-2011 11:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by porno jew (Post 18368475)
no you are part of an online cult and is pointless as arguing with a moonie passing out flyers on the street.

if you want to leave the cult and need to talk about it you can email me however.

It's impossible to argue with someone who doesn't present any facts to argue about.

MediaGuy 08-20-2011 11:36 AM

Anothier thing: why have we never ever revised everything we knew about building design after 9/11:

;D

PornoStar69 08-20-2011 11:55 AM

google false flag terrorism

google 1993 wtc bombing Emad Salem tape

google operation northwoods

google New World Order

dyna mo 08-20-2011 11:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MediaGuy (Post 18368235)


Forget getting into who did what - why is this aspect completely ignored? There's no back up evidence for this building collapsing because of damage or carpet fires... but there is other evidence not addressed... including evidence the government (NIST) admits but doesn't follow up on (freefall for example).

i'm all for investigating, check it out till the end of time.

but to say the nist explanation is bunk & stating it was a nano-thermite controlled demo?

pfft.

theking 08-20-2011 12:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MediaGuy (Post 18368506)
Anothier thing: why have we never ever revised everything we knew about building design after 9/11:

;D

The towers were a new structural design when they were built...and my confidence level is high that the current tower being built will not be built with the same structural design...but of course the structural designs to build a high rise are not infinite...so I seriously doubt that "everything" can be revised.

porno jew 08-20-2011 12:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MediaGuy (Post 18368487)
See... this is funny. Guys like you absolutely refuse to argue with facts.... you accuse people who would like to see an investigation of the worst criminal act in US history of being crazy and pointless to argue with, but you provide no facts of your own.

This is serious stuff... but you just won't consider it. Why?

:D

i have done it hundreds of time but it doesn't matter.

basically anything i post wont be read. and if read not understood. usually just say it's government black-ops propaganda.

you can use google. any of the so-called conspiracy facts have been debunked on dozens of sites and articles.

you are part of an online cult. nothing i say will sway you until you decide to leave it.

PornoStar69 08-20-2011 12:08 PM

Go on Youtube search for ''WTC FLASHES''

You clearly see the demolition flashes


When will you Americans wake up to the grand conspiracy

illuminati must be partying 24/7

DBS.US 08-20-2011 12:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Emil (Post 18368428)
It's so obvious that it was a controlled demolition, just look at the video...

Sheep don't watch videos :2 cents:

MediaGuy 08-20-2011 01:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 18368535)
i'm all for investigating, check it out till the end of time.

but to say the nist explanation is bunk & stating it was a nano-thermite controlled demo?

pfft.

Who here said nano-thermite? Certainly it makes more sense than gasoline-ignited office fires, but I didn't saiy that...

NIST lied, the first few times, eventually incorporating free fall, without ever explaining the fall of building 7.

Why is it more or less bunk than any other dubious statements?

Quote:

Originally Posted by theking (Post 18368540)
The towers were a new structural design when they were built...and my confidence level is high that the current tower being built will not be built with the same structural design...but of course the structural designs to build a high rise are not infinite...so I seriously doubt that "everything" can be revised.

The towers weren't new, and were in fact an improvement of past steel buildings - basically being a new standard in their class.

Post-industrial building design has been based on their same standards since the beginning, and all skyscrapers have maintained the standard - whether there were earthquakes, plane crashes, fires, etc... none have collapsed.

Suddenly for the first time, this one does... and no one has investestigated why...

Weird.

Quote:

Originally Posted by porno jew (Post 18368542)
i have done it hundreds of time but it doesn't matter.

basically anything i post wont be read. and if read not understood. usually just say it's government black-ops propaganda.

you can use google. any of the so-called conspiracy facts have been debunked on dozens of sites and articles.

you are part of an online cult. nothing i say will sway you until you decide to leave it.

Really...

So you like a million conspiracy freaks believe anything you google?

Nothing's been debunked. Popular Mechanics has especially been de-bunked, and with hilarity.

Instead of taking the time to post all that, why didn't you just state some facts? Post some links to what you think is "true"?

Anything you post will be read by me; if factual, certainly understood; absolutely not referred to anything "black ops" oriented... unless it verifiably is.

Everybody I know who says they've argued all this in the past, and researched all the google debunking links, have invariably been wrong or found to be unfounded - in other words, they saw the links, headlines, and believe whatever they were proclaiming without actually reading the articles or following the facts... just going on "faith" (in the media?) in other words...

Most people I know who disbelieve the 9/11 government story have at least done some actual research...

:D

dyna mo 08-20-2011 01:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MediaGuy (Post 18368667)
Who here said nano-thermite? Certainly it makes more sense than gasoline-ignited office fires, but I didn't saiy that...


then you did not even watch your own video that you posted.


a large section in the video was about nano-thermite being the explosive compound used in wtc7

Ron Bennett 08-20-2011 01:34 PM

Did people see explosives being placed all throughout the lower levels of the building? Surely some credible witnesses would have seen something and spoken up by now? ... have any?

Not to say it didn't happen, because there some are some plausible reasons for the government to blowup the building to better conceal what it contained; as a cover to sneak out sensitive materials.

But often the simplest explanation is the correct one ... many people put more faith into modern construction than they should - buildings in recent times are built with the strictest economy leading to minimal structural tolerances compared to older ones...

Back in the old days (prior to the mid 20th century; ie. Empire State Building), due to lack of time to calculate every possible load distribution along with far more reliance on empirical knowledge, buildings tended to be over-engineered (though not always, but often more than not) - among the best examples are many railroad structures, that with minimal maintenance, are still in use, and in excellent shape, 100+ years later.

I don't recall whether #7 was box construction or tube construction ... if it was tube, that alone explains much of the reason it fell. However, if it was box construction, then it would be highly helpful to know the number of columns and their thicknesses, and type, of the steel used, plus the types of connections used, in making a determination whether fire and damage from flying debris alone brought it down or if there was something more involved.

Ron

MediaGuy 08-20-2011 01:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 18368683)
then you did not even watch your own video that you posted.


a large section in the video was about nano-thermite being the explosive compound used in wtc7

I wasn't addressing that at all, and didn't state anything about what was actually found in the dust samples... or what the evidence pointed to.

I did say that importance evidence was ignored (nano-thermite included I guess) and that free fall was a basic fact denied and finally admitted by NIST.

:)

porno jew 08-20-2011 01:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 18368683)
then you did not even watch your own video that you posted.


pretty much why i said above it is pointless to even enter these discussions. they don't even correctly watch their own articles and videos so the chance they will review your facts is pretty much nil.

porno jew 08-20-2011 01:46 PM

i have researched it inside and out from day one and wanted to believe. i found the evidence of a conspiracy very lacking.

basically the whole world view is a bricolage of half-truths, misunderstood facts, distorted facts, misreported facts, bias, disinformation, and outright lies generally pushed by people who stand to cash in from it, are ex-cops, military, cia or fbi or just have a history of mental issues. some are just very slow individuals.

not really worth ones time in the end.

Quote:

Originally Posted by MediaGuy (Post 18368667)
Who here said nano-thermite? Certainly it makes more sense than gasoline-ignited office fires, but I didn't saiy that...

NIST lied, the first few times, eventually incorporating free fall, without ever explaining the fall of building 7.

Why is it more or less bunk than any other dubious statements?



The towers weren't new, and were in fact an improvement of past steel buildings - basically being a new standard in their class.

Post-industrial building design has been based on their same standards since the beginning, and all skyscrapers have maintained the standard - whether there were earthquakes, plane crashes, fires, etc... none have collapsed.

Suddenly for the first time, this one does... and no one has investestigated why...

Weird.



Really...

So you like a million conspiracy freaks believe anything you google?

Nothing's been debunked. Popular Mechanics has especially been de-bunked, and with hilarity.

Instead of taking the time to post all that, why didn't you just state some facts? Post some links to what you think is "true"?

Anything you post will be read by me; if factual, certainly understood; absolutely not referred to anything "black ops" oriented... unless it verifiably is.

Everybody I know who says they've argued all this in the past, and researched all the google debunking links, have invariably been wrong or found to be unfounded - in other words, they saw the links, headlines, and believe whatever they were proclaiming without actually reading the articles or following the facts... just going on "faith" (in the media?) in other words...

Most people I know who disbelieve the 9/11 government story have at least done some actual research...

:D



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